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Happy Cinna is loving to explore her new set-up with lots of extra enrichment! Still waiting on a few additions to arrive in the mail, so here it's about 80% done ^^
(Disclaimer: her wheel is dirty because she kicked her sand and bedding on it before I moved her sand box farther away lol, I'll be cleaning it this evening!)
I donât know much about the omegaverse. Do you learn when youâre an alpha omega or beta during puberty. Are there kids who get horrible sex Ed and have a shitload of misconceptions about how all this stuff works . Are there omegas who never got the proper education and think theyâre alphas for some reason for an embarrassingly long time until someone picks up their scent and is like âhey I can smell youâ and theyâre like fucking excuse me I thought I was just a guy who had the knot version of ED and youâre telling me I should have been bottoming this whole time??
I have so many questions about the logistics of what people do (outside the obvious) when they go into heat or rut. Do they just stay home from work? Do you have to call your boss all hot and heavy like âI cannot do my job as an accountant today. Too horny. Not possible.â And your boss has to sit there like yeah sure alright see you when youâre done. Do you think people have faked heats and ruts in order to get out of work. Do you think thereâs some slacker out there who âgoes into heatâ three times in a month just so he can stay home and play legend of Zelda. Heâs a beta. He doesnât go into heat.
What do two alphas do if they fall in love. Like romantically, they really like each other, they want to spend their lives together, they canât imagine being with anyone else. What do they do. Do they take turns. Can the alpha thatâs on the bottom have their knot pop when itâs not inside anything and they just have a swollen dick for a little while ?
Do some peoples heat cycles sync up like periods. PLEASE tell me that there are groups of friends that all get ravenously horny at the same time and will call each other up like âGIRL⊠GUESS WHOS NESTINGâŠâ and theyâll all be like âOMG BITCH ME TOO!!â
Do you think some alphas make it a job out of fucking omegas that donât have a partner. Like food delivery but for dick. Just put your address in the app and a stud will show up at your door like. Hey mamas letâs breed. Do you think thatâs a viable career option in this world. Do you think you could tell your parents thatâs the job that you have over dinner. Or is that not the kind of thing you would discuss in polite company. Or would it be disrespected and not looked super proudly upon because itâs like doordash .
Do you think a common fantasy a la chastity play and denial amongst omegas is being forced to take heat suppressants . Donât get mad at me for asking the real questions here
Honestly the omegaverse sounds kind of like a utopian free love society where people are very upfront about sex and sexuality ngl.
First of all: omegas can top and alphas can bottom. Alphas can bottom for omegas too. Generally during heats omegas prefer to be penetrated and alphas to penetrate but they can just use toys. Alpha â top. Omega â bottom.
With that outta the way here we go.
In most concepts of omegaverse you âpresentâ as your secondary sex during puberty, however some writers may decide to make secondary sex something people are aware of from birth/ very young. Usually the second one ties heavily in soulmate or destined mate* concepts, but the former can as well. Youâll find a lot of stories that show finding out youâre an alpha or omega (or beta) through a national blood/pheromone test at a certain age, or multiple times during life as test results can change slightly over time, in these stories being an alpha or omega doesnt do much until you fully âpresentâ during puberty.
Depending on the level of education in an individual story yes there can be garbage sex ed that tells you almost nothing of what to expect and how to deal with it. These concepts usually relate to omegas that donât bother to read their âtestâ results abt their gender and believe theyâre an alpha until they suddenly go into heat, or their test results were inaccurate all along. They also relate to stories that portray omegas as âlower classâ or simply sex objects. Bad sex ed stories usually include challenging stereotypes as a main focus.
Usually in omegaverse omegas are undesirable to hire due to heats being more frequent than alpha ruts, and thus more disruptive. so they lie about being an omega to get hired, and then either pump themselves full of heat suppressing medication, or call in sick every time. In stories where omegas are treated fairly they just call in normally lol. They keep track of their heats and they work with their job to get time off periodically for it, unless triggered by an alphaâs rut or pheromones, heats are pretty consistent unless they have some sort of condition that makes them irregular. Prostitution is a very common theme in omegaverse due to omegaâs not being able to get hired at ânormalâ jobs and societal pressures.
