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Hi! Sorry to bother you if this question is obnoxious. Are there any pro-ship friendly rottmnt discord servers and how could I find them? I really want to join a community that's preferably 18+ but all the public ones I see are anti.
so, not sure why you sent this my way, considering this blog is, uh. dead. but also, i don't think i've ever posted about ROTMNT?
so like. 'unno. i'm posting this, simply so maybe some people can see it and reach out to you about it, but like. yeah, i dunno mate.
it’s honestly so gross and vile when a person reblogs a post happily or casually using the word queer and tags it with the ‘q slur’
like little respect do you have for other people? how little can you possible care for other?
how self-entitled are you, to think that’s okay?
> Proship/”anti anti”
> Inclusionist
Idk queen, how deranged are you that you think people not liking incest porn is an issue? And how self entitled are you to appropriate a slur that’s never once been used against you? And to invade an entire community that keeps saying they don’t fucking want you, might I add.
Idk OP, have you considered that there are people who are triggered by the word no matter the context used?
So out of respect and care for those people, people tag it whenever it comes up, no matter the context?
How self-entitled are you to think that everyone is okay with a slur being used?
Like it or not there are people who have traumatic experiences tied to the word. There are people who have been called “queer” in a derogatory way. There are people who find being called “odd, peculiar, deviating from the normal” for something about themselves which is perfectly normal offensive. It is incredibly selfish to act like tagging “q slur” is about you and not them.
Get over yourself.
lmao you two literally hate trans people for no reason, why the fuck should i give two shits about your trash opinion?
how about you get over yourself fuckhead <3
literally just logged back in to tell all of you that this blog is like. pretty dead? and it likely won’t ever come back?
so uh. anti rhetoric is harmful, anti-anti/pro-ship does not mean pedophile, asexual and aromantic people are inherently LGBT+, the hatred against the q word stems almost entirely from terf rhetoric (but people who’re uncomfortable with it because they’ve had it used against them are valid), fuck transphobes, bi/pan solidarity, and wash your hands and wear a mask!
Drawn/written CP of Fictional characters doesn't exist and you need to quit encouraging teenagers to trust random strangers online.
First of all, what is child pornography? Well, it's an outdated term that, in the broadest sense, means any picture/video of a real life child in sexually explicit act/pose/position.
Why is that term outdated? Because the term pornography means that the person depicted can consent— which children cannot, so the proper term to be used when calling something CP, should actually be CSEM. Child Sex Exploitation Material.
Now what is Child Sex Exploitation Material? It's child porn! It is the exploitation of a child who cannot consent to sexual activities into taking pictures/videos either by force or coercion, as no matter what, a child cannot willingly consent to those sex acts. Even if they were manipulated or drugged, no matter what they say, they COULD NEVER consent, and that is the sex exploitation part of the term.
CSEM is a correct term to refer to CP, and it requires an actual child to exploit and harm sexually.
Now let's look at fictional characters, more importantly, explicitly stated in canon or by the fanartist that they are under 18 fictional characters. Can they be exploited? No. They have no human rights, they have no feelings, actually, they can't consent to anything, regardless if it's fluff or sex, as they're unable to consent or even not consent. Because well, they can't speak, they can't think, everything they are is inside your head.
"I kin this character, so porn of them is porn of me, who's also a minor!"
That sounds like a personal problem that you should see therapy about. Porn of Fictional characters is gonna exist whether you like it or not. I literally saw a post on Instagram comparing the amount of Lisa Simpson (underage child) porn to Lisa Lisa (legal MILF) and the underage child had like 7k more images, on Rule34 alone. It's inevitable that if it exists, there will be porn of it, yes, even for character's who were made before you were even born.
"but it will be used to groom children!"
Groomers will use anything to groom, it can be porn, it can be fluff, it came be suggestive, it can be real or Fictional, but blaming the fiction for existing is directly taking blame off of the predator who grooms, take the groomer responsible first. And reminder, when Antis talk about "art being used to groom", they most likely mean that Jojo anime character who's 15 in canon but looks like he's 35. Why would a pedophile age up a character to look older, btw? Shouldn't they be the ones aging DOWN characters to make them look younger?
