Hannibal Lecter Is Anti-Nontraumagenic.

Quite obviously.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

Hereby my formal introduction.

My name is Dr. Hannibal Lecter. I am an introject in a diagnosed Dissociative Identity Disorder system. I am 47 years old, however physically, 19.

I have previously not been very active on this app, however after having found myself with not much to do, I’ve decided to make my own blog on here to combat the misinformation being spread by people claiming to be nontraumagenic “systems.”

Endogenics and pro endogenics, do not interact with this blog for the comfort of the other parts in this system.

Otherwise, I do not care who else interacts, regardless of whether I support your stance on any given issue. This does not mean I support the views of everyone who does decide to interact. I block freely if I see something that could be detrimental to our system.

I do not care if this blog is placed on a block list. However, I am firmly against the whole concept of those, as they tend to cause waves of harassment towards vulnerable people and minors alike.

[rainyloreinfinity]

It feels like christian propaganda with the way that endogenic "information" seems to overcrowd actual information for systems.

I'm not sure how else to describe it but its legitimately scary how popularized endogenic terms and concepts are.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

I saw this community just now, and people have talked about anti radqueer endos before, but…

“Build a headmate” blogs, intended to help someone “create” an alter, how is that not the same as being transplural?

The only difference between willogenic and transplural is that not every transplural decides to “transition.” A willogenic person “creates a system/headmate” whereas a transplural person doesn’t always attempt to do so. That’s the only difference.

They both desire to be a system, both groups have people who try to become one, except on order to be willogenic you have to “make” them where to be transplural you only have to have the wish and can either choose to become willogenic or not.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

I've never really understood endos and willows and, while I'm not a system or plural in any way, I am curious about what they are and what the issues are with them. Your blog has already been really helpful in understanding some of the arguments for endos, and I was wondering if you had any resources or even just a simple explanation? Tysm!

Of course.

To start off: What are endos, and what are willos?

-Someone who says they’re endogenic is claiming to have formed a system that is not a result of trauma. The term “endogenic” is an umbrella term for a lot of subsets and “origins” they have created. Pluralpedia has a load of them if you ever need a good laugh, there are gems on there such as “McDonaldsgenic,” “Fakergenic,” “Cybergenic,” etcetera.

-Then, willogenics are people who claim to have deliberately made their own system. Basically, from what I have seen, a lot of them advise to ‘fake it until you make it.’

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How are CDDs formed, and why is being endogenic not clinically possible that we know of or at all?

-As a child, you are born with separate ego states. These are fractures of a personality that over time will fuse and integrate into a whole. This happens before the age of give or take 9 years old, though some studies claim younger, some claim as old as 12. To form a CDD, you need to have significant dissociation between these parts. Dissociation is a trauma response. If the parts are separated by dissociation, they can’t fuse together, and will instead develop separately into entirely new personalities.

-So, without trauma to cause the dissociation, and thus cause the system, it isn’t possible. The inability to fuse ego states is a catastrophic thing, and there is simply no viable reason or way for the brain to do that naturally.

-Now, the willogenics. A lot of these people are minors, the most I have seen are between 13 and 16. At these ages, your ego states have fully fused. In order to create alters, you would have to separate them, however they already formed into a singular personality. Think of it like a group of colors that over time become mixed together into a new color. You cannot separate them again once they’re fully mixed.

The people attempting to do this are damaging themselves. Attempting to form a system like this can cause this and more:

-Identity confusion

-Dissociation (standalone, unable to separate ego states, so this isn’t producing the result they desire. However, this dissociation can result in dissociative amnesia, which may convince them that they succeeded as amnesia is a big thing in mainly DID systems.)

-Psychosis if predisposed

And several mental health issues.

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The origins of the endogenic movement: The Natural Multiplicity Movement

Anti-willo-sollivan had a huge post about the origins of the endo movement, though sadly their* blog got deleted. I will try to explain it the best I can.

The very basics of it was that the endo movement started with the Natural Multiplicity Movement. They had the goal of completely demedicalizing systemhood, which of course was about CDDs. This is a problem because CDDs are disorders that can be significantly disabling, and demedicalizing them would prevent systems from getting treatment for their condition. They generally viewed being a system as a neutral, if not healthy or even desirable thing. Because of their goal of completely demedicalizing systemhood, they’re widely regarded as a hate group by a lot of anti endo systems, as their goal would inflict significant harm, including lack of treatment for trauma, lack of treatment specifically for CDDs that teaches coping skills, internal communication, and could result in healing through final fusion or functional multiplicity. The lack of treatment can cause worsening mental health, and could lead to suicide. All because this one group wanted to lump themselves in with people with CDDs.

