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the way rosamund pike says siuan’s name in the audiobooks when reading as moiraine makes me insane in the best way possible. she says it with so much care and gentle inflection and i am gnawing on my arm over it. especially since right at siuan’s introduction in the great hunt, moiraine makes a point of noting how no one calls her or thinks of her as siuan sanche anymore, only the amyrlin seat. and then for the rest of their time together moiraine proceeds to say siuan’s name every other sentence like she is trying to remind siuan that she is so much more than the position that threatens to destroy her, that through it all moiraine will always remember her as who she was and is
Lan and Mo - quickie doodle.
I am taking the 'make lots of lazy art in 2025' resolution seriously.
i love you female characters who make selfish choices they know will be bad for everyone. i love you female characters who think they're making the right choice but make things worse. i love you female characters who are making the right choice but noone else understands it.
— Something happened to her, it was about twenty years ago, a year or two before your bond. One day it just changed, like water turns to ice. Do you look and wonder how it was ever water?
—Was she happier?
—I don't know. I don't know if she was ever happy!
Touching her face to calm her down!
I promised more meta of why I think what happened between Moiraine and Siuan this season was Siuan's game, not an actual breaking. So buckle up, we're talking about Rand and why his moms were arguing in front of him.
I believe the meeting between Moiraine and Siuan, the one in front of Rand was staged to a certain degree. I'm not sure they were able to discuss details in the previous meeting, but the general idea of Rand not trusting Moiraine, not trusting Aes Sedai is not that hard to communicate, even if there are people that might be listening. Anyway, they made the scene quite believable, but at the same time Siuan said everything Rand was afraid Moiraine was.
To Daes Dae'Mar ot not to Daes Dae'Mar?
The moment Moiraine enters she commands Siuan (the Amyrlin Seat nonetheless) to release Rand. Siuan says "no". And then Moiraine accuses Siuan of not being able to protect Rand from the Reds. Which Siuan dodges rather unconvincingly. She starts talking about some rules they should obey. But she never specifies the rules she means. We only assume it's about caging the Dragon. And so does Rand, because that's what they were talking about, but Siuan never confirms that in any other way. I bet there're multiple rules that are equally old, like facing the Dark One's powers in the Last Battle for that matter. Which is interesting since the episode is called Daes Dae'Mar...
After that Moiraine explains to Siuan what were their tasks in a way that even someone who hears about it for the fist time would understand. Coincidentally they have someone like that kneeling on the floor, listening to the conversation. Moiraine goes to the very personal question, we can see Siuan is taken aback by suggestion she might have forgotten that day. Their argument looks quite real at that point.
Then it's Siuan's turn. She makes Moiraine vulnerable in the eyes of Rand, revealing Moiraine was stilled, and incapable of using her power on Rand. Rand that is at the very moment shielded form the One Power by an Aes Sedai who moments earlier informed him any Aes Sedai would be able to do this to him. Any, but not Moiraine.
She goes even deeper. You can't control him. You can't guide him. Everything that Rand is afraid Moiraine is trying to do to him, she's incapable of doing right now, She's no threat to him. It's no accident the camera focuses on him during this part of Siuan's speech. At that moment he realized he can actually trust Moiraine, because there is nothing she can do to him. She can't use her power to control him. And by supporting him she is going against the White Tower rules (about which he just has learned thanks to Siuan). So there is no reason for her to cage him in Tar Valon. Siuan made herself a villain, she took all Rand's fears upon herself, and left Moiraine free of them. And it works so well. Rand not only helps Moiraine to get her powers back, he stands up to Lanfear protecting Moiraine, deciding to take her with him. In exactly the same situation, before his meeting with Siuan, he dumped Moiraine and decided to do what Lanfear told him. All it took to change that was two conversations, one with him and another between Moiraine and Siuan that he witnessed.
It's in the title
Just look at it. How conveniently it all worked out at the end. Moiraine is chasing Rand all over the continent, trying to make him see reason, but he is stubborn, he does not trust her, he feels betrayed by everything she does, even if it is to help him. Then he meets Siuan in the episode called Daes Dae'Mar. Siuan that is the Amyrlin Seat. Which should make her one of the best in the game of houses. She balances on the knife for so long, she mastered the way of lying without telling a single lie. So, after a conversation with that very person, in this very episode, Rand changes his attitude towards Moiraine.
Rand needed to see that Moiraine is no threat to him, he knew her, he could believe that. He would never believe that the Tower and other Aes Sedai are on his side. But that wasn't necessary. All that was needed at that point was for Rand to trust Moiraine, to have her with him, because otherwise she would not be able to complete her part of the mission. And I do think it would be too much of a strech to assume it was all an accident, and not an actual, cunning plan of two masters of a Daes Dae'Mar.
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Your body no longer feels like your own.
I will let a thousand innocent people die if there's even a chance that he will live. That is what it means to support him, you do understand that?
ROSAMUND PIKE as MOIRAINE DAMODRED The Wheel of Time 2.8 | "What Was Meant to Be"
SIUAN SANCHE and MOIRAINE DAMODRED
THE WHEEL OF TIME | 1.06 / 2.07
"Moiraine could not help smiling back. Siuan had that gift, making her smile when she wanted to frown and laugh when she wanted to weep." — New Spring, Robert Jordan
Wot show is out there making some compeling arguments for the shadow and why people join the dark.
the argument:
Ryma Sedai and her warder, Basan.
SOPHIE OKONEDO as (Young) Siuan Sanche
THE WHEEL OF TIME | 2.07 DAES DAE’MAR
Sometimes I wish we still were novices, you and I. Still innocent enough to see it all as a gleeman’s tale come true… Still innocent enough to dream of the happy ending to the gleeman’s tale, of living our lives as other women do.
—The Great Hunt, Robert Jordan
And I'll be your fishwife? You'd make a bloody awful fishwife.
SIUAN AND MOIRAINE THE WHEEL OF TIME 2.7 | "DAES DAE'MAR"
"...and laugh when she wanted to weep." [New Spring, chapter 2]