Seriously? You’re just going to lean back on ignorance again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Noble_Virtues
https://mirrorofisis.freeyellow.com/id342.html (ripped off for the Ten Commandments)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forseti
https://www.godchecker.com/greek-mythology/ZEUS/ (literally the god of Law and Justice)
Meanwhile, your god didn’t know slavery and rape were wrong, outlining how to do the former properly, and regarding the latter as a property matter.
Do I have to post the elephant pic again? What about it is difficult for you to grasp about moral attributes being beneficial to a species? Just because you aren’t?
There are no proofs of a resurrection. There’s only fables in the same book that proposed the idea at all. A story that says 500 people witnessed it in the same book as the one that invented the idea in the first place is just continuity. There’s no verification, no confirmation. Name the people. We have more people who have witnessed Bigfoot. And we have names.
The same book that gives 4 different, incompatible hearsay versions of the tomb scene in the Synoptic Gospels.
Ah, the resurrection, the critical point on which Xtianity itself is dependent. That nobody thought to mention in any of the earliest bibles, and was regarded as spurious even in the 15th and 16 centuries.
What we do have is knowledge that the crucifixion itself was historically inaccurate, due to it being written decades after the supposed events took place by people who did not know Roman custom or law (just as they did not know Jewish custom when inventing the culturally and historically inaccurate Cleansing of the Temple scene).
Aren’t you the people who bleat “CONTEXT!!!!”? Let me explain it in simple, easily understood terms:
You = Xtian. You thinky heaven = good, candy cane. You be good. Maybe get in. Description of heaven = horrible. You not know this. Still thinky = good. Never thought through what would actually be like. Oops. You still want nasty heaven. Me not want. Me not know why you want.
You thinky bible make you good. You not have any other way be good. You not see giant logic hole mean you be evil, still reward. Cause you use bible make you good, not have any other way. Circle logic.
You thinky god = “real”. You act like god = “real”. No evidence for god but you thinky = “real”. God = evil like Sauron = evil. But you thinky real and worship. Even though genocidal and murderous. Torture people for “test”. Like Jigsaw Killer. Fictional, but you thinky real.
You = believer = no reason to be good. You = on leash. Me = glad you on leash, but why you need to be on leash? Is sad. Why you not be good without leash? What wrong with you?
Bible say good deed irrelevant to heaven. Xtian not know. Preacher sell good deed = heaven. Xtian never read. Xtian do good deed for heaven.
You really can’t grasp any of this? I’m dealing with you and your beliefs on your terms, dealing with your fiction from within its own fictional realm, pointing out the flaws in the story, and that the supposed-protagonist is actually written as an antagonist, while explaining my view from outside it and why I don’t want to be part of it. You’re literally selling the idea that Xtianity = morality, and you objected to the idea that atheists could do good without fear of divine reprisals, nor desire for a divine carrot. The only missing part is that Xtians live in pathological ignorance of their own mythology and doctrine, and, like you, won’t recognize that your god’s system is immoral (terrible people get “rewarded” with “heaven” - Xtian idea of a “reward”, certainly not mine, good people get “punished” with "hell”) when it’s pointed out to them. Because, as you’ve made perfectly clear, you cannot and will not acknowledge that your own secular, human, imperfect morality far exceeds that of your imaginary, evil god.
The most shameful thing of all is that you defend the abominable, immoral, reprehensible myth that is your slave-master god. You sacrifice your own humanity and your own morality in defence of this monster, this travesty against decency. That you think it’s there, with no justification aside from a crusty book of stolen myths. And that you think it’s a “good” thing.
You’re basically a member of a shitty fandom, and think everyone else is cosplaying part of it. You can’t grasp that I can criticise the in-universe material and also still tell my own story. That the god character can both be despicable and fictional. Like Sauron. Only more blood-lusty and with less consistent characterisation. Somehow it’s all about you, though, right? You can’t even temporarily set aside your god and consider your beliefs objectively or intellectually honestly. I guess because without your god you’d kill and eat all the pets and babies in a five block radius, due to your leash coming off.
Your own opening salvo was that atheists can’t square the concept of right and wrong, without a god. And yet, here we are. You’ve already agreed that being good doesn’t actually help Xtians in any way, Xtianity-wise; in your own words, regarding good deeds leading to heaven (which I agree, since I pointed it out in the first place with the quote from Matthew): “which they do not”. So, your confusion is really centred around the fact that Xtians have literally no Xtianity-specific reason to be good people, and only a secular, human reason to be good. That neither the bible nor Xtianity itself facilitates moral behaviour, and indeed, like all humanity’s imaginary higher powers, justifies immoral acts in the name of those powers.
It’s super-weird and super-arrogant that you can’t figure this out or resolve it. Perhaps the problem is that it’s just starting to dawn on you that all the stuff you’ve been fed about morality, Xtianity, believers and atheists is lies. You just finished off on a low-note in the end by descending into rambling incoherently, trying to shore up your cognitive dissonance with some blatant dishonesty and strawmanning.
I think I’m done with you. There’s no hope of anything worthwhile to be achieved by continuing to interact with you and your deliberate ignorance. You’ve already admitted you don’t have any sense of morality of your own, only a set of rules imposed by your celestial leash-holder from above (which are, by definition, subjective, by your god’s fiat), and continue to spout long-debunked fallacies. I hope you learn empathy and compassion soon, before it’s too late. Or at least seek treatment for your psychopathy, so others don’t have to suffer for your flaws.
And maybe find a second book to read. Or, perhaps finish reading the first one.
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