Now, the current endo community is less made up of adults, and a significant part of them are children. They don’t all seem to agree with the NMM’s goal, though that’s hard to tell since not many talk about it.

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The current endogenic movement and why they are still harmful

Endogenics today generally don’t seem to be as actively focused on demedicalizing CDDs, though they passively engage in it still. However, there are still major issues to address.

-Transphobic and ableist slurs.

Two of the most notable ones: Sysmed and Traumascum.

Sysmed is an abbreviation of “System Medicalist.” This is derived from the word Transmed or “Trans Medicalist,” which is a group of people who claim that gender dysphoria is a strict requirement of being transgender. This is incorrect because gender isn’t a binary thing you can place in boxes. Furthermore, they are comparing an identity label, gender, to a group of medical disorders.

Traumascum is derived from the term “truscum,” which means the same as transmed. Now I’m sure it’s quite obvious why calling people “trauma scum” is ableist.

-Impact on actual systems and diagnosis of CDDs.

I actually have personal experience with this. Ever since the TikTok DID sensationalization trend, and with that, the endogenic movement becoming way more mainstream, both I and many other systems I have talked to have seen a significant delay in diagnosis, and thus treatment. We are less likely to be believed by doctors, because CDDs are stigmatized even within the mental healthcare system, and endos added to that. There are clinicians who either don’t believe CDDs exist at all (ignoring mountains of evidence), and there are those who were already skeptical and then pivoted towards not believing in them at all. There are thankfully clinicians who do still believe in the existence of CDDs, but even they have learned to be more cautious diagnosing them due to the large influx of people claiming to be systems and/or endogenic starting 2020.

This has resulted in a several year long wait for my own diagnosis, a total of 5 years after I found out about my system is when I got diagnosed, and that’s already extremely quick. More often, it takes over 7 years to get diagnosed now.

-Grooming concerns

The endogenic community tends to be pretty toxic, while presenting itself as a positive and welcoming space. Some things that happen are:

-Encouraging people who newly discovered they’re a system to find out as much as they can about their alters as soon as they can. This is harmful because attempting to do this can and likely will result in trauma resurfacing, and without a professional to help you this can be dangerous.

-Encouraging people to label themselves as systems for completely normal experiences, or if they aren’t sure if they’re a system yet. This can look like several different things:

1: A questioning system who is unsure if they’re actually have a CDD or not is encouraged to accept the label of plurality, even if they don’t know for sure yet.

2: Normal human experiences being labeled as plurality, such as acting differently around different people (think acting as a parent to a child, a colleague at work, a friend in a friend group, etc). They also have this term for being “in between a non-system (singlet) and a system,” which… you are either a system or you’re not.

-Harassment

Now obviously, harassment can come from both sides. However personally, I have experienced it more while being openly anti endo as opposed to some previously pro endo alters of ours have (I will come back to one of these alters later).

Several things that happen are: Suicide bait, rape threats, death threats, doxxing, insults and slurs, exploitation of marginalized identities such as being transgender, disabled or a POC and slurs connected to those identities, graphic and violent messages translated into windings font, sending CSAM or gore into someone’s askbox… and probably more I don’t know about.

Then, our own alter’s experience. I will let him explain this for himself.

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Hey, I’m Yngve. I used to be both endo and radqueer neutral before becoming pro leaning neutral on endos. I had some pro endo and pro radqueer friends and everything seemed to be going pretty okay for a while, but obviously I didn’t tell them that that rest of the system is mostly anti endo. I already knew that wouldn’t be safe before even realizing they weren’t safe people, so I guess there were signs?

Soooo… one day I was having a severe OCD episode. I had made a stain on a plushie and had been obsessively cleaning it for over 30 minutes, while having a panic attack the whole time. So I eventually did something I would never do while lucid and used ai for the first and last time ever to check if it saw a stain.

I sent that into the discord server with those friends, expressed over and over again how horrible I felt and that it had triggered the morality part of my OCD but that I was severely spiraling and about to hurt myself. What they proceeded to do was insult me, calling me a Sysmed, a troglodyte and other things I won’t be repeating. Then they deliberately started to trigger my moral OCD even more by telling me I had directly caused the death of thousand of people with my one message, that I had blood on my hands now, that I’m a horrible person and a murderer. One of them posted the systems shared tumblr account which is used only by the anti endo alters and harassed me even more. And then they started using my personality disorders against me by claiming I never viewed them as friends at all. They kept harassing me until I left the server, and I ended up spiraling until I attempted some drastic measures. Obviously a traumatic experience and caused more splits of alters.

