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[zobe101]

People have been debating for a while about Marinette's decision to not tell Adrien the truth. Frankly, though, I'm still wondering why a fourteen year old would decide the fate of terrorists. The job of the heroes was to track down Hawkmoth and retrieve the missing miraculous, why would they get a say in the fate of ones behind it. Especially because everyone knows they are children. No one seems to be adulting the way they should. I mean, I don't really expect Nathalie to be the best adult possible but surely she shouldn't let a teenager determine who gets to know the truth. And again: teenager. Of course Marinette is more concerned for her friends than with what would be justice.

That whole Adrien would be alone without his father and Nathalie line of thought drove me crazy too because no he wouldn't. He has his bodyguard, his friends, his bodyguard, his aunt and cousin, his bodyguard, and most importantly HIS BODYGUARD. The gorilla, who's more attentive to Adrien than his father ever was. Who actively helps him do what brings him freedom and happiness even when he's disobeying his father(who really doesn't deserve to be obeyed). Who is the only person in Agreste Mansion not leading a double life. That guy?? Way more qualified to take care of Adrien. Gabriel just doesn't want to trust his son to someone who doesn't know his secrets.

Gabriel's last act of assholery was making Marinette think she owned him his dying wish. He doesn't get to decide how Adrien remembers him

[generalluxun]

Marinette is not 'a teenager' she is the protagonist. She has protagonist powers in the narrative quite often. Were you complaining when she was given the miraculous in the first place? Did you grumble that 'This show is lame who gives a teenager magical artifacts'? Did you say 'Guh she doesn't deserve to be in charge of the Miraculous, she's a teenager!' Did you side with Su Han when he wanted to take them away from her? Did you gripe about how weird it was a famous fashion designer decided to host some random baker's daughter's school project in a fashion show? Or when a famous Rockstar decided she was the EXACT person to design for him? Or any of the many other things that a protagonist does in a show?

I'm guessing not, and that is fine. She's the protagonist. She gets the perks, but then she also has to do the work. In this case the work is being the hero not just punching but *doing the right thing*. Gabriel was Hawkmoth. Gabriel is dead. Gabriel was Adrien's father. Adrien is a sentimonster. Marinette is one of a select few who know all these things. Among them she is the only primary character. so the duty falls to her, narratively. She is Ladybug. Nathalie spoke against the lie. Ladybug overrode her. Kagami spoke against the lie. Ladybug overrode her.

Marinette makes the statement of complete ownership of this plot in the London Special:

Bug Noire: Ladybug knows. Ladybug holds the truth. The whole world will know only what Ladybug will tell it. Her words will be the truth.

There's no gray area there. This is *her* lie to carry out or correct. Narratively there are two ways this goes down:

1)She confesses and faces some sort of minor blowback(because it has been so long)

2)She doesn't confess, but because others(including Lila) know aspects of the truth someone else uses her failure to do so as a weapon against her. Most likely Lila if they go that route.

There's no other remotely satisfying narrative outcome at this point. That's just how stories work. There's no need to wonder. It's writing.

If you want to complain that it's bad writing, well, I won't argue with you there. I've said for a while the Big Lie should never have been done, or should have been a quick fix(like Truth/Lies) at the beginning of S6. Dragging it this long has only given it a lot of narrative weight and made Marinette look... awful. They're trying to draw parallels between Marinette and Gabriel because someone in the writing room read you do that somewhere. They're also re-enacting the Peter Parker/Harry Osborne arc from Spiderman, but without taking into account all the ways the two are VERY DIFFERENT that make it just not work.

Marinette does deserve better, but not in a 'Poor Teenager carrying the burden' way. She's a protagonist, that's what she does. She deserves better in a 'Let the protagonist be the protagonist, not the antagonist in her own show' way. S6 Chrysalis is barely a presence. The major tension is the Big Lie, and Marinette is *not* the hero in that story.

She deserves to be allowed to be the hero in the show named after her.

