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SPOILERS FOR WATCHING AND DREAMING LAST EPISODE OF THE OWL HOUSE AND MENTIONS OF THE ANTAGONIST'S DEATH!
And I would also like to add that this is used for transformative content purposes only. As anything that I mention is simply a theory and head canon. I would also like to add this in as well: Even if I am critical on the subject matter, I still love the idea of what possible details could be more elaborated on, hence my love for writing, reading, and room for improvement when it comes to my own.
I wonder if anyone in the boiling isles have thoroughly researched through forensics the goop soil that essentially where Emperor Belos was?
Or have at least tried to transport it back to the human world, especially if it could be fertilized and the DNA (or whatever's left of him anyways.) could trace back to him, and possibly his brother Caleb? I mean, if you think about it... that's the only closure that the Clawthorne family could have knowing that the goop belonged to one of their family members, and would answer a lot of basically forgotten, or otherwise overlooked questions. Such as:
How far have humans evolved either separately or connected to and from the boiling isles? Are they more likely to be understanding or bigoted, in what ways?
I mean it's actually quite dangerous to leave Belos out in the open like that, I mean yeah theoretically he is gone, but a lot of people could've benefitted to seeing their former Emperor, being held in a museum, or at least with his journal. Then shipped off to the human realm, the people of Graves field should also benefit from the knowledge of what actually became of Philip Wittebane. I mean with Jacob Hopkins, possibly a distant relative of the Wittebanes, I think he could also benefit by having people taking him more seriously, but also humble him in a way, that he realizes that being evil does not pay off, and is a learning curve for him in the right direction.
Now that I think about it, the Noceda's and anyone involved could be at fault for harboring such information, especially if it's THAT important the U.S Connecticut Historical society, and even the Government could get involved. Though now its property of the Noceda's, the house belonging to the Wittebanes, if a family member survived that are part of the Wittebane family.
They could take the Noceda's to court and try to repeal the ownership. So that the house belongs to them. And not only that but Luz was already feeling like an outcast in her hometown as well as thinking of staying behind in Gravesfield, possibly without Amity's knowledge?
TLDR: Return the goop, uproot the soil and check for any signs of life underground that could lead to a second uprising of the emperor. Use forensic science, to trace any DNA strands that could lead to Wittebanes bloodline. Keep Record of the diary or any echo mouse, that might've chewed and processed the information, especially if its genetic.
This post talks about dark subject matter such as suicide and getting beaten. Pls proceed with caution:
Also, much love to Grenka SD's work, I am in love with Maskit as a character!
Before the birth of Maskit both Joker and Harley, on separate occasions have had their share of beatings either by the bat family, one-time thugs, or crime bosses they crossed. For Harley it mostly involved her living remnants of her family members that wanted her dead (Hence what happened in the Harley Quinn show, spoilers for that). She owed money to her father, who blamed her for the death of both her brother Barry who unfortunately took his life, and her connections to her grandfather, who was as she put it: "more of a man, who knew when to strap down and shut up." Funnily enough her grandfather was on her mother's side of the family, who she did not approve of her father influencing her daughter Harleen. (She still refers to her "legal" name, despite the fact that Harley changed it).
Harley's mother tried repeatedly to reconnect with her daughter and try to talk some sense in her, but Harley was not having it, until one night, when her mother was heavily drunk and locked herself in the bathroom, screaming through the phone that she'll do it, she'll "leave her rotten husband, and this god forsaken world behind." Harley at the age of 19 would have to convince her mother to live for Barry, through tears, and regardless of what the event was a ditched date who was left with the bill? Didn't matter to her, nothing else did when it came down to her mother, and the absence of her father.
Harley's mother and her would grow to have a toxic, and exhausting bond, which Harley hated. Her mother always taking the blame out on her, and ignoring her for days, being shut off from the world. But with her brother Barry, she remembered mostly having to take care of him, through his infancy. And the last night she spent with her 16-year-old brother, she was comforting him. After he broke up with his girlfriend and perhaps was contemplating on his life and who he wanted to be. Someone Harley, never got to see her brother become.