I imagine workplaces will require a doctors note or something to prove irregular heats etc if someone was abusing the âcall out for heatâ option. But omegas will often call out a day or so before their heat just to prepare better.
Some betas do pretend to be alphas or omegas to get further in life or to fuck more people. Its seen as sleazy and manipulative.
Alpha/alpha relationships depend on how the author wants to write the concepts of their society or biological instincts. Usually alpha relationships include a lot of domination and sexual fighting with the winner of the fight being the one to top (if they dont already have a dynamic that suits them) switching is common with both alpha and omega same sex relationships. In omegaverse these dynamics are either seen as normal or are extremely frowned upon. Usually they are kept secret to avoid conflict.
Sometimes if an alpha gets extremely aroused they can pop a knot without being inside something, this is common during puberty the same way boners are in teens. Its usually super uncomfortable and sensitive and legit physically cannot go away for at least ten minutes.
Heat cycles do sync. So do rut cycles. Heat and ruts can sync too. Not all omegaverse omegas nest but yeah they do have gc with friends lol.
Yes alphas make it a Job to help with heats. Theyâre called âheat aids.â In some omegaverse friends help each other through heats too, be it by just being around or sexually. Its usually seen as like kind of embarrassing to hire a heat aid cus it means you have no one else close to you or a bf/gf to stay with you to get you thru it. But its considered ânormalâ to hire one.
I havent seen a forced to take suppressants as a kink story but some stories have omegas fantasising about being confined to houses or rooms and used only to make babies (they call them âpupsâ pretty often).
All in all omegaverse is an EXTREMELY varied story device and no one has clear ideas for it, but yeah basically everything op said is a thing.
* A destined mate is someone so compatible with you or your pheromones that youâre considered âsoulmates.â Some concepts have this being a supernatural thing, while most keep it to being a pheromone/biological thing.
Originally typed this in tags and then decided itâd be better on the post itself, where I can add paragraph breaks:
#omegaverse reflects a lot of real world issues by magnifying them 100x #mostly for kink reasons but also for commentary
#omegas (women) being used as breeding stock; undesirable for/not allowed in the workforce; smaller and weaker and receptive #bad sex ed. heat suppressants/birth control. realizing at puberty that your place in society is not always a great one #it allows a framework in which you can place these struggles on male characters as well #or free female characters from them
#but it also caricaturizes maleness #alphas (men) as aggressive; dominant; socially prioritized; seen as either leaders or brutes with not much in between
#and you can play with all the gender fuckery all of that entails #it's like camp or drag; gender performance exaggerated to the point of absurdity that then asks you to engage with it anyway
#you can also turn a same gender (M/M of F/F) couple into one that occupies a âstraightâ societal role (A/O) #which might be healing for some or grotesque for others (and strangely intriguing either way) #or make it queer by ABO standards too (A/A or O/O or throw a beta in there somewhere) and go wild with it
#heats/ruts give space for very free and intense desire with a lack of inhibitions #which is something we don't normally allow ourselves to feel without criticizing ourselves #so it's a space to see and experience that within the safety of fiction #it's a thing you see with dubcon/noncon fantasies too (emphasis: Fantasies.) #if you weren't in control of what happened then you can't be blamed for it and you don't have to feel guilt/shame about the pleasure you felt; you can just allow yourself to feel it #again: not talking about real life here
#so as a framework ABO magnifies our cultural hangups and amplifies them until they're impossible to ignore #and then says: now what?
#and the answer comes back every time: fuck nasty style about it
Baffled by the startled dinosaur reaction. Why wouldn't omegaverse authors have addressed these things. That's half the point of creating a new biological/social framework; to explore it. To use it as an abstraction for exploring real problems. To poke at the edges and see how the world works. What else would Omegaverse fic be about? The entire genre can't just be ALL disconnected sex scenes.
I don't really care for sex scenes so I don't seek out omegaverse stuff (since it does also tend to have a lot of sex), but the ones I've read have been excellent analyses of social inequality and how it ties into biology both in reality and in terms of cultural myth (that is, using gender essentialism/stereotypes of difference as an excuse for oppression). Is this not the entire point of the genre?