[zobe101]

@generalluxun I'm well aware of why it happened narratively. I'm not criticizing the writing, I've always thought it was good and gets stronger every season. I'm just saying that in real life there probably would have been a lot of people mad that Monarch never saw real justice, that they had made to entrust the safety of Paris to two people whose brains aren't fully developed. I hadn't even seen season 6 when I wrote this. I was just processing the London special. And her being the protagonist and objectively the best person to carry the weight of a burden doesn't negate the trauma it causes her

[generalluxun]

It's... not real life? It's a story. She's the protagonist, that doesn't mean she's the *objectively best* person to carry the weight. It means it's her *narrative* job to carry the weight. She's proven handily in S6 that she's definitely not the best person to carry the weight. She's rejected the help of everyone around her. She's abused the Miraculous to actively further the lie. She's ignored Adrien's own words on the topic. This is not something Marinette is good at, yet the writers simply will *not* let her do the right thing and let go of the reins. The future plot will reveal if/how this failure impacts things going forward.***

It's definitely not a narrative choice I would have made for her story.

*** It's very weird. S3 had Marinette fail- and Fu lost his memory for it. S4 had her fail, and they lost all but 2 Miraculous for it. S5 had her fail and the Wish was made because of it. I do *not* understand the writing room's obsession with having her fail so relentlessly. The S2 finale, her last unmitigated Win in at the end of a season was in 2018! The girl is long overdue for a W on the scorecard! (This is the kind of thing that fuels the 'the writers hate Marinette!' folks)

[zobe101]

@generalluxun I meant the weight of being Ladybug. She should never have lied to Adrien but that's the entire point of season 6 I imagine. She's panicking because she's not ready to admit she messed up. Do people really think the writers hate Marinette? She's clearly the favorite. But you're right about it being a long time since her last real win. I figured that's why her anxiety is getting worse

[zobe101]

People have been debating for a while about Marinette's decision to not tell Adrien the truth. Frankly, though, I'm still wondering why a fourteen year old would decide the fate of terrorists. The job of the heroes was to track down Hawkmoth and retrieve the missing miraculous, why would they get a say in the fate of ones behind it. Especially because everyone knows they are children. No one seems to be adulting the way they should. I mean, I don't really expect Nathalie to be the best adult possible but surely she shouldn't let a teenager determine who gets to know the truth. And again: teenager. Of course Marinette is more concerned for her friends than with what would be justice.

That whole Adrien would be alone without his father and Nathalie line of thought drove me crazy too because no he wouldn't. He has his bodyguard, his friends, his bodyguard, his aunt and cousin, his bodyguard, and most importantly HIS BODYGUARD. The gorilla, who's more attentive to Adrien than his father ever was. Who actively helps him do what brings him freedom and happiness even when he's disobeying his father(who really doesn't deserve to be obeyed). Who is the only person in Agreste Mansion not leading a double life. That guy?? Way more qualified to take care of Adrien. Gabriel just doesn't want to trust his son to someone who doesn't know his secrets.

Gabriel's last act of assholery was making Marinette think she owned him his dying wish. He doesn't get to decide how Adrien remembers him

[generalluxun]

Marinette is not 'a teenager' she is the protagonist. She has protagonist powers in the narrative quite often. Were you complaining when she was given the miraculous in the first place? Did you grumble that 'This show is lame who gives a teenager magical artifacts'? Did you say 'Guh she doesn't deserve to be in charge of the Miraculous, she's a teenager!' Did you side with Su Han when he wanted to take them away from her? Did you gripe about how weird it was a famous fashion designer decided to host some random baker's daughter's school project in a fashion show? Or when a famous Rockstar decided she was the EXACT person to design for him? Or any of the many other things that a protagonist does in a show?

I'm guessing not, and that is fine. She's the protagonist. She gets the perks, but then she also has to do the work. In this case the work is being the hero not just punching but *doing the right thing*. Gabriel was Hawkmoth. Gabriel is dead. Gabriel was Adrien's father. Adrien is a sentimonster. Marinette is one of a select few who know all these things. Among them she is the only primary character. so the duty falls to her, narratively. She is Ladybug. Nathalie spoke against the lie. Ladybug overrode her. Kagami spoke against the lie. Ladybug overrode her.

Marinette makes the statement of complete ownership of this plot in the London Special:

Bug Noire: Ladybug knows. Ladybug holds the truth. The whole world will know only what Ladybug will tell it. Her words will be the truth.

There's no gray area there. This is *her* lie to carry out or correct. Narratively there are two ways this goes down:

1)She confesses and faces some sort of minor blowback(because it has been so long)

2)She doesn't confess, but because others(including Lila) know aspects of the truth someone else uses her failure to do so as a weapon against her. Most likely Lila if they go that route.