So uhhh basically they were friendly until I was noticeably mentally ill. Then they turned to a pretty extreme form of ableism.

Obviously I’m now fully anti endo and anti radqueer (where I had been pro leaning neutral and neutral before).

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I hope this post has provided some useful information. I will stop writing now as it is almost 3:00, and I do value my sleep. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

(*: I am unsure of Sollivan’s pronouns, so I used they/them. If anyone reading this knows, please inform me and I will edit this post to the correct pronouns if needed.)

[anti-willo-hannibal]

I will be expanding on the last ask, because I struggle with portraying my points in text format.

I did mean forcing recovery only if it's absolutely necessary for safety or if they're harming themselves and unable to consent to treatment due to the nature of the state they're in. I didn't mean to for example throw all people experiencing psychosis in hospital regardless of their personal situation. I will use myself as an example. According to my doctor I don't need to be hospitalized when in psychosis and I can even detect it and give myself more meds. Each case is different and should be seen as different. That means, that no blanket statements are inherently correct for everyone. This also means that we should never ever under no circumstances force recovery on people identifying as plural is incorrect. I wrote the last ask angry because I saw the radendo post.

- the hand of Devine (actually his less angry, but still anti endo alter, but I am stealing this title for myself)

Of course, this makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.

As I said in my previous post/reply, I do agree that recovery shouldn’t just be forced onto someone, unless not doing so results in significant, possibly dangerous impairment in either their life or the people around them. If the impairment is there but doesn’t cause significant damage, and they are consciously able to make the decision to remain as they are, of course recovery shouldn’t be forced.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

Hi! I am doing an anon ask, because the rest of the system is endo neutral or pro endo. It would be nice to convince them otherwise, but I am trying to avoid another series of arguments. I am not an endo, I am diagnosed with CDD by a doctor. I will use this anon to dump my thoughts about endos, because I love to hate browse their tags.

1. Some endos claim, that their plurality is not causing them any harm when you accuse them of harming themselves.

The whole plural subreddit is full of people complaining about plural stuff, asking for advice because they struggle with something, vents and other stuff. So, like no, you don't experience downsides.

Some people are going to hate me for that, but I do think sometimes you should be forced to recover. Take paraphilias for example. I do experience psychotic symptoms and once was in psychosis continuesly for over half a year with no real treatment, so I kinda know what I'm talking about. Sometimes you just are just unable to decide whether you want the treatment. And I do not think that all r/plural people should be forced, but some of them should.

I am saying that, because I've interacted with a person, who went to 12!!!! Doctors and all of them told him that his tulpas are psychosis and gave meds. He didn't take the meds and continued to seek advice on what to do on discord. Venting and stuff.

Also I do take antipsychotics and they do not make alters go away.

This part doesn't mean forcing fusion. Treatment might mean many different things and people should be able to set their own goals.

This point took way too much space. I will return with more anons when I front again

Sincearly,

- the hand of Devine

Hello, thank you for your ask. You are always welcome in my inbox.

Yes, some endos claim that it isn’t harming them. I think, that since I don’t believe nontraumagenic systemhood to be possible, that what these people are doing (even if unconsciously) is one of the following:

1: By convincing themselves they are a system, they are creating identity confusion within themselves separate from systemhood, which can make it harder for them to discover who they are. This especially applies to younger people, as a lot of young people are still discovering themselves and their place in the world.

2: They convince themselves they’re a system to the point where it turns into genuine delusion, which will need extensive treatment on top of the treatment they may need to discover a better, non-harmful coping mechanism.

Or 3: They are an actual system with a CDD, and either refuse to accept it, don’t remember their trauma causing them to believe they are endogenic, or have been groomed into believing they are either endogenic or their trauma isn’t bad enough to be a system. This would greatly hinder recovery, of course.

As for your recovery point, I certainly agree to a large extent. My system has been diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder (Bipolar subtype) and even if we refuse treatment because we are convinced we do not need it, the chance of us ruining our life because of it, while thinking we are fine, is large. I personally think that recovery should not be forced unless and until the issue is causing a significant, negative impact on either the person themselves or those around them. For something minor, with very little bad consequences, I think it’s a bit more nuanced.