Sorry to get up in arms in this but I'm so tired of the assumption that Whatever The Silly Horny Women Like must automatically have no depth. The Beatles were an important band. Romance is a valid genre. Mobile games are real computer games. A/B/O analyses social issues and has deep worldbuilding. Why must we do this again every generation.
Not aimed at OP, who I'm sure was legitimately asking real questions, but some of the people acting surprised that these questions have answers are pissing me off. There's comments in the notes like "if the genre actually addressed these questions then I'd read it!" Well you didn't look very hard, did you? Because it does address these questions. Regularly. It's a significant focus of the genre and even I, largely an outsider, know that. You just assumed, clearly without looking at all, that the entire genre must be nonsense porn without plot and with no connective tissue. Why? Why did you assume that?
Every. Fucking. Generation. I don't even care about a/b/o. I don't even care about The Beatles or the romance genre or mobile games. But I thought we were over this. I'm so tired.
At time of downloading the data we got just over 300 responses, which is not bad for a survey that was long and complicated to take! I'm sure my shamelessness helped. Being a survey for a specific crowd, we also didn't get anyone (as far as I could tell) taking the survey in bad faith, which is a legit surprise. Special shout-out to the several people who, when asked to write literally anything to say they understood what was going on, wrote "literally anything"; additional shout-out to the person who wrote "penus and hole" (sic). You get it, anonymous person.
I'm going to share the top results for the questions here, but I'll also include the raw data as a sheet at the end in case anyone wants to actually go through it with a fine-tooth comb. This is not a survey where cute pie charts or graphs would be useful or readable, so get ready for some sweet-ass numbers:
Story Genre
Unsurprisingly, our leaderboard for most favorite story genre in the 'Anytime!' category is as follows:
Hurt/comfort (153 votes)
Angst (142 votes)
PWP (139 votes)
We just like the guys to get the shit beaten out of them, angstily, and then they can feel better by jerking off about it. The ideal evening.
The big loser in genre, with 34 buds flat out saying "not for me", was Dark!fic. That said, Dark!fic also got 112 votes (third highest) for "has to be JUST right," so we can probably take from there that while as a group we don't hate dark content, we have pretty strict definitions for a) what counts as dark, and b) what kind of dark we're willing to take.
Gencest/gen was arguably the most 'eh, idk?' of the genres, with respectable showings in every category from Anytime to No; most people don't hate it, but people aren't really seeking it out either. It's definitely There.
Story Setting
The winner of most 'Anytime!' votes for story setting is close to my heart; the podium is:
Bunker era (142 votes)
Canon-close, codas, etc (129 votes)
Pre-series/weechesters (126 votes)
It feels good to know that canon is on our side. This may help explain why various alternate universe settings didn't do so hot with the respondents -- the least fave according to this survey is an age!swap AU, followed by a raised apart!AU. Writers who are making Sam the big brother who lives in Cleveland while baby Dean lives in Seattle, you keep living your truth, but readers are rearing back.
That being said, while Canon Divergence isn't an overall winner, it has a full 149 votes in the 'Dig it' category; so, while we may generally prefer canon, we're willing to be led on a garden path away from it. We just want canon to be within shouting distance, at least.
Canonical Character Variants
Here's where the survey gets more complex. I've always been interested in how and why people are fandoming about things, and simple 'yes/no' surveys rarely dig into that meat. The point of the superego/ego/id separation is to really interrogate -- hey, do you like to read about (for example) soulless!Sam because you find it interesting on a high-minded level, or because your heart-strings are getting tugged even if you think it's kinda dumb, or just because it makes you so hornt-up you can't think straight? All are valid, and all are possible simultaneously, but it's interesting to prod at to see how the interest is working. You might also just be like, eh, it's fine, or GOD, STOP, and that's fine too. So, with all that said:
Superego winners:
demon powers!Sam (202 votes)
soulless!Sam (177 votes)
blood addict!Sam (160 votes)
Y'all like to really brain about how Sam is fucked up. I get it.
Ego winners:
Trials of Hell!Sam (186 votes)
blood addict!Sam (180 votes)
demon powers!Sam (161 votes)
Still all Sam, and no surprise that his saintly pale sleeplessness is winning the heartstrings battle.