There's no other remotely satisfying narrative outcome at this point. That's just how stories work. There's no need to wonder. It's writing.

If you want to complain that it's bad writing, well, I won't argue with you there. I've said for a while the Big Lie should never have been done, or should have been a quick fix(like Truth/Lies) at the beginning of S6. Dragging it this long has only given it a lot of narrative weight and made Marinette look... awful. They're trying to draw parallels between Marinette and Gabriel because someone in the writing room read you do that somewhere. They're also re-enacting the Peter Parker/Harry Osborne arc from Spiderman, but without taking into account all the ways the two are VERY DIFFERENT that make it just not work.

Marinette does deserve better, but not in a 'Poor Teenager carrying the burden' way. She's a protagonist, that's what she does. She deserves better in a 'Let the protagonist be the protagonist, not the antagonist in her own show' way. S6 Chrysalis is barely a presence. The major tension is the Big Lie, and Marinette is *not* the hero in that story.

She deserves to be allowed to be the hero in the show named after her.

[zobe101]

@generalluxun I'm well aware of why it happened narratively. I'm not criticizing the writing, I've always thought it was good and gets stronger every season. I'm just saying that in real life there probably would have been a lot of people mad that Monarch never saw real justice, that they had made to entrust the safety of Paris to two people whose brains aren't fully developed. I hadn't even seen season 6 when I wrote this. I was just processing the London special. And her being the protagonist and objectively the best person to carry the weight of a burden doesn't negate the trauma it causes her

[zobe101]

I need an El Toro de Piedra AU post-reveal where most of the world still doesn't know who Monarch was because Adrien didn't want to ruin his family legacy but was willing to take the L as Chat Noir so they told everyone Monarch was Chat Noir's father.

Just because I really want the scene between Ladybug and Ivan spiraling about whether the son of a supervillain could be a superhero but with Ladybug calling Chat Noir as someone who knows the feeling. Ivan and Adrien deserve to commiserate together about wishing their father would just be their dad and not a villain

[zobe101]

People have been debating for a while about Marinette's decision to not tell Adrien the truth. Frankly, though, I'm still wondering why a fourteen year old would decide the fate of terrorists. The job of the heroes was to track down Hawkmoth and retrieve the missing miraculous, why would they get a say in the fate of ones behind it. Especially because everyone knows they are children. No one seems to be adulting the way they should. I mean, I don't really expect Nathalie to be the best adult possible but surely she shouldn't let a teenager determine who gets to know the truth. And again: teenager. Of course Marinette is more concerned for her friends than with what would be justice.

That whole Adrien would be alone without his father and Nathalie line of thought drove me crazy too because no he wouldn't. He has his bodyguard, his friends, his bodyguard, his aunt and cousin, his bodyguard, and most importantly HIS BODYGUARD. The gorilla, who's more attentive to Adrien than his father ever was. Who actively helps him do what brings him freedom and happiness even when he's disobeying his father(who really doesn't deserve to be obeyed). Who is the only person in Agreste Mansion not leading a double life. That guy?? Way more qualified to take care of Adrien. Gabriel just doesn't want to trust his son to someone who doesn't know his secrets.

Gabriel's last act of assholery was making Marinette think she owned him his dying wish. He doesn't get to decide how Adrien remembers him

[jmgangel]

What if I said Gabriel not wanting Adrien to know he was Hawkmoth was him taking away Adrien’s autonomy one last time. Even if he had good intentions, he once again ripped away Adrien’s chance to have a real choice in order to keep him “safe.”

[huntrixi]

Marinette cutting her hair like how her childhood was cut from her. She no longer feels connected to the girl in pigtails and she feels like a drastic change will somehow make her feel whole again.

Adrien growing his hair out and letting it become messy for some semblance of control over his own life and the strict expectations that were put onto him as a child, trying desperately to recognise himself in the mirror.

Anyway this is why pixie cut Marinette and long hair Adrien is real and true ☝️

[zobe101]

Does anyone else still wonder what kind of crack Alya and Nino had to be smoking when Adrien finally told them he knows Lila's a liar. Because what do you mean they sound like a proper couple now?? What the fuck is romantic about saying our classmate is pathological liar and master manipulator???? Genuinely what were they thinking?