"Adults shove it in kids faces!"
No, they don't. Tumblr and Twitter are both 17+ on the app store, meant for mature teens and up. Sure you can be 13 and have an account legally, but that's because 13 is the minimum age for that website to get your consent to use your ad data (per COPPA's rules). The only major social media I'd say a 13 year old should be on nowadays is Instagram, there is where they apply heavy censorship to butts and boobs, and if they see a cock its on sight for them to delete that post. Tumblr still has NSFW fanfic (and still a decent amount of hentai tbh), and then Twitter just full on allows all NSFW. Fanfic and pictures, including real life adults. Almost all NSFW artists will put warnings and tags to help you protect yourself, so listen to them and protect yourself (and no that doesn't mean attacking them). If they forget to tag something, ask them to, if they don't, then oh well, they don't have to, and you also are not entitled to their art, they can block you just as much as you can block them.
"but it's gross! They're thinking of a fictional minor sexually!"
For one, let me just say that many artists will add the "all characters depicted as 18+"warning because while the character designs may not have changed much, they still don't want anyone thinking the characters are underage, that's for personal comfort and I understand that. Two, even when artists DO age up characters, Antis will still complain because "wahhhhhhh you were thinking of them sexually as a minor WAHHHH", when no, this is how the aging up process usually goes:
I really like this character, I'm gonna make an AU/timeline where they're a bit older because I'm older and I want to relate to them more (or hell, the aging up may even be canon, like with Jotaro), now that I've got my AU/timeline sorted out, I can add all my HCs and traits to the character to make them more in depth because the canon doesn't add as much as I want, oh well, now that's they're an adult they're probably gonna have sex, might as well write about it with my version of a character who has lots of time and effort put into making them unique and though they are the same character as the canon version, my version is my own personal interpretation and I feel comfortable sexualizing them now that they're a adult.
It's also valid to just go: I want to sex this character, but they're underage and I'm not comfortable with that, so I'm gonna age them up for my own comfort.
"but kids—"
There are no kids online. It's literally, and I mean this legally speaking, not allowed. 13 and up. Teen and up. There are no "kids", those are teenagers. ThirTEEN. If you see someone who's under 13 online, (and the account isn't run by their parents), report it. That is actually doing the thing y'all love to preach about- protecting children.
It isn't the responsibility of random adults online to take care of children, that's just encouraging real predators and pedophiles to go "I'll take care of you :) I'm a good adult I'll show you how the internet works :) you can trust me, didn't you see the post saying adults should take care of teens online? I'm an adult and I want to take care of you :)". Which is fucking creepy, why are Antis ENCOURAGING teens to forget about stranger danger? I don't know about y'all but that's a pretty good policy, especially online where anyone can lie about anything.
Can drawn CSEM exist? Yes. If it's of a real child, and indistinguishable from a child who exists in the real world.
Do fictional characters fall under that? By all means no, but there are always exceptions: if they're drawn in such a way that they look like a real child who could plausibly exist (aka hyper realism), then I'd reccomend you report it. (If the art is sexual at least, hyper realism isn't inherently bad, it's only bad when you use that to sexualize characters in a way that makes them look like they're real kids.) In some places though, things like that are legal, so it's best to report it and then block, if you share that content (even censored) you yourself may also get into legal trouble should it be against the law.
So, TLDR: Fictional characters cannot be exploited for porn of themselves, and it's up to you to block (and possibly report it). Do not share the content with anyone, especially if you think it may be violating the law. Even downloading it can implicate you in the crime, and sharing it (no matter how censored or warned about) can definitely get you into legal trouble should the drawing be found in violation.