Overall, I think it is very important for endogenics to receive the treatment they need. Many I have seen claim their perceived plurality as a coping mechanism, but as I have explained, it is a harmful one. None of us can force treatment on them, however my hope is that they can recover from whatever makes them believe this form of coping is necessary, and that they find themselves.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

I have not posted for a while due to mental health struggles, however I felt the need to break my hiatus upon seeing this post:

This is… extremely concerning.

“Plurality” or systemhood is not a superior form of consciousness. It is a consciousness that should have been single, split into several parts. It is not healthy, and it should not be normalized.

“Making them all plural” You wish to turn every single human being plural? Speaking only in possible terms, this would mean traumatizing every single person as a child until they form a CDD. However, since I recognize this is not what they directly mean: not every person wants to be plural. Nobody should want to be plural. Even if this could be done in a safe and non-harmful manner, it would be against many people’s will, and would be considered abuse. You are admitting to wanting to abuse people even if we drop the CDD framework.

Imaginary friends are a normal experience, and treating them as autonomous individuals may cause psychosis in children. Once again, deliberately doing this is abuse. Then, to compare it to conversion therapy is extremely queerphobic. You are claiming to be pro-queer, this goes directly against that that.

“Anti endo hate groups” This is profoundly ironic considering where your movement originated from. An actual hate group.

I do not have the energy for much more at the moment, however I will add on if and when I do.

Lastly: I am, obviously, aware that Sophie is attempting to ragebait and stir controversy. That does not take away the long-lasting harm she is doing.

[lo0ping-the-ro0ms]

Me when I'm in a appeal to authority fallacy competition and my opponent is a diagnosed/traumagenic pro-endo system

[anti-willo-hannibal]

We left a comment on a YouTube video about a person who was proven to have faked DID, and the YouTuber (who is already a very bigoted person, I’ve noticed) was trying to claim that everybody with DID is ashamed of it and several more blanket statements.

I left a comment that he should let the community do the talking, instead of putting words in our mouth. Then someone replied to me, calling me a “TikTok faker”, saying I claim to have over 100 alters while I never, ever mentioned that and our headcount has never gone over 50, etc etc.

Now I know not to take them seriously, because without knowing any of my trauma, they told me it wasn’t bad enough to form DID. I have been emotionally, psychologically and physically abused, bullied, I have gone through TBMC for years, I have been raped over 12 times and assaulted daily for over 3 years straight; I dare say my trauma is more on the extreme side.

Now, they’re a “satanic ritual abuse” believer. So obviously they’re very ignorant. They also claimed that introjects aren’t a real thing, which tells me they haven’t studied DID as much as they claim. Introjects are a very well-documented part of DID.

Anyway, I just wanted to rant about that. It pisses me off to have people who know nothing about the disorder claiming that I’m a “TikTok faker” and “invading spaces that don’t belong to me.” And going as far as to fake claim the fact I have been diagnosed and have had that diagnosis confirmed by 4 clinicians.

Here is the comment thread:

[kaminarilovesme]

As someone with OSDD-1, I've done an entire research project and understand almost the entierity of psychogology, so yes, all types of plurality is possible.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

A single research project does not make you qualified to speak as a scientist.

That aside, you claim to understand ‘almost the entirety of psychology,’ which is not plausible. There is a reason why there are so many different fields of expertise within psychology, there is a lot of information on even the smallest topics, and to claim to understand “almost everything” is not within the realm of possibility. Psychology is massive: cognitive, developmental, clinical, neuropsychological, social, evolutionary, forensic, industrial-organizational... and each subfield has decades of research. Your statement is clearly the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

After looking at your account, I do not believe you to be very old. It appears as if you are a minor, a young adult or simply an extremely immature adult. Given your level of (im)maturity, this only strengthens my case that you do not understand nearly as much as you think you do. To become proficient in psychology, there are years of study involved, which it doesn’t appear you have.

"A wise man never knows all, only fools know everything." – African Proverb

[kaminarilovesme]

hi! This isn't Wolfgang but I think its obvious that we aren't a psychologist. We do understand psychology to a degree but we do, obviously, not know everything. Also, yes, we are bodily a minor but that doesn't excuse your ageism. Also, please do not use those tags on his post.

[anti-willo-hannibal]

Very well, I’ll take off the tags.

However, I do not believe to have said anything ageist. I am in no way saying young people cannot be smart or understand certain topics. However, it is a fact that in order to become proficient in psychology, you need years upon years of education, and typically, children and younger teenagers do not have that education as 1: There’s a significant chance it doesn’t interest them (yet or ever), and 2: Even if it did interest them, they don’t have access to that professional education yet due to not being old enough to pursue a degree in psychology. That is not ageist, that is simply factual.

