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Cardan: You
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Vivi: Ask your man what he is most afraid of, and if he doesn't say "losing you", then dump him
Jude: Cardan what are you most afraid of
Cardan: You
Book 2, chapter 5 ❤️ A very drunk Cardan talks no sense...Hope you like!
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one thing that i think hsr does well with its villains is making you understand their perspective. even if you don’t agree with them, you can understand why they think that way or why they came to that conclusion.
like with sunday, he had a whole monologue about about his beliefs on order and it makes you see how his childhood experiences (and terrible father figure) shaped his current perspective. also having robin there as a contrast to him and to act as a personal connection definitely worked well.
with lygus you can understand that he made this robot, it became a god, and he hated it. whether or not you agree that nous limits the bounds of knowledge, you understand that’s what lygus believes. and that he truly thinks the cosmos is better off without nous.
fulwish basically trauma dumps to us before we fight her, and yeah i can totally understand why she would want to take revenge on planarcadia after having her trauma be literally used for views. like the people she had relied on in her recovery were just using her for her story.
even the lord ravager, emanator of destruction, asat pramad has an understandable motive. he’s seen two of the paths he has walked lead to suffering for the people he tried to bring joy to. he’s seen the elation devolve into pure hedonism, and seen the people he trailblazed a path for become entitled and greedy. asat pramad even says it himself, “i walked too far and saw too much. afterwards… i could not laugh again.” even his goal of killing aha is just to save THEM from the same outcome.
i also think that understanding a villain’s perspective and motive makes their defeat more satisfying and significant. it’s not just a a battle of strength, but a clash of ideals and beliefs.
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sengen 56 chapter
I want to talk about chapter 56 because it it incredibly significant. This whole observatory story is one of the most important in the development of Senku’s character and his relationships with other people. And it would be truly illogical to reduce it all to some simple romantic infatuation. Sengen’s feelings go much further than a petty romance, and here is why.
*was inspired by this post
Let’s start from the beginning. Magma blindfolds Senku and brings him to all the villagers. Things are really unsightly, and Senku naturally comes to the conclusion that Gen has persuaded all the villagers to bring his head on a plate to Tsukasa. Hence it can be assumed that Senku had such thoughts before, and he admitted the possibility that Gen could raise the whole village against him. Senku is right that Gen could raise the whole village since he has no less power over the villagers than Senku himself does, but he is wrong with the fact that Gen would want to go against him. He didn’t know his motives and even though Senku chose the “as long as you are on my side, let’s just be friends” strategy, he was wary of Gen. That is, he did not trust either Gen or the villagers completely. The fake speech of Magma, who was just trying to make Senku angry and let go of his hand so as not to die together, immediately becomes real in Senku’s head, and does not help the situation at all.
Gen immediately calms Senku down, saying “I swear I haven’t a clue what you’re on about”, because he never had any thoughts of rebelling against Senku. On the contrary, his uttermost devotion can be admired. The blindfold is removed, and instead of a bloody betrayal, a view of Saturn opens up to Senku’s eyes, followed by the view of the whole observatory. And then Senku mentally transfers to his childhood, remembering his main dream - to go to space. This is how Gen shows that he sees Senku. He sees the great scientist Senku, and the highschooler Senku, and the child admiring his father Senku. He sees his wishes, ambitions, desires, he sees what brings him happiness and fills him with inspiration, he can hear what Senku’s heart says.
Gen also sees that it will be difficult for Senku to cope with emotions after such an event, so he begins to chat about everyday things so that Senku finds support amid such an emotional shock, feels more comfortable and has time to gather his thoughts.
Senku clings to this opportunity and continues the conversation in his pragmatic manner. However, here is another Gen’s revelation waiting for him. Gen says that he remembers the date of his release from the stone and he counted the days to find out his birthdate. He once again shows that he can see the real Senku, and thus makes it clear how much Senku means to him and to all the villagers. How much he believed in him, even before he met him.
To make it a “fair deal”, Gen opens his heart to Senku in return, allowing him to see his real self. Formerly we saw Gen as a fickle opportunist, a dark horse, a vile greedy man, a traitor, a self proclaimed “the most selfish man on earth”. But right here he’s telling Senku almost straight up, that this has never been true. That he is by Senku’s side not because of pros and cons but because of true likelinesses, admiration and respect.
He cracks his mask with his own hands, allowing Senku to see into his heart as well. It’s like he’s saying, “I trust you completely, so please trust me too.” This scene means so much because after it Senku gains 10,000% confidence and trust in Gen and the villagers, he can not doubt their loyalty for a millimeter anymore. And this is incredibly important for the development of the plot.
Gen’s words gave Senku so much faith in himself and in the success of the Kingdom of Science that Senku literally changed as a person overnight.