Id winners:
demon!Dean (205 votes)
demon powers!Sam (175 votes)
blood addict!Sam (165 votes)
Again, no surprise: fandom girlies (gn) love their bad boys, lol. Soulless snuck in at #4 here with 163, presumably because working out still wearing a belt was juuuust dorky enough to kick him off the podium; #5 was Smith & Wesson at 162, probably because if they'd been left in that AU for ten more minutes they would have been fucking over the top of Dean Smith's desk. Glad we're all on the same page, there.
The nopes here were an interesting mix. In the full-on No Thank You category we had Michael!Dean and Gadreel!Sam (with 52 and 53 votes respectively) -- it would be interesting to know if that was due to dread of the storyline specifically, or just how No Bad Wrong it felt to have it happening. These two also led the 'meh' category, although they were joined on the podium of bad by Endverse!Dean (128 Meh votes), which frankly shocked me. Y'all aren't into his thigh holster? C'mon now. Sure, he murders his friends without compunction, but -- thigh holster!
Story Tropes
These ones were fascinatingly all over the place, which is exactly why I wanted to do this. Going to just run down the S/E/I podiums real quick, then 'Hard sell', then No --
Superego winners:
Outsider!POV (211)
Someone Finds Out (191)
Mental health issues (190)
Ego winners:
Mutual pining (252)
First time (242) AND Sick/injured (242)
First time in a long time (235)
Id winners:
Jealousy/possessiveness (224)
First time (218)
First time in a long time (180)
Now, part of what's interesting about these is how they fall off in other categories. Outsider POV wins handily at Superego with 211, but then drops all the way down to 92 votes at Id -- which isn't nothing, but clearly it's preferred to have a heckin' think about how other people view the incest relationship, rather than thinking it's just So Hot that people might. Similarly, while people do think it's so so hot for one brother or the other (or both!) to be possessive at 224 votes, when it comes to the superego that drops right down to 134 votes, presumably as the brain wakes up and goes RED FLAG!
Entering the land of no thank you, we shall have two anti-podiums:
Real hard sell:
Infidelity (127)
magic/powers!Dean (125)
Unrequited/no relationship upgrade (110) AND "Carver Edlund" fandom
This is a much more mixed bag. Infidelity and Unrequited are no surprise here, because it Feels Bad, Man; magic!Dean also not really a surprise, given that most of our respondents prefer being closer to canon, and Dean is very much our mundane buddy in the show as presented. (A delightful buddy, but a distinctly nonmagical one.) Carver Edlund fandom makes me laugh mostly because it's such a bananas thing to exist in the show. Sam and Dean reading big bang fics about each other? Collectively we just... don't know what to do with that. Weird.
Squick/No/Maybe one exception:
Permanent character death (140)
Infidelity (108)
Eating disorders (102)
Again, no surprise in the anti-winners of 1 or 2 here, but number 3 surprised me, personally. ED fic used to be a pretty big wedge of common tropes that people would seek out. Perhaps it's gotten less popular over the years? Or perhaps just that the people who like it REALLY like it and so chat about it out loud, while those who don't quietly bury it in sand, lo as a cat does with their leavings.
Most extreme delta in 'general interest' (whether that be S,E, or I) to 'ehh' (whether that be Hard Sell or Squick) is first time. Y'all loooove your first time.
Sexy Tropes, Vol. 1
This is where I really wanted to know if people could pull apart their interests between brain and heart and guts. Hopefully people were honest, as requested. Some of them we know are slight liar answers, because the hits on AO3 tell a story that can't be refuted -- nevertheless, here's what people were willing to admit to.
Bulletproof kink/will read any version:
Bedsharing (158)
Incest kink (139)
Size kink (133)
your friendly neighborhood survey creator is jumping up and down going 'wooo' that size kink made the podium. also I hope everyone understood that incest kink meant, like, indulging in the incest of it all via 'oh you're so totes my brother and i want to suck your dingle for that reason specifically', but I realize that could've been clearer.