In this post, you claimed to ‘understand almost everything about psychology,’ which is what I addressed. “Almost everything” is significantly more than understanding it to ‘a degree,’ which I appreciate you changed your wording on.

I should add: I did not call you immature because I suspected you’re a minor. I mentioned the possibility of you being an adult, as I did not know your age. That, also, is not ageism, it’s simply an assessment based off of your statement, completely disconnected from your age.

[z0mb1eluvju1ceagainstendos]

Love how traumascum is a term amongst endogenics like it's a scummy thing to have been a victim of shit in early childhood. "Oh? You're a traumagenic system? You actually went through shit to get to this point? hah! Yeah, right. You're scum for being an innocent child who couldn't help their situation! We hate you for being a trauma survivor!" That's all that says to me.

It's very ironic. Like, how are you yourself, not scummy after stealing CDD terms and roleplaying the disorder that affects and disables several people daily? It's just a large community of hypocrites. That's all it is. It sounds like jealousy. Like they're jealous traumagenics are real systems. Like, do you WANT to get fucked over as a child? Really? How fucking low of a human being do you have to be to WANT this? We struggle every day. Hell, I'd sell systemhood if I could, but you know what? That's not realistic. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY.

Endoscum. More like. Ableist fucks.

Defend yourselves. I fucking dare you.

[anti-willo-dee-johnson]

“the future is plural” = “we want people to mistake their non-CDD mental disorders, neurodivergence and things that are just literally normal as plurality, and harass the systems who tell us the truth”

[chompettesrollout]

when being diagnosed, most of our symptoms didn't come from the existence of the alters- they came from the amnesia and dissociation

it's important to me that you know this

because if there's an endo out there claiming that they can infact be diagnosed with a cdd just because of the alters, they're wrong and i hate them

🍓raspberry

[anti-willo-hannibal]

Genuine question: if your goal is supporting plural people, why spend so much energy insisting strangers prove their origins? Not every system experiences plurality the same way, and none of us can verify another person’s internal experiences over the internet. Even if you personally disagree with endogenic frameworks, what does excluding or harassing people actually accomplish beyond making communities feel less safe? I’m asking in good faith because I don’t understand why gatekeeping identity seems more important than encouraging honesty, consent, and respectful behavior.

“Plurality can only exist because of trauma.”

Research on dissociative disorders shows that conditions like DID are strongly associated with trauma. However, that does not automatically prove that every experience of plurality must have the same origin. The absence of evidence for non-traumatic plurality is not the same as evidence of impossibility. It’s more accurate to say that trauma is well-established for DID, while the broader phenomenon of self-described plurality has not been extensively studied.

“Endogenic systems are pretending to have DID.”

This depends on the individual. If someone claims to have DID without meeting diagnostic criteria, that’s different from someone who explicitly says they are plural but do not claim to have DID or another disorder. Those are separate claims and shouldn’t be conflated.

“Endogenic systems spread misinformation.”

Misinformation should be corrected regardless of who spreads it. But simply identifying as endogenic is not itself misinformation. It becomes misinformation only if someone makes false factual claims about psychology or diagnostic criteria. Diagnostic criteria for the DSM-5 and ICD-11 make no points about whether or not trauma is needed, it just says there is a high link. And the Theory of Structural Dissociation quite literally has “theory” in the name. The DSM says: 'The disorder may first manifest at almost any age from early childhood to late life.' The DSM does say its a risk factor: 'early life trauma (e.g., neglect and physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, usually before ages 5–6 years) represents a risk factor for dissociative identity disorder.'

“If it’s not trauma, it’s roleplay.”

This presents a false dichotomy. Human identity and subjective experience are complex. There are many phenomena (such as immersive identity experiences, religious experiences, or other internal experiences) that aren’t simply reducible to “disorder” or “pretending.

Also you aren’t plural. You’re multiple. The term you’re searching for is multiplicity. “Plural” was coined by endogenics. I barely see any endogenics use terms like “alters.” Also why do you feel the need to dictate what others experience? Why do you think you can confidently tell what’s going on in someone else’s mind?

I find it quite ironic that you use Hannibal Lecter as your main theme as well. I understand he is your source, but I feel like we missed the point of the show.

Medical professionals will hate us with or without endogenics. I hope you understand that. We don’t know enough how our brains fully work to be making these claims.

I feel it’s also important to clarify I am professionally diagnosed with DID and are traumagenic. Psychologists I have seen have acknowledged non-traumagenic plurality. My friends psychiatrist has acknowledged them as well.