[zobe101]

I thought of a really funny crack treated seriously scenario earlier today. Basically Marinette was already dating a guy when the Origins episodes happened. She is starting to get really sick of him, a fact Adrien doesn't know at first. He's wallowing about Ladybug, the most incredible girl he's ever met, being taken. But one day, Ladybug shows up to the battle and immediately goes, "Can you two hang on a second? I need to break up with my boyfriend." Chat Noir and the Akuma are just like 😳"What now?" But Ladybug is on the phone breaking up with the dude by way of 'Bills Bills Bills by Destiny's Child' The Akuma is dumbfounded. Hawkmoth doesn't even know how to process what's happening. Chat Noir is shaking from holding in laughter while silently thanking the heavens that this guy is foolish enough to fumble the relationship this badly. He promises himself when enough time has passed that it doesn't feel like a rebound, he'll show her how a true gentleman treats a lady. When she's done she turns to Chat Noir, whose lip is trembling in his attempts not to laugh out loud, and he asks, "All set?" She agrees "All set." And they proceed to beat the Akuma.

[blissylgnorance]

I know yall really like the fur, but let’s spice it up a bit! As a result, I limited the options to two choices.

The one chosen will be the design I’ll build upon! (Which means I’ll make alterations to improve it but I’ll use the design as a base)

SCROLL DOWN TO SEE THE OPTIONS AND THEIR NAMES‼️

Option 2

Option 3

Voting ended onApr 29

[zobe101]

These are so elegant

[zobe101]

Me watching The Owl House series finale

Amity: Think about it. What's the first thing you do when you wake up from a bad dream?

Me, whose lamp has never been close enough to my bed to be grabbed without getting up: Hyperventilate? Wonder why my subconscious is torturing me?

Amity: You turn on the light

Me, who even as a kid found my mom in the dark: .....What?

[zobe101]

Gravity Falls Fanfic Writing Prompt Idea I Had

The prompt is to write Ford's reaction to this. How and when he finds out is up to you. You can also rearrange the story if it helps yours flow better.

Ten-year-old Stanley Pines calmly walked down the school hallway and to his brother’s locker. “Aha!” he said to himself while his hand closed around what he’d been searching for. “Here’s the nerd book Sixer wanted.” Closing the locker door, he started to make his way back towards the library when an unpleasantly familiar voice called out, “Well, well, well, if it isn’t the little genius’ lapdog. Where’s your owner, buddy? I hear useless mutts get lost when off their leesh.”

Jonathan Dounter was a jerk. There was no way around it. He’d spent a truly an exhaustive amount of his spare time bothering Stan. Top 5 in the class with parents who held high status to the school, every adult swore he was an angel. When said adults and Stan’s twin were around, he called Stanley SP so people who didn’t know assumed he was saying his initials and not what it truly stood for: Spare parts. Ford wasn’t aware of any of it. Stan didn’t want to tell him and Jonathan desperately wanted to be his friend despite the boy thinking he’d never possessed a functioning brain cell a day in his life and convinced his parents had bought his top scores. They had gone on like this for years.

Laughter echoed through the hallway as Stan grit his teeth. “Piss off Dounter. I don’t have time for your stupidity.” he snarled. “My stupidity? Oh please, Pines. We all know you’re nothing but spare parts.” the bully boasted, shoving Stan back. The crowd of children erupted into hysterics, chanting “Spare parts, Spare parts, Spare parts.” The sound banged around Stanley’s skull as he pushed past the crowd and ran.

The only other thing I wanted to add is that if Ford doesn't find out earlier, I think this guy would make the West Coast Tech situation worse by asking Stan if he's not worried about Ford realizing how useless he is after four years away from home before Stan breaks the machine.