I'd also like to quickly mention the hypocrisy of Antis saying "fictional character porn is CP!" And then them sharing it to their friends and followers, yes I'm looking at you Instagram flop accounts, because sharing CP/CSEM is illegal and you most likely will be fined and possibly jailed for even owning it, and sharing it? Definite jail time. Aren't y'all Antis lucky most of it turns out to not be illegal at all? If it was illegal I could report you to the FBI after all.
whats an anti anti?
very, very simplified, it’s people who’re against the anti culture that’s become very widespread these last years.
some antis will insist that anti anti’s are pro pedophilia, and this is very much NOT THE CASE.
(there’s also ‘pro incest’, but incest is. a bit more complicated, and i wouldn’t feel secure in saying every anti anti is against it, since some people hold the stance that incest, in some instances, can be okay. i don’t have an opinion on this, though)
the reason why anti anti’s are a thing, is that to us, a lot of the things antis stand for is very unhealthy and damaging! so anti anti became a thing, specifically because people would disagree with those stances, and would talk out against it, and such.
some anti anti’s are also pro shippers- i’m not sure if every anti anti is one, though! a pro shipper is basically just someone who thinks shipping, no matter what, is an okay thing. this includes problematic ships; not every pro shipper ships these things (i don’t!), but all of them understand that shipping is very much fictional, and therefore does not directly effect reality to a harmful extend.
i think a good way to understand the anti anti stance, is to simply look through the tag! you don’t have to agree with everything, but listening to people’s opinion is always a good idea, even if you don’t agree. it helps you form your own opinions, and have a more rounded take on stuff.
this is more of a vent than anything else, so do keep that in mind!
so anyway, i found this twitter tag that had been going around a while back, and i’m not gonna say the exact tag, just in case, but basically people were telling their stories about how A Piece of Media got them abused.
and it’s. really frustrating, seeing people blame their trauma- their abuse- on a drawing. and, worse, on the artists who very likely had nothing to do with the abuse.
it was this whole thing, wherein instead of it being about how abusers used said drawings to groom, it felt more like them saying that the drawings themselves made them get abused? it wasn’t about how vile abusers are, about how they’ll use anything to get to young people, but instead about how The Drawings were the driving force behind them getting groomed.
and just. that’s really gross? and it frustrates me, and completely makes me lose any sympathy beside a ‘that sucks that happened to you’, because like. i can’t really feel for people who outright say that anti antis are at the fault of people getting abused, you know?
i think there is definitely a ‘middle ground’, but the thing is- we’re mostly already there? people who draw and write these things need to tag them, needs to put them in a place where kids can’t stumble upon them without meaning to- and that’s already mostly the case! but antis doesn’t care about safety- they care about ‘winning’, and about completely eradicating this ‘gross hobby’, which is bonkers. stuff like this has been around for... forever, really? and it won’t go away. it shouldn’t go away.
treating stuff like this as inherently evil is doing nothing but hurt people- which includes kids, by the way. kids who find themselves attracted to these kind of scenarios as they grow up, who might have some ‘bad’ kink- and then get it into their head that because they have this kink, or this Thing they like in fiction, they’re bad and gross and evil- which isn’t the case at all. finding ‘bad’ fiction appealing is normal. having a rape kink is normal. thinking incest is fun in fiction is fucking normal.
the solution isn’t to hide these things, or to censor them, or to ‘get them gone’- it’s to teach kids how grooming looks, how abuse can manifest, how to peg it when someone is trying to do these things. telling kids nothing about sex does nothing but hurt the child.
it would be nice if we lived in a world wherein we didn’t have to do that. wherein kids were safe, no matter what. but we don’t.
we don’t live in a world wherein predators and abusers don’t exist. they do. bad people exist.
and people who write problematic stuff- who draw this ‘bad stuff’- isn’t at fault of that. no one is, except for the people who do these things.
and i’m tired of antis saying that isn’t true.