That is Harley's deepest fear, if she is too far gone, would there be anyone left to know who she is? Would anyone care?
Joker on the other hand, shares this sentiment with Harley, not much is known about his past, but he is someone that will take with him to the grave, your most intimate secret, something that he holds dearly, when he remembers you fondly. Now Joker in his early years was more reckless but he quickly gained the upper hand, possibly had a few relationships here and there, but nothing that could truly stick.
Maybe he was used to staying alone and usually kept to himself if that was the case, Harley possibly wouldn't feel such a close connection to him as she did in "Two of a kind" but of course, he would perhaps learn how to slowly adapt to someone he knew that adores him.
How they manage with pain:
Joker is more prone to anger we see this with this comic panel:
Comic issue # 32 of The Batman Strikes.
He does not take kindly to those who want to destroy a piece of the Clown Prince of Crime! No! He simply won't have it happen. Now whereas to Harley dealing with pain. The only instance we saw is her becoming a frozen popsicle Comic issue # 39. Or when she was helping out Joker, taking over the Cordoodly show (or something similar to that). Comic issue #35.
There is a lot more examples, but I decided to only list those is because they're near each other and happen around the same timeline of events.
Also considering Maskit's reaction he definitely was exposed to a corpse at such a young age, so I wouldn't put it past him if it was because of Jokers doing. Also both Joker and Harley do have bonding moments where they patch each other up.
And Joker always "jokes" around with Harley asking: "So am I good Doc?"
Harley: *Showing her bandaged arm and bone fracture* Well it certainly could've been worse!
This is my head canon / AU of my own interpretation of Grenka-SD's backstory for Maskit, I am thinking in the future creating my own OC (or OC's) regarding this plotline!
As Maskit gotten older, he began to pick up mannerisms that was similar to his father, and since Harley was out of the picture (due to her getting captured). Maskit's father, The Joker, would try and ween that part of him that connected him so deeply with his mother. As Joker was VERY POSSESIVE over her. While also not realizing that every argument they had regarding his treatment of his son, Harley would spend some nights, watching over her son, and cuddle with her little one to help him sleep.
And if Joker knew about this, I believe there would be a part of him that felt remorse, that he was pushing Harley away. And maybe tried to reward her with gifts, such as a diamond necklace, (maybe with or without a spy camera, or a tracker to see her movements, or hear her talk to her son).
But if Joker didn't know about this, then Harley had EVERY RIGHT to gain full custody of her son, since her and the nannies were the ones mostly taking the most care of Maskit. And Harley did eventually create her own plushie, with a voice box of her voice, of her singing Maskit a lullaby or perhaps, she has enough knowledge to rewire the diamond necklace so she can talk to her son, however it is linked to a certain frequency that only her son can hear.
And with that, Maskit's ability to "look like his father" is actually Harley's way of tricking Joker into believing that Maskit is getting manipulated by Joker.
I like @moringmark version of Caleb leaving Philip, as opposed to the Hollow mind / originals version of Caleb leaving his brother, as it shows that Caleb is not selfish for doing so, and perhaps in Philips mind he thinks that Caleb left him when in reality, he could've killed his brother as well as Evelyn.
I honestly believe that this how Philip should've gotten his scar, not getting punched by Lilith, but by his sheer callousness when reacting to certain situations. Like this is learning curve to be more careful, as well as less reckless, and also, this should've been his realization of the alter ego he must create. That being Belos. But I was also thinking the collector as well?
For I believe that the Collector should be the other side of Belos that we don't get to see, because let's be fair here, the archivists being a "thing" was a last-minute decision on the writing for this show. As well as Belos's OBSESSION WITH GRIMWALKERS, but here is what I think, the collector could be some sort of earth figure entity, or at the very least an entity that Philip has created, in his unconscious state of mind.