Easy sell/you don't have to work hard for me to enjoy:
shameless bottom!Dean stuff (151)
switching (147)
voyeurism (138)
the first one here genuinely surprises me considering what I see getting written most often; is this a case of just not being in the right venn diagrams, or the 'easy sell' just not matching up with what people are being sold? Curiouser and curiouser.
Medium sell/not my fave, but I can see how it appeals:
bad/awkward sex (120)
phone sex (114)
in [drug/alcohol] veritas (110)
edging into awkward town in a few ways here: we don't love these, but we can see how it'd be fun. or not fun, in the case of bad sex.
Hard sell/this is unbelievable or uninteresting so you have to work hard to get me to enjoy it:
always-another-gender!AU (84)
multiple Sams or Deans (73)
genderswap (magic) (72)
so, in general, we prefer to keep the penises around and intact, but just one Sam penis and one Dean penis, please. Here, I'm interested that the volume is much lower than in the top category: maxing out at 84 hard sells compared to 158 bulletproof options means that we're willing to give more of these tropes a chance, even if they're not our faves. How accepting we are!
Squick/no/maybe one exception:
always-another-gender!AU (83)
A/B/O elements (65)
multiple Sams or Deans (51)
strong overlap with the hard sell; and, keeping in mind that people were able to choose multiple options, it's possible that some of those were identical votes. Again, please keep the penises straightforward and only two at a time. A/B/O is interesting here, especially given what we know of how well it does on AO3; while it's a big squick for a lot of people, it also has decently high votes in bulletproof/easy, averaging 82 votes. Mixed bag!
Sexy Tropes Vol. 2, Electric Boogaloo
Bulletproof kink/will read any version:
Possessive/claiming sex (129)
Marking (hickeys/bruising) (116)
Hair pulling (103)
Let's glance back up at the Id winners in the story tropes above, hmm quietly to ourselves, and move on.
Easy sell/you don't have to work hard for me to enjoy:
Marking (hickeys/bruising) (135)
Hair pulling (130)
Possessive/claiming sex (121)
Well, that's boring. So let's expand so as not to be repetitive:
There we go. Pretty easy to put all of those into one fic, too.
Medium sell/not my fave, but I can see how it appeals:
Blindfolds (128)
Painplay (116)
Shibari/rope play (112)
We're starting to lose interest as accessories come into play. Interesting to compare D/s and its relative success against painplay -- so, tell him what to do, but don't hit him while you're doing it. Fair enough.
Hard sell/this is unbelievable or uninteresting so you have to work hard to get me to enjoy it:
Fucking machines (94)
Vore (80)
Mommy!kink (77)
Entertaining mix here, haha. General feasibility may be rearing its head here. (Also, for my own entertainment: daddy!kink got 67 Hard Sell votes. People generally prefer to keep it as horizontal incest, not vertical incest.)
Squick/no/maybe one exception:
Feederism (164)
Vore (161)
Extreme underage (157)
No surprises here, although some fans of the nibbly variety of wincest may be disappointed by vore's poor placement. Note also that 'extreme' is in the eye of the beholder; we'll leave aside value judgments, as we have for the whole survey, and note that people are not indulging in a version of underage they find to be personally past the line, or at least are not admitting to that.
At a glance, the closest matchup between bulletproof for some and a squick to others is bloodplay, with just 1 vote separating the two categories: 44 bulletproof, 43 squick. Next time someone tries to tell you that 'everyone' likes or doesn't like something, please take it with an entire shaker full of salt.
Dynamic & Position Preferences
I tried to encourage people not to think too hard about this one and just answer on instinct. Who knows if that worked. But here are some overview takes:
Toppy/dominant: Sam takes the lead here, with 69% of respondents being in the 'Love it!' category. Nice. (217 votes)
Dom Dean earned a respectable 52% of 'Love it!' votes (163).
However, I was also interested to check out the inverse --
subby!Sam: 44 'Very no thank' votes (13%)
subby!Dean: 27 'Very no thank' votes (8%)
It's interesting to leap way back up and compare that against 'shameless bottom!Dean stuff' doing so well in the rated E categories. Makes you ponder.
Actual sex position: Frequently switching takes the win here, with 61% of the vote (194 votes). Sam always topping edges out if people must choose, with 144 votes; Dean always topping is our lowest choice, with 112.