After this conversation, he is noticeably getting closer with the villagers. He even gives them all something like “high five”, although physical contact has never been his thing.
And communication with the Gen becomes a hundred times warmer, and Senku keeps showing and showing that now he also trusts Gen for all ten billion percent. He trusts him to work in the laboratory, and drive a car, and a tank, and he plays along with Gen’s schemes even if he doesn’t know much about it, and he even doesn’t mind when Gen starts analyzing him.
So it is truly illogical to call this scene a romantic confession when it is the greatest anthem of trust and devotion. When it is a masterpiece of subtle analysis and mastery of Gen’s smooth talking. When it’s an oath to stay until the very end, no matter what happens. When it is an expression of admiration and respect coming from the heart. When is the moment where they both let each other into the innermost corners of their souls.
Okay I know that in general the readings I’ve seen about the gifting of the observatory are mainly romantic, and the main idea is that Gen is confessing his love, and that this opens the doorway to a potential romantic relationship between them. BUT!!! I think I have finally made sense of it all in the way that I think it was supposed to be read. As I used to think it didn’t serve a purpose so it had to be romantic in nature. Right???? (to be clear it made sense during the first time I read it, but has since been skewed in my mind to a shipping angle to end up at this point of not recognizing the actual purpose of this scene for the characters and the readers) The rest under the cut because this got long lol
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What's the moment you started shipping Sengen? Mine is definitely when Gen and Senku agreed they'll condemn their soul together to hell, it's small but it's the moment I started loving this ship.
I know there's the Gen asking for cola while injured scene but idk... They condemning their soul together to hell stirred something deep inside my heart...
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the "senku ishigami and asagiri gen will be condemning themselves to an eternity of hell" scene is so insane i think about it all the time
funny thing about this scene is that the only other time they used such phrasing was in the light novel, where it narrates homura's loyalty to hyouga
Even then, Homura had no regrets. She had offered her very own future to the other prisoner, Hyouga. Even if the future was pitch black, if it was to fall to hell with him she did not mind in the least.
homura... who is in love with hyouga... hmm interesting
btw loved them ever since the observatory scene in the anime!! the anime, specifically, because i read the manga first. but only when the anime came out in 2019 did i realise how romantic the observatory scene actually was... like... it hit me that this was the most perfect gift one could present to senku then. how much thought gen put behind it all, to the point of manipulating senku into giving him a hint to calculate senku's birthday.
it's such a lovely scene and gen orchestrating the whole thing with the help of the villagers truly speaks volume for his love and care for senku. and i don't necessarily mean love in a romantic way– well, could be– but no matter the form of love the reader interprets this scene as, it's undeniable that gen genuinely loves senku for being senku. it is the purest kind of love, for he admits he likes senku regardless of the gain he gets from it.
and this scene is so so so so gen. there's manipulation, sure, but there is also kindness hidden behind it– that's the core of gen's personality. he is a good man who hides his kindness behind layers of manipulation. similarly, he manipulated chrome into picking the card that would allow chrome to ride the parachute first because he knew how baaaadly chrome wanted to.
and one of the best parts about the observatory scene? inagaki-sensei had revealed in a Q&A session that the saturn that senku saw through the telescope was merely his own mental imagery. with gen's limited science knowledge on making a telescope, the telescope made by him and the villagers wasn't advanced enough to see a planet. which means senku was so touched, he had lied about the telescope being good.
anyways, i've talked about how important gifts are to the ishigamis here and i'd like to point out that this makes the gift mean so much more to senku than a simple (maybe useless) telescope. thanks for coming to my ted talk~
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SUIKAAAA OMG MY BABY 😭❤️❤️
I still haven’t watched the actual episode. I’m not ready for it to be OVER over 💔
OK NVM ARE THEY ADAPTING THE EXTRA VOLUME…..
I’m gonna be honest tho, the extra is just okay. I also did not like the byakuya reboot IM SORRY!!!
Same..... I'm not a fan of them either tbh 😭😭
OMG THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. ABSOLUTELY TRUTH NUKE. I was too scared of getting flamed for thinking about it this way. The scene where all the other scientists are just shitting on xeno’s plan to build the time machine? That’s me. I am those other scientists. There’s a point to where I can accept the alien tech, but not a whole ass TIME MACHINE 😭the story could have totally ended without it. It is simply too far fetched for me to enjoy it. And I do feel bad about not liking it, cause just like you said, I understand the message!! But at the same time I just. Can’t 😭
The point about senku not grieving healthily is only exacerbated in the extra volume with why man’s mind games. give him a BREAK bro 💔
I’m not even gonna talk about the “baby hitler paradox” of it all. tldr the Time Machine is unnecessary and I lowkey hate it.