Because while he is conscious, he is Belos, him and Belos are one person. But he and the collector are not, it's his clashing mental state, perhaps innocence? Regret? Loss? Paradox? Anything!!?!?! and the only way he can meet this collector, is through his seizures that I headcanoned him to have. And that collectors are physical manifestations of your separate character, something that you don't acknowledge but something that can turn itself, into a living being.... kind of. I think that would be very interesting on how that works, as well as perhaps a replacement of the grim walkers, or the reason as to why Belos is rotting, he is basically a Pietri dish, or an empty husk feeding his delusions nourishment to survive long after he does.
Joker keeps newspaper clippings of his infamous schemes.
This can apply for the other Jokers. But regarding my username, and bias Imma keep it only on the 2004 Joker. I bet he'd have his own scrapbook, like it's his magnum opus, and every page is filled TO THE BRIM with glittery, paper cutouts of tiny bats, clowns, and the newspaper clippings taking center stage, with (surprisingly neat) written explanations for each of the crimes he has committed, it's basically his diary that he only bestows on those that are close to him.
Also, he is the type of clown, to have it seasonal / holiday themed with each of the newspaper headlines, meeting a certain aesthetic or theme:
Joker has also thought of becoming his own publisher, and having his diary become his potential family's heirloom, coming of age possession to his possible future children or those he deems worthy of making the headlines!
And one last thing, if he feels nice enough, he can whip up a quick mood board, with a chosen aesthetic that he sees fit for each person he makes them for. To name a few:
The Penguin: Pengy Has a bunch of Macaroni, Emperor, or penguin o' plenty penguins, with the complimentary barrel for months' worth of fish.
Harley Quinn: Diamonds, Rubies, Black Jaspers, you name it, it's what all the girls are raving about, or at least pictures of them, with heart shaped paper clippings.
Batman: Cobwebs, darkness, a couple of bats here and there, caves, and of course a letter addressed to the Bat family. With a fun toy for the kids to enjoy!
And lastly The Riddler: Something Mysterious, something that they no one could ever guess...Something like............................Egg...(what's inside of it is the number one hardboiled question, and it could either leave you scrambling for clues or cracking the hell up, but no two questions are over easy, you really gotta think out of the carton with this one!)
I was wondering if Joker knew about Harley's pregnancy with Maskit sooner, how differently things would've turned out?
Like would he actually want Harley to keep going with the pregnancy? Would Harley wanted to keep the pregnancy knowing how Joker could be with a potential offspring(s)? I mean, for Joker to consider having a family with Harley, taking care of another living human, I don't think that child could lead a normal life. Because of their father's status with Gotham. Or their mothers who was led down the same path as the Joker, a criminal.
And since I have written an AU where Joker was affected by the vampire curse and knew of Harley's pregnancy beforehand. I don't think it would be safe for either the baby or Harley to be around Joker, if he were to catch one of his episodes. Since in my AU the vampire curse still lingers in some of its victims, depending on if they can keep it at bay, or if they need to take medication for it. If Joker is even willing to do that?
Also, I think it would call into question, Joker's true feelings towards Harley, and whether or not he would do anything to make her happy or realize that she wanted to become a mother. So here is what I think:
Joker would be happy for Harley, but also distant. He does not want any involvement in the child's life yet, at risk he could hurt it him / her. But he would wait for the little one to grow older, so that when he is ready, he can be more active. He thinks that being a passive parent is just, providing financially for the kid, and that what he does, provides financially, perhaps gift the kid a few toys. Or be sent messages on his phone of all of his little one's accomplishments, like the first time, he / she walks, talks, and so much more. I bet you he will be a very protective daddy, and boyfriend or Husband?
Also, I can see the max number of kids that Joker and Harley could have is possibly two and they be fraternal twins a boy and a girl.