Service!topping: this is a fairly niche fic type, but it does still exist -- I guess in a world of bottoms someone's got to actually get up and do something, and it is hilariously an almost perfectly even split:
A healthy percentage of people said they didn't care about these questions either way, and more power to them. However, they were wildly outvoted by those who did.
Multishipping Time
Our final categories are when other people get their grubby hands on Sam or Dean, either canonically(ish) or in our fandom activities.
Canonical relationships for Sam
Jess wins, quelle surprise. :) 161 people Dug It and who can blame them.
Amelia LOSES, shocking no one: 112 people said Fuck That.
Eileen was definitely a mixed bag; her results, in order, were:
Meh: 92; Fuck that: 76; Worse than meh: 66; Dug it: 44.
Canonical(ish) relationships for Dean
Note here: it was too unbalanced if we only went with people Dean officially dated. However, the show leaned hard into a few unrequited male relationships for him, which we included here, and no one sent me hate about it so I guess that was fine.
Benny wins the Love It! category with 129 votes, barely edging out Cassie at 122. Benny is best boy, so that fits.
Cas loses with a full 99 Fuck That votes, which is probably what we'd expect from a wincest survey. That said, he also got 93 Dug It votes, so it's a pretty balanced showing.
Poor Lisa sits firmly at Meh with 148 votes. It's not that we hate you, Lisa; we just don't really know what to do with you. Which is pretty much how the relationship went in the show.
Shipping Sam like FedEx
We returned to the S/E/I model for shipping as we did for tropes, because it means something very different to go 'oh sure, I can see how that would be interesting' vs saying 'I want them to fuck rawnasty and I don't care why they're doing it.' Apologies if I left out your favorite side-ship but, shit, there's only so much time in the day.
So, we return to the podiums:
Superego:
Ruby (132)
Rowena (121)
Cas (102)
Ego:
Rowena (121)
Cas (106)
Ruby (90)
Id:
Ruby (125)
John (121)
Rowena (118)
So that was going on sedately until Dad came in like a hammer. Fascinating. On the other hand:
No:
Lisa (234)
Donna (222)
Claire (219)
Interesting to me that these three are ladies that Sam theoretically could have got up in but people are not into it, regardless. This is slightly different to Dean's 'no' category -- spoilers for three inches of screen space!
Dean, Shipped by UPS
Superego:
John (129)
Benny (115)
Lisa (99)
Ego:
Benny (134)
John (116)
Lisa (102)
Id:
John (147)
Benny (128)
Crowley (114)
Well. That tells a slightly different story, ahem. Enjoy the various tropes that will be applied, Dean! And then we get:
No:
Amelia (245)
Kevin (223)
Gabriel (217)
Comparing to the Sam 'no' above -- these three are slightly more 'traditional' Sam ships, though the wincest shippers are nevertheless not into them for Sam, either. Dean literally never spoke to or saw Amelia on screen, so it'd be a determined shipper who'd make that happen. Not undoable, though!
Conclusion
Syke: there isn't one to be made. This really shows how diverse the taste is in the wincest community, or at least in the wincest community that a) happened to see this survey over the last five days and b) bothered to take it. This particular group leans slightly toward e.g. toppy Sam, or slightly toward switching, but when you look at raw numbers what you see is that at least one person LOVES every single one of these things, and at least one person fucking HATES every single one of these things, and so -- so what? Write what you want. If you see a niche of something that you love where you feel like not enough people are writing or reading, try to fill it. If you're worried "no one" will like it, well -- you're wrong. Someone will. It just needs to get seen by the right people.
That's where fandom comes in, to spread the love even if something isn't bulletproof for us -- reblogging a post to say, 'hey, my mutual made this thing, look at it!' What a joy it'd be if someone saw it and loved it to absolute shattering bits, and then found their little bulletproof community, and happiness was made. What's the point, if we're not making each other happy.
Thanks for participating if you did, and reading all this if you did. Here's a link to a google sheet (read only) with all the tables of raw data if you're interested. I'll post some of the more entertaining fill-in answers later.
s&d shipping survey results: November 1, 2023 - Google Sheets
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