SAME!!! I feel like those people who didn't believe global warming was real before it was scientifically proven to be real or something, but when that ending happened I went all "oh COME ON"
Also, I get feeling guilty but I am also in the personal opinion that having criticism/unpopular opinions for a media we like doesn't mean we like it any less, so it's fine #TOME. I've made several posts about how I dislike the direction of the story after the America Arc lol
Damn, thank you all! 😭
I'm also not a fan of the time machine. It feels too far-fetched but also just Senku not grieving.
I would have preferred an ending where Senku accepts his father is gone but it's thank to him that they made it this far.
Also Senku's ambitions were always going to the moon, so an ending I would have preferred is for him to decide to push the boundaries of space exploration!
They now have hard proof that other intelligent lifeforms exist in the universe. Let's try to find them, get excited! Something like that! 😭
Introducing a time machine at the 11th hour just feels weird. And also I just don't see an happy ending with time travel.
Like what's the goal? Why-Man says they want to prevent incursion on Earth to save more of their people. So prevent the petrification completely? So no more Kohaku, Chrome, Suika? Mirai goes back to being brain dead in the hospital? Gen goes back to his celebrity job that seemed to by wearing him down to the bones (he looked like a dead man walking in the manga at first)? That doesn't feel like a happy ending...
Or they save an alternate timeline so everything above is applicable but also Senku never sees his dad again. That's sad too!
If they just wanted to save the astronauts by bringing them in the future, just say it! But it still feels like a cop-out. I love Byakuya, but a message above grieving and moving on is good too!!
And 4-D science don't really help me feeling better about it either.... 😔
As someone who writes time travel fanfic - I actually agree with you all so much. 😭 I do not bring Byakuya back, in fact I emphasize how many people are gone for good due to being smashed thousands of years ago and have Gen use his mentalist skills to help nudge Senku into accepting reality. The whole point of both stories is that the time machine doesn't do what Senku's unhealthy overly optimistic coping hopes it does.
In one it yanks Gen's mind out of a near-death moment and shoves it into a younger body - the just sending information idea Xeno mentions twisted into it's least useful form. In the other it does that to Senku and Gen, but incompletely and at the cost of their lives. Senku is framed as self destructive and willing to incur any cost to get his father back even as an 80+ year old man. That's what spending his life chasing time travel got him: old, mostly alone, full of regrets and chasing the past as his future came and went without him moving forward.
Space exploration is an obvious option, but seeing him move forward instead of look backward would have been so much better.
I say space exploration because it fits Senku's dreams and ambitions, but not like Senku going off to space. Just continuing to work on space research and travel.
Re-establish an ISS.
Trying to send signals in the vastness of space.
But also moving on, yes. Stopping his "I'm gonna pause everything else in my life". Friends, family, etc.
He continues to study science and space, but at the end of the day goes out to drink with friends, goes home. Says hello to the little memorial he put together for Byakuya in the living room.
The time machine doesn't feel hopeful. It feels like a trap.
Yes, yes exactly. I'm all for aroace Senku who doesn't need romance, but the way he phrases it as something he will do later instead of something he just doesn't want in the first place bothers me. That's not the same thing. I'm just aro, and I always wanted kids, so my personal experience is different, but "it isn't the right time" combined with him being obsessed with bringing back the dead first gives me red flags.
I really love the story, but that aspect of it hits a sour note for me. Especially with everyone else moving forward and thriving and he's still in his red cape pursuing the same goal of saving everyone with overlays of dead people who died without ever being petrified. Gen puts his old outfit on, but it isn't tattered like it was. It's clearly a new version (with the old jagged line design not the sleeker one and no tie) probably made of nicer fabric instead of rawhide and hemp. He's just being comfortable at home and usually wears a suit to work. Senku does have a nice lab coat (finally he has trousers) but he is at work wearing the tattered red cape after a significant - likely multiple years long - time skip. It's not a nostalgic thing he keeps as a precious momento, it's part of his everyday at work. Sure, he was at day 1 of Taiju and Yuzuriha's wedding, but if anyone other than the bride and groom was going to be there for both ceremonies it wouldn't it be the best man? Cultural differences, Japanese weddings are really short compared to American ones, but he's not there. They say he was there for the firat one and at least the English translation sounds like he left early to go back to work that same day. Taiju and Yuzuriha clearly wanted him there, they are bringing the cake and Gen to Senku.
Gen doesn't find out about the time machine because Senku reveals it to him or invited him to see it. Senku is so attached to it that Gen finds out essentially during the wedding reception/party for Senku’s childhood friends while eating wedding cake. It's... so bizarre and unhealthy. I get that the pace is fast and they are doing a gag ans wrapping things up quivk, but the implications during a second watch are kinda icky.
Yeah exactly...