The first image is a meme, though how they treated Philip / Belos was (for a lack of a better word and to put it lightly) in poor taste. ( not OP’s fault but the overall treatment of the Wittebanes as a whole, or other main characters.)
But anyways I
recently saw this on Reddit talking about the graphic novel, we better have a flip book / concept art / character sheet for each character. I think it would be interesting to have a “what would Riley do?” Type of book where you choose what the character does and you see the outcome, or you can write your own. I think that would be amazing!!!
Also the first image was created by OP as a meme, but I censored their name, and gave up my Reddit handle instead.
But other than that I honestly hope that they AT LEAST try to be impartial to those who want that, and not try to half ass it or dodge it, when it comes to the Wittebanes or other male characters of the show.
I mean if Disney or whatever can pump out a “what can *Insert character would here* in this situation?” Then they should be able to do it for the Owl House as starter up headcanons for those that want to get into the fandom or that like any character regardless of their moral alignment.
Everytime Belos wakes up or finds out that (Caleb / previous Golden Guards have all gotten girlfriends) Or his project fails for the 100th time be like:
Knowing Belos this is possibly up there for that commercial that the VA did but animated as Belos, Love your work Magpie! ✋😻✋ = Cat with human hands lol
Still as handsome as ever, gives me "The little mermaid" vibes, is it too hard to look this beautiful?
I can't be convinced otherwise, this is so Belos coded I love it!
OMG that commercial thing is so old now and so random 🤣 I can’t even remember how I came up with that idea, I just wanted to animate Philip’s hair flowing on a boat looking unbothered and was suddenly like “what if a crab caught his hair and he blasted it into the ocean” 🤣
One of those weird sleep deprived ideas that somehow made it to the animation stage lmao
Knowing Belos this is possibly up there for that commercial that the VA did but animated as Belos, Love your work Magpie! ✋😻✋ = Cat with human hands lol
Still as handsome as ever, gives me "The little mermaid" vibes, is it too hard to look this beautiful?
I can't be convinced otherwise, this is so Belos coded I love it!
Emperor Belos would of HAVED TO HAVE seizures when either morphing into his cursed form or out of it.
Warning: Following content includes talking about seizures and the possibility of unhealed lacerations and the skull cracking open. If you are sensitive to this content STOP READING IMMEDIATELY!!!
so do you all remember this picture from king's tide Art Gallery:
Yup that one....Heres my theory. Since it only happened once and it was never shown again (either for shock value or to prove a point that HUNTER CAN LOOK STRAIGHT IN HIS FUCKING EYES while being fearful of him:
It's this moment that Hunter has to face his uncle, has to look at his own father figure. And realize THE MONSTER he truly is. It's both sad and extremely scary from Hunters point of view, because if there is ever a mention that Emperor Belos has suffered from seizures and can do THAT with his monster form. Then it is a clear indicator that Belos perhaps, has not fully recovered, or that the scar going across his face, is exactly where his skull has cracked open. Because it goes straight across his face to his head. I am THOUROUGLY convinced that while Belos goes through the most excruciating pain, he evidentially can smash his skull open and perhaps still has unhealed lacerations on his head, that possibly healed, or are infected, because they are so well hidden, underneath all that hair.
Maybe there is a canon explanation that he Belos wears his hair short for a while, because the pain of long hair pulling on the skin of his scalp. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a seizure so violent that not only caused a crack in his skull but also is the reason as to why he can do that thing. Morph into being semi human. Or if it is an indicator that he has violent seizures in the past and never fully recovered. It's a very dark thought to think about. And perhaps explains a lot about him as well.
Also, he could be lobotomized but who knows maybe he had no other choice?