[austerity-audacity-asceticism]

from Canticle – Daniel 3:57-88, 56

2017 solar eclipse // ring-shaped clouds around the nebula RCW 120 // nature photography form various artists // women from the Huerto brotherhood wait inside a church to take part in a procession during Holy Week in Ronda, Spain // members of the "Los Estudiantes" brotherhood burn incense during a Palm Sunday procession in Madrid, Spain // statue bearers carry a statue depicting the Crucifixion during a Holy Week procession in Ghaxaq, Malta // Samuel van Hoogstraten - Resurrection of Christ - 1969.110 - Art Institute of Chicago

[voiceforjesus]

Wishing you and your loved ones a happy Easter, may God bless your heart ❤️

[overclassy]

[zobe101]

These are stunning

[dimonds456-art]

Hello! 👋 I came across your infinity falls comic and really like your crossover. I wanted to ask you something because I only recently watched gravity falls for the first time and as someone new to the fandom I want to know what you think. I saw the Lost Legends comic stories and the idea has been my mind ever since. Do you think Stanford knew that Stanley wanted to be a comic book artist/writer when they were little? Because little Ford is asleep in the flashback frame and I want to believe that he wouldn't have let Stan give up his dream because a few publishers said no. No one makes their masterpiece at ten. And sometimes I get the impression that Stanford isn't aware Stanley has ever wanted anything more than adventures with him. Reading the crossover made me think of it so I was curious as to your opinion.

It is an interesting question. I think Ford knew about Stan's affinity for comics and comic making, but I don't think he knew that Stan wanted to publish. That seems like something Stan had wanted to surprise everyone with, especially because he thinks his dad hates him and could very well be afraid other people do, too.

When Filbrick is yelling at Stan and goes "all you've ever done is lie, and cheat, and ride on your brother's coattails," it sounds like this is not the first time he's expressed a sentiment like that. So if Filbrick had already told Stan that by the time that flashback takes place, it could very well have been Stan trying to prove himself to him. But it didn't work out. It never does.

So, in shame, he didn't tell Ford. Because what's the point of sharing the surprise with him when the surprise was never gonna happen?

[zobe101]

So I'm back on my reaction fic BS. This time with Gravity Falls on the brain.

I keep thinking about the teenaged (say 15-16) stan twins and how them seeing the show would change things.

Like them just being dropped off in a mini home theater with a note that says something along the lines of "We're making you watch a cartoon about future you and your niblings. Have fun! P.S. the Stan you see first is Stanley but everyone thinks it's Stanford and you won't find out why that is until halfway through season two so buckle the f up"

Ford thoroughly fascinated by this town and all its mysteries, absolutely delighted at the idea of having a great nephew who can match his brand of nerdiness while simultaneously plotting how to enthrall his great niece, who's too sweet for this world. He spends what he thinks is a truly ridiculous amount of time scolding Stan for teaching the kids his less than legal tips and tricks. All the while the worry for his twin gets louder for reasons he can't explain to himself.

Stan's just happy at the idea that they have niblings that are twins too, two peas in a pod-just like him and his Sixer. He likes getting to know the twins and the people they associate with. He's more attached than he's willing to admit to Wendy and Soos. (He's starting to get really annoyed, being scolded for things he hasn't done yet) He's not entirely sure how he feels about seeing himself that old but he's more concerned about where Ford is in the future.

Ford creating a decades-long plan on how to make their corner of the world better for Dipper and Mabel by the time they're born. Stan making a list of everyone who hurt or tried to hurt their babies and how he's going to enact vengeance.

Them seeing what is clearly Stanford's signature on the deed to the house and Stanley getting a headache as another layer gets added onto the 'Where's Ford' mystery. They'd definitely figure out who the author is before its reveal, giving Stan an even bigger headache.

Just imagine how very Not Well™ the boys would take A Tale of Two Stans. What would this Ford think of the Incident when he would have seen with his own eyes it was an accident but be forced to grapple with the fact that the version of him on-screen doesn't have that knowledge and thinks it was deliberate. Plus, he'd have to see what happened to Stan after being kicked out because despite older Stan saying he was fine the visuals don't lie to you. And I honestly feel like Stan would spend most of this episode drowning in self-loathing.

I also had the image in my head of the scene where Bill says "You're about to die and you still can't get along?" or something similar and Teen Stan not being able to hold in the most heart breaking whimper because he always thought they would be the best of friends forever but this version of their future has shattered that completely

How angry about Bill's treatment of Ford do you think a Stan who's protectiveness of him hasn't been disrupted by 40 years apart would be?

Do you think Ford would be able to handle Stan saying "Guess I was good for something after all" while his mind is actively being burned around him? Because I don't think he could.

[corndog-patrol]

grocery run?? more like grocery race >:D 🛒💨