That's why, like many other media I am fan of, I choose to ignore the Canon about the time machine and make my own ending. 😭
But glad I am not the only one rubbed the wrong way by the sudden time machine introduction.
I had a lengthy debate about it yesterday after watching the episode lol.
I really love the discussion here!
Especially "The time machine doesn't feel hopeful. It feels like a trap." THIS. This summarises how I feel about the time machine ending in the most eloquent way. The irony of trying to invent something that will allow you to bend time to your wish, and yet lose all the time you already have now. Time machines... something so futuristic... and yet the man himself lives in the past. It is just unhealthy but it's painted in such an optimistic light.
Adding something visually to the discussion and my Head Canon
I imagine this would be after senku collapsed from overwork, but instead of resting after waking up, he went straight back to work and gen couldn’t take it anymore. He’s already tried talking some sense into senku, using his mentalist tricks and getting the other members of the science team (and kos) on his side, so senku is more inclined to.. maybe focus on his own future and try to move on. Nothing has worked so far and it hurts too much to see senku loosing more and more of himself. It’s even more obvious to gen how much senku has changed because of all the years they haven’t seen each other. Realizing how much the kos have enabled this bad coping mechanism, including himself. As the designated mentalist of the kos he feels especially guilty for not seeing how much senku has strayed from his path.
So this scene is a build up of all the pent up emotions that gen has been bottling up in his desperate attempt to right his wrongs. Whether senku can be reasoned or not is another question
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Tarot Gen Cards - A conspiracy theory and Hcs
Well, I was re-re-re-reading some chapters of manga (I can't help it, sorry) and I'd noticed one thing about Gen' cards.
But first, when and who made one of the most powerful trick of this cute mentalist?
Let's start straight (or not, in this case?).
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In chapter 70, paper (and the possibility to make sheets to draw and write on them) is acquired by the Science team. So I don't think Gen' cards already existed before this chapter because they made by paper with a touch of plastic (I supposed because the paper it was more easy to draw something on but only paper isn't enough).
In chapter 82, Gen remembered Senkuu' words about the entertainment (so like his own magic show) and how they will come back. I wanted to include it because from chapters 70-81, Senkuu and all of them in general had zero (0) chills to make something of frivolous like cards. So when Gen' cards could be made? Maybe after this chapter?
In chapter 84, finally we could see one of the cards: the Joker + Gen explained one of his psychological tricks.
Had you noticed? The Joker had a sort of title.
Uncertainty Principle.
It wasn't a psychological or magical concept but a scientific one. The Uncertainty Principle was also known as Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Google-chan was trying to explain to me what it was but it wasn't important for this post, so let's forget about what it was but not that it was a scientific concept.
Also the double faced joker here had the same scar of Gen.
Cute.
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In chapter 88, we could more of his cards. On the cards were written Tarot Gen Card (and they hadn't the pattern motive that they had in few chapters before).
At first I thought that there was something strange but Wikipedia-chan explained that even cards like these that Gen used could be called like this. For Tarot Cards I did mean another type...
Btw, in this chapter we also saw another card. 3 of hearts that had a title as well.
Theory of Evolution.
This one is an another scientific concept like that for the joker's card. It's a reference to theory of evolution made by Charles Darwin, of course.
So here we go with my theories:
1) Gen made these cards by himself
I mean, he needed them and finally he had all materials to use. Tarot Gen Cards are useful for good (little show that he could make as it was shown in a small photo in this panel from chapter 99)
or "evil" magic tricks (when it was to make his and Senkuu's interests went well). This could be valid because on cards there was Gen's name (normally on something made by Senkuu there was always his name).
2) Gen asked to Senkuu to make these cards
Gen was very lazy. He needed cards and he asked them to Senkuu for the same reasons that I'd said above. Also Senkuu maybe could draw (we didn't know nothing about Gen's other skills) or they asked to the little child from the Village to draw a few illustrations on cards lol
3) Senkuu made them for Gen as a gift (after all, Gen has made for him the telescope)
Yes, same reasons above but there was more. Senkuu didn't express his feelings and he preferred to do something concrete for who he loved and cared about. So he made cards with Gen's name but call them with scientific concepts also to teached them to Gen.
The scene that I've pictured in my mind is like this:
"A mentalist like you have to have cards with him... So here we go. Use them for Science Kingdom's Sake."
"Have you given to me a present, Senkuu-chan~? For what? I'm not complaining."
"It's not a present, it's for your mentalist job. Use them for tricking who wants to trick us."
"Wait... Why has every card a different scientific principle on it?"
"Because you can study them now."
"Have I to study here too? Tewwible!"
And I've done, let me know what do you think, if you mind or if you want me to focus on something else about SenGen or Dr. Stone story 🃏
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