‘Research shows that dissociative disorders like DID are strongly associated with trauma.’

Yes. The reason there isn’t a simple “CDDs must be caused by trauma’ is because it would be impossible to test without traumatizing children. And even if they did that, not every person with extensive childhood trauma develops a CDD.

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Endogenics do not always claim to have DID, and I never said they do. However to form alters, your ego states must be so severely dissociated that they don’t fuse. Dissociation is a trauma response.

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Yes, misinformation should always be corrected, no matter what side it comes from. When have I ever claimed that antis never spread misinformation? You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I’ve never said.

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The human mind is complex. Of course. However, refusing to fuse ego states is not possible without dissociation between the states. Once again, dissociation is caused by trauma.

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Religious experiences are not plural. Take Tulpas, for example. Tulpas, according to the people who practice the *actual* practice of tulpamancy, are not permanent. They are guides that are present in meditation, not “alters.”

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I do not call myself plural. I do not call myself anything other than a system or a person with DID.

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As for me using Hannibal Lecter as a theme: How many times do I have to repeat that introjects are not their source? You are trying to make me fit into the neat little box of my source character. I am a person. I am not a character. Stop dehumanizing me. This is not about the show, this is simply me talking about my opinions. If you don’t like it, respectfully, fuck off.

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And I do not care about your diagnostic status. Having a certain diagnosis doesn’t mean all your claims are suddenly correct or incorrect.

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Also:

"The DSM says the disorder may manifest at almost any age" This is a misreading. The DSM describes onset of symptoms, not formation of alters. Alters form in childhood as a response to overwhelming trauma. Symptoms may not become noticeable until later, but the dissociative structure is established early.

"The Theory of Structural Dissociation has 'theory' in the name" This is a misunderstanding of scientific terminology. "Theory" in science doesn't mean "guess," it means a well-supported explanatory framework. Gravity is a theory. Germ theory is a theory. The word doesn't make the evidence any less real.

"Psychologists have acknowledged non-traumagenic plurality" Acknowledging that someone claims something doesn't mean validating it as clinically real. It's possible they were being polite, or avoiding a confrontation, or simply acknowledging that the person experiences something without endorsing the explanation.

Now, I believe I have made it very clear that I do not want pro/endos interacting on this blog. Respect our DNI, it’s there for a reason.

Lastly, using the word “harassing”? When have I ever harassed a person? I am firmly against that, from both sides. I comment on what I see, however I screenshot the post so the person themselves doesn’t have an anti interacting with them. You are the one harassing me by breaking my DNI.

[fontainians]

Arguing with Pro-Endos Bingo!

- "There is scientific evidence for endogenics *links a carrd/pluralpedia*"

- "Of course you have (insert any cluster b personality disorder) and are anti endo"

- "Ugh you're such a traumascum/nazi/sysmed"

- "You're so ableist to think that plural spaces can only be for traumagenics! Stop being exclusionary"

- Free Space

- "You can have CDDs without trauma, stop lacking literacy and read the DSM they dont mention trauma at ALL"

- "I'm traumagenic and I don't see how a niche group is harming us even though you already told me"

- "Sometimes the brain just does things!"

- "Autistic people weren't taken seriously either so the words of an evil psych mean nothing!"

- "We are nothing like that hate group, because (repeats everything the hate group in the past have said/done)"

- "Non disordered plurality has existed throughout history and is older than CDDs"

- "Stop using endo terms if you hate us so much. and dont say plural either"

i wouldve put it in an actual bingo image but idont wanna out myself like that lol ik theres way more they have said but this is just stuff i can think of from the top of my head with limited time

LET ME MAKE THIS HOLDON!!

[anti-willo-hannibal]

Just found out that HC-DID confessions is endo-neutral.

Which, you either stand against ableism or you stand for it.

Perhaps it’s on us that we only skimmed the into post when we first discovered the blog, however I still find it a bit… odd, that a blog for programmed systems aligns themselves with pro/endos.

This is, of course, applicable to all systems, but a place that allows ableists as well as disabled people is not a safe place for disabled people. The same as a place that allows both trans people and transphobes is not a safe place for trans people. And many, many more examples such as these.

Putting bigots in a space with the people they’re bigoted against is never good, especially when the people suffering under the bigotry are already extremely traumatized.

[hanniballecterscock]

rip hannibal you would have loved killing people who call themselves “ai artists”

[anti-willo-hannibal]

As an introject of Hannibal Lecter: I can confirm.