Hey uh,,, fiction does effect reality??? Like- MAPS seeing people draw pedophilia ships think that thier attraction to literal child is okay. Same thing with abusive relationships, you're normalizing it and its not okay,,,ur a chill person doe,,,
first of, thanks for actually being like. a nice, calm person about this ask! like, seriously- that’s nice, and i appreciate it!
secondly, not to be blunt, but if a piece of fiction, on the internet, can make a pedophile think their attraction to literal children is okay, then they were already a lost cause. (and they were probably already neck-deeps in groups that echo the sentiment)
fiction does effect reality, yes. but not to how antis claim- fiction can’t make a person believe/think something they weren’t already thinking. the reason predators can do this, is that they’re manipulating the child into believing/thinking these things. if a child, who their whole life had been told that incest was wrong, stumbled upon a piece of fiction centered around a happy, incestuous couple- would that then, just like that, change their mind? make them genuinely think that real life incest is okay? with no outside influence?
i don’t think so.
children being ‘groomed’ by fiction isn’t actually being groomed by fiction- they’re being groomed by a predator, who’re using these pieces of fiction to do so.
which is absolutely wrong, and vile, and should not happen- but the solution isn’t to eradicate all problematic fiction. it’s to teach children about stuff like that, to teach them about how a person talking to you like that Isn’t Okay, no matter what- it’s to teach them about the world, because the internet isn’t somehow safer or cleaner than reality. and if they’re too young to be taught that, then they have no business being on the internet in the first place.
and i’m not saying kids are to blame, because they aren’t. but maybe if kids understood (i.e, were explained) the way stuff like this manifests, they would be able to spot it before it happens.
which is, honestly, a whole ‘nother conversation, which someone did a good post on here.
at the end, let me put it like this: if someone where to break into your house, and then accidentally cut themself on a kitchen knife you had in a drawer- would it be fair for you to get blamed for that?
if you’re an anti, and you’re reading this- please be open to anti anti’s arguments. i’m not saying you have to switch sides, or believe what we’re saying, i’m just begging you to please listen. to think about it, critically. don’t just shut arguments out; listen to them, think about them, and then decide what to do from there.
also hi, i’m not dead, i’ve just been off doing my own thing, chilling, vibing. i’ll probably still not be super active, since Current Events has kind of. lowered my tolerance for discourse? and also i feel bad about not answering asks, or just picking One to answer and not the rest so i’m just Not Answering At All.
so anyway, take care of yourself! remember that it’s okay to not engage in discourse if you’re stressed. you don’t owe anyone anything, and you gotta put yourself FIRST. so take care, wash your hands, wear a mask, and remember: it’ll be okay.
i think it’s Very Very funny that, of all the shows for antis to flock to, it’s Rise Of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
another version of TMNT, which is, and always has been, absolutely full of incest shippers.
like that’s straight up the funniest thing, and it’s even funnier because wow, surprise- some of the people working on said show do, indeed, ship these characters who’ve been shipped for literally forever.
like, really. what did they expect? a huge, GIANT, part of the TMNT fandom ships tcest, and a new version isn’t gonna change that- if anything, i’m pretty sure ROTTMNT’s versions of the turtles just gave shippers way more fodder.
TMNT will always have a huge following of tcest shippers. and honestly? good.
some dude with the LITERAL USERNAME ‘karlmaxsexslave’ just tried to tell me that ‘when it’s p*dohilic ships then it’s fucking weird and says a lot abt pples fanties’ lIKE MY DUDE
DO YOU NOT REALISE WHAT YOUR USERNAME IS
putting aside the fact that people have NO control over what gets them going, ships are? literally not exclusively a sex thing? like why does antis CONSTANTLY assume that every problematic ship is only there for the sexy times, when almost ALL THE TIME, that’s not the case? like yeah, a lot of the time it’s a huge part, but just as often it’s secondary to characterization and plot, and just
IT’S FICTIONAL. IT MEANS LITERALLY NOTHING?
i love gore and violence, but i would NEVER get into a fight, not even for fun- and yet when it comes to fiction, my favourite thing ever is to watch characters fight and get beaten up. why is it any difference for kinks?
why does it matter what sexual situation gets a person going, as long as they keep it between themself, the internet, and maybe a consenting partner?
