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Too young?
Turns out, one of the olldest overlords and the newer overlord are closer in actual age than it seems
Vox, a 50+ year old man who has been lusting after Alastor for decades: wh- how old are you????
Alastor, completely clueless and slightly insulted: 27, why?
Literally everyone else: *judgemental stares at Vox*
Velvette: HA, you see that you crusty old bitch! If Alastor can be an overlord, I can definitely be an overlord, you fucking dinosaur!!!
Carmilla, still trying to process that the Radio Demon is only a couple years older than her daughters: *stressed maternal instinct noises*
Rosie: Were none of you listening every time I called him "young man"???
Zeezi: We didn't think you meant it LITERALLY, how tf is the overlord killer a BABY????
This of course goes on for some time, and Alastor immediately gets sick of it. His only true ally is Velvette, who he never thought he would relate to (before the fiasco with the Vees that is💀). Zestial would also be his ally except he's thought of Alastor as Spicy Baby ever since they first met, and isn't even remotely surprised
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"I lost the ability to love years ago"
HOLY FUCK I THINK I FIGURED SOMETHING OUT
So, the scene where Alastor gets free of his Deals with Rosie and Vox has been bothering me since I first watched "Curtain Call" at 4 am this morning.
For one, why did Charlie saying Vox is the most powerful break his Deal with Rosie?
What does her words change in this situation? Like, if Vox is more powerful, then he's more powerful, regardless of what Charlie says, right? It's not like there seems to be any magic involved other than Alastor using the Favor she gave him. Vox himself has been saying he's more powerful than Alastor for a while, so it's not like they just needed someone's verbal confirmation. And there's a significant delay between Charlie's words and the leash around Alastor's neck vanishing.
I was trying to figure this out all day. Maybe he needed the ego boost to transform into demon mode, and that was what tipped him over the edge to being the strongest sinner? But even then, there's this still a delay between Vox transforming and the collar vanishing.
Additionally, if Alastor's Deal with Rosie was broken, then how did he still have his power? My understanding of Deal Magic is that if the Deal is broken, it's broken. Neither side seems to keep what they got. Why would Alastor get to keep his power for free?
But what if Charlie didn't break Alastor's Deal with Rosie? What if she completed it?
Let's go through the scene again.
Charlie says: "Vox is the strongest sinner in Hell"
Then, we cut to three separate reaction shots where the people of Hell cheer.
The delay for those three reaction shots can be explained by them occurring simultaneously, and if the next shot was Alastor's leash vanishing, then I wouldn't have thought this much about it.
But the next shot is actually Vox and Charlie. Vox laughs maniacally, then transforms, screaming "Oh, yeah!"
Then Vox delivers another line of dialogue: "Look, Princess! Hell's finally listening to you!"
Only THEN do we cut to Alastor, with the collar breaking.
And not just Alastor, but Rosie, too.
Why include Rosie here? Specifically like this? The collar around Alastor's throat broke, but we don't actually see anything on Rosie's end that looks broken. And the sound effect at this bit isn't the sound of something shattering or breaking. Listen.
There's a sort of magical "ting!" as the collar breaks, and a dramatic "thrum!" when Rosie's eyes flash.
The time delay between Charlie's line and Alastor's collar breaking is 18 seconds.
The delay between Vox saying that Hell is listening to Charlie and the collar breaking is less than a second.
What if the task Alastor was supposed to complete for Rosie was making Hell listen to Charlie? At least three separate times in this episode, we are reminded about Alastor's cunning specifically when it comes to words and Deals.
Right after this when Alastor escapes Vox's captivity is the first reminder.
Vox: "Fucking wordplay?! You tricked me with a fucking technicality?! Seriously?!" Alastor: "Mmm... it worked, didn't it? Baby, I'm a demon in Hell! It's kind of our thing!"
Then, Rosie reminds us twice in her and Alastor's part of "Hear My Hope." "Why don't you help them, you double-dealing manipulator?" and "I will not reward a snake like you."
On that note, Rosie seems angry with him here. Like she didn't get what she wanted.Like, perhaps, she wanted him to help Charlie, but he used her phrasing to his advantage to free himself without actually having to help that much.
Even when he came to the Emporium to tell him he had quite the hotel and basically threatened her, she didn't get angry.
And apparently, Rosie cares about "them" (unclear whether that's just Charlie and those closest to her, the entire hotel, or more. Alastor's shadows showed Emily, Charlie, Vaggie, Husk, Angel Dust, and Niffty dying when he said that).
Remember Alastor's lines in "Finale." "The constraints of my Deal surely have a back door." I think this was the back door. A way to technically fulfill his end of the bargain and free himself now.
The more I think about it, the more I think this is the case. Charlie completed Alastor's Deal, she didn't break it. Which is how he still had so much power to fight Vox right after.
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i was thinking about the whole “lucifer can’t hurt sinners” thing and like … he can still clearly annoy the absolute fuck out of them if his whole sequence in “hell’s greatest dad” is any indication.
i think the only reason he tried using violence and intimidation with vox is because vaggi suggested it. lu ‘handling’ vox his own way not only would have been more effective, but i wholeheartedly think it would’ve been funnier lol.
like you absolutely cannot tell me that mr. ragebait-the-radio-demon wouldn’t have delighted in muting that sad little TV man way before baxter thought of it if vaggi had just let the guy cook.
and before i sound too much like i’m saying “babygirl did nothing wrong,” he clearly also did a fucky wucky in just impulsively going along with the first idea presented to him rather than, you know, actually talking to charlie and figuring out how/if she needed/wanted his help???
WHICH HONESTLY MAKES IT SADDER because like … you know he did it that way because he’s not used to communicating like an actual person with his daughter and so he’s over-correcting HARD. that “please don’t give up on me” when he goes to meet ‘her’ is DIABOLICAL in how understated it is.
if you need me i’ll be screaming into the void about this tragic silly man —
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The bars are true, which makes the fact that he can't fuck Vox up even more tragic. Could you imagine having the powers of a god, and having to stand there and get disrespected by a bitch with a TV for a head and not be able to whoop his ass? Insanity.
They’re coping really well <3
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