So, I recently saw a post both on my Instagram and on my Tumblr from Moringmark where it joked that the reason as to why Emperor Belos can shapeshift basically, (or his human form is already his shape shifted form, but who knows). So, for those that did not see it, on Tumblr or on Instagram I'll link it down here:
The joke is that he gets electrocuted, and it causes his DNA to get fucked up essentially. And also, this is the prototype of what's going to be used in the day of unity. Which brings up the topic of interest of just how much time he has spent on planning and going through the motions of witnessing his projects failing more than succeeding.
I mean there had to be times were spent grueling all nighters trying to perfect his craft, only for it to short circuit. He could never quite figure out the correct formulas or perhaps had to make them. And it didn't help that the collector sometimes taunted him or gave the wrong information.
That was of course until, the seizures began, at first it could be a malfunction, but one so severe enough, to just be beyond getting electrocuted, and having ones DNA, and perhaps nervous system altered?
There could be no such thing!
But, as time went by, and the older he became, he feared that he may never see that faithful day. For just as he was as impatient as just getting it done, he too was he sick and tired and waiting for the result. Because deep down he knew it would fail. But he didn't want to feel as if he was the cause. So, he (should of actually) left it to the Collector, while he spends his final day in the human realm.
Now there were times where Emperor Belos had seizures at random times of the day, that affected how his memory processed things. It can go from him getting up out of bed, to being in the garden, or it can go from breakfast to conference room, and to dinner time. There seemed to be no explanation on his part as to why this occurs. But the everyone else knows. But they will never speak on it.
It's the story of Humpty Dumpty essentially, where a man (not a literal egg but symbolized as one), could be pushed to the extreme that everyone else knows what has happened of Humpty Dumpty, but not him. And if my parallels are correct on this, then Emperor Belos, before he even became Emperor suffered from this in his early years, could be from when he got punched in the nose by "Cool Aunt Lilith (disguised as Gertrude, not a trademark)." Or in his preacher era where he could've been much more vulnerable and a lot more careful of his approach. To convert wild witches, I am personally going with the in-between of him getting punched / preacher Belos or Preachlos.
Also, there is no doubt that he has passed out in a pile of snow, quite a few times and wonder why he has an awful snow mold the next day (like a cold, but this one can possibly kill you if you are growing your own icicles like it's a DIY project in cold weather...no pun intended).
Hey look maybe a cause for how Emperor Belos have had seizures head canon! :D (I'm kidding its actually pretty traumatizing, will make a part 2 in a separate post Lol).
Emperor Belos would of HAVED TO HAVE seizures when either morphing into his cursed form or out of it.
Warning: Following content includes talking about seizures and the possibility of unhealed lacerations and the skull cracking open. If you are sensitive to this content STOP READING IMMEDIATELY!!!
so do you all remember this picture from king's tide Art Gallery:
Yup that one....Heres my theory. Since it only happened once and it was never shown again (either for shock value or to prove a point that HUNTER CAN LOOK STRAIGHT IN HIS FUCKING EYES while being fearful of him:
It's this moment that Hunter has to face his uncle, has to look at his own father figure. And realize THE MONSTER he truly is. It's both sad and extremely scary from Hunters point of view, because if there is ever a mention that Emperor Belos has suffered from seizures and can do THAT with his monster form. Then it is a clear indicator that Belos perhaps, has not fully recovered, or that the scar going across his face, is exactly where his skull has cracked open. Because it goes straight across his face to his head. I am THOUROUGLY convinced that while Belos goes through the most excruciating pain, he evidentially can smash his skull open and perhaps still has unhealed lacerations on his head, that possibly healed, or are infected, because they are so well hidden, underneath all that hair.
Maybe there is a canon explanation that he Belos wears his hair short for a while, because the pain of long hair pulling on the skin of his scalp. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a seizure so violent that not only caused a crack in his skull but also is the reason as to why he can do that thing. Morph into being semi human. Or if it is an indicator that he has violent seizures in the past and never fully recovered. It's a very dark thought to think about. And perhaps explains a lot about him as well.
Also, he could be lobotomized but who knows maybe he had no other choice?
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