(and if even one person tries to bring up ‘but what about P*DOPHILES i will scream, p*dophilia isn’t a kink it’s a MENTAL DISORDER)
Reblog if you believe real children’s abuse shouldn’t be compared to fictional drawings and stories
Reblog if you believe abusers should be held accountable for abuse and not have the excuse that they thought it was ok because fiction
this just in! fictional characters are not real, and literally do not have any rights.
writing smut about a fictional characters - even if it’s in a problematic capacity- is not illegal, is not wrong, because they’re not REAL.
you cannot harm fictional characters. you cannot violate their rights and constent. they do not exist.
and the reason why it still matters when it come to diversity, is that it’s not ABOUT the characters then- it’s about real people.
it’s not the same. it’s not even close to being the same.
you saying that writing smut, or shipping characters together, is wrong, is the same as saying murdering characters in a game is just as bad as real life murder. which, surprise: it’s not.
it’s fine if you’re not comfortable with it, or want to see it. that’s why people tag their stuff, and put up warnings. but trying to police what other people do is a dick move.
so stop doing that, and maybe stop hunting down stuff you don’t want to see?
It sucks being hurt on by someone online when you're a kid, I myself and a bunch of other people were asked sexual questions and exposed to nsfw from an adult on discord/tumblr who also dated someone who was 12 when he was 19 and acted like she abused him to try and groom us away from believing she was a victim. I don't really know what to do because it's years later but I'm still in fear that he'll target other minors. I'm also afraid of being attacked by him or held responsible if he hurts
blanket statement that i’m OBVIOUSLY not an expert on what to do about this. or even vaguely knowledgeable- i’m just someone on the internet. and, also: fuck that dude. you, nor any of them, deserved that kind of crap- he deserves to be punished for this, and it’s very noble of you to try and speak up about it
but also. you don’t have to. i want you to understand that; it’s not your job to speak out, to prove that he did these stuff- his actions are not on your. all of this stuff is his fault. and only his.
but, if i had to offer some advice on how to handle it, i’d say maybe make a throw-away account? i’ve seen those before, and you could make an e-mail entirely for that, and then toss it when you’re done. alternatively, you can give the evidence to someone else- like a big blog- and they could post it for you.
also, the fact that he tried to convince you that he was the victime really speaks volume, and i’d definitely not trust him- abusers manipulate. they make you feel bad for them, or twist the facts, and honestly, him trying to say he’s the victim sounds like he hasn’t changed at all.
i’m not sure what else to say, so i hope this in any helped? and i apologize if this took a while to answer! i have not been looking at this blog for a while.
anyway, keep safe. put yourself first. you’re the most important person in your own life, and whatever you decide, remember that- i hope you’ll be okay.
if i see one more anti saying ‘aging up a character to write smut is GROSS!’ i’m gonna lose my entire fucking mind
okay let me make an actual post, because i’m looking up more and more stuff-
i get being kinda iffy about this, and feeling weirded out, and uncomfortable. that’s understandable, and valid. but here’s the thing:
it’s fictional.
the turtles aren’t real. they’re not actual teenagers. they’re not real. if some people wanna draw smut of two brothers, then guess what- they can DO THAT. no one is getting hurt.
they even made sure it was PRIVATE. that it was kept out of the way, so people wouldn’t find it- they were doing EVERYTHING they should, and all of you finding it, and airing it out and showing it to NUMEROUS PEOPLE? you’re in the wrong here.
and all of you people saying they should get fired, that they should lose their jobs over this- you’re acting like a petulant, selfish, brat. this is someone’s living. just because you’re uncomfortable with the lines they’re drawing, doesn’t mean you get to decide that, actually, they’re disgusting and vile and shouldn’t be able to feed themselves.
it’s understandable if you’re uncomfortable, if you want to drop the show. but these people? they aren’t in the wrong here. they posted their art privately- they took every measure to make sure kids didn’t stumble upon it, as they SHOULD. but they’re allowed to post it. they’re allowed to talk about it.
you don’t own the internet.
and fictional content cannot, and will never, make the real life counterparts okay.
we stan the tcest animators with these powerful braincells