A Voice Behind the Stars

[avoicebehindthestars]

Just A Voice here

I'm 39, Scorpio, she/her, although I'm somewhere on the genderfluid spectrum. Sapioromantic, demisexual. Neurodivergent, hyperaestesiac, aphantasiac. Introverted, by I'll talk your ear off if you let me! I'm also pagan. I live with my SO and two cats.

Currently obsessed with The Magnus Archives and Teaholding, and more recently with Malevolent. Still grieving the destruction of Good Omens. I'm also a manga fan, although I know little of what is trendy these days. I'm a massive timeless sucker for CLAMP, though! I enjoy watching figure ice skating.

My fanfics:

The Magnus Archives:

Just a Touch (rated G, Jon/Martin, Halloween fluff with light angst, season 1)

A Lifeline (oneshot, rated T, Jon/Martin, post-episode 176: Blood Ties, emotional hurt/comfort)

Smallville:

Smallville Memoirs (series, rated T-M, Clark Kent/Lex Luthor, WIP - pre-written, updated every 1-3 months until complete)

Good Omens:

Under the Samhain Sky (rated T, canon-compliant, romance and adventure set in pre-Christian Ireland)

Yuletide Whispers (rated T, canon-compliant, fluff & hurt/comfort)

You're Back (oneshot, rated T, canon-compliant, hurt/comfort, CW descriptions of migraine)

No Feelings So In Unison (oneshot, rated G, post-s2, hurt/comfort)

Fin (oneshot, rated G, post-Second Coming, bittersweet, meta)

A Wish Your Heart Made (oneshot, rated G, post-Second Coming, hurt no comfort)

I Believe I Am Owed a Toss (oneshot, rated E, very NSFW!)

My fanart:

Eyes on Me for my fanfic Yuletide Whispers (colouring page available)

The Light Finds You (colouring page available here) for Find the Light by klikandtuna

Magic (colouring page in the same post) for Sky Clear Blue by klikandtuna

If We Each Did Half a Miracle for There Is a Light & It Never Goes Out by PhoenixRose314

This Is Real (colouring page here) for There Is a Light & It Never Goes Out by PhoenixRose314

A Name Long Forgotten for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

Where He Has Always Been for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

Before the World Ends for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

Weaving Memories for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

My Ritual of Worship for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

It Ends As It Began (a colouring page) for Don't Fall Away From Me by PhoenixRose314

[writemeialive]

The silliest thing I find about this whole "they only got 30 years together in the end with no memories of their shared history so what was the point" is that EVERYONE THINKS THEY ONLY MET EACH OTHER IN THIS ONE SINGULAR LIFETIME REALITY instead of my immediate thought that as its architects, Aziraphale and Crowley were wound so deep into the fabric of the new universe that there is a version of them finding each other and falling in love every single generation for billions and billions of years??????

A Roman version and a French Revolution version and a WWII version and ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND---

For goodness sake the song that plays over this version of them finding and falling in love is "Time After Time"! THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS FIND EACH OTHER!!!!!! ***ALWAYS*** IN EVERY LIFETIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[child-of-ineffable-divorce]

Thats up to interpretation. We’re shown no textual evidence of that, and using the song and end credits as proof doesn’t account to much, because the credits have always been an ‘artistic liberty’ type thing, and the song is just that, a song. Not a promise that what you’re hearing is exactly what’s happening, it’s just a general theme.

If we’re taking implications as canonical evidence, the implication of no angels and demons means that there’s no magic, no reincarnation, no ‘other lifetimes’ (see how my interperetation of the implications is different? This is because there’s no explicit factual data to base off of, so there’s no way to confirm any one interpretation is right or wrong)

And if they DID become these ever-present entities finding each other throughout time and space, why not show us that? Why show us the lamest excuses for revamped characters with one definitive ending (human, limited lifetime together), instead of what is said to be implied (present across the fabric of reality.)

I’d be able to accept the ‘always finding each other’ interpretation if there were literally ANY clues in the actual story, but there aren’t. Even the snow globe can’t be used as proof because it’s an easter egg at best

[avoicebehindthestars]

What's more, that interpretation requires the existence of soul, reincarnation and predestination (if they are to always meet). None of which are scientifically provable concepts, ergo, they are ineffable. You know, the one thing they both adamantly decided mustn't be there in this new universe?

[politeanarchy]

So I guess there's some long-ass post circulating, where somebody says they like the Good Omens ending where the protagonists (and everybody else in the universe) are disintegrated into dust, but they need everybody who's sad about that to shut up and not say anything, because sad people are ruining their enjoyment of everyone getting disintegrated. Ohhhhh..........kay?

[avoicebehindthestars]

Yep. This. No notes.

[red-archivist]

ALICE Of course we’re behind! We’re always behind, because there’s only two of us! GWEN You’re right… ALICE I know! I’ve been saying it for weeks! So if you want to catch up so badly then maybe you should get off your managerial arse and actually help for a change! GWEN Hmmmm…

oh god, she's going to try and hire more people isn't she

[avoicebehindthestars]

That's exactly what I thought and I'm excited who it might be!

Pity that world's Jon and Martin are confirmed dead, so we know it won't be them... Gerry, perhaps? Ngl, I'd welcome more male characters on the regular cast, it has been rather imbalanced in that respect, both OIAR and Primeline.

[avoicebehindthestars]

"Millennial treasures" xD Fuck you, RQ, now I feel ancient!

[avoicebehindthestars]

If I were Grace, I would send a pure, unmodified sample of taumeba to Earth with a note: "If you can't work it out, maybe you should've thought twice who you kick off on a suicide mission!"

I loved Rocky and I loved their friendship, but I hate the message it sends that a "greater good" justifies coersion and abuse. Forcing someone to die to save no matter how many people is NOT okay and such message should not be endorsed in a fluffy alien movie. This is only a tiny step away from forcing women to procreate in order to save mankind.

Then again, it was made by amazon, so how could it not rely upon a toxic attitude like this?

[iiinkos]

whos younger

jon

martin

same age

Remaining time: 8 hours 2 minutes

[inhonoredglory]

OK I'm cracking out the math.

In MAG 56, Martin says he's 29. This aired March 16, 2017. So back tracking, Martin's birthday is either late 1987 or early 1988.

Jon's birthday recording in MAG 161 happened around the start of the show (Jon says it's been "a rough start" with the team) so that puts the birthday party probably after March 24, 2016 (the airdate of MAG 1).

Jon was a child of the 90s (MAG 81), but he claimed he was turning 38 in the birthday party. If that were true, Jon would have been born around 1978, which is a lie.

So Jon lied about his age and upped it a whole decade (a quick and easy knee-jerk response to cover the fact he feels so inexperienced and out of his depth). So he's turning 28 at the bday party around the start of season 1. So his birth year has to be very similar to Martin's.

However, we know that Jon was there for Martin's birthday near the start of his tenure (as he said during the birthday party flashback in MAG 161).

Therefore, Jon's birthday has to be later in the year than Martin's. What I think we know for sure is that Martin's birthday has to occur after March 2016, and Jon's has to occur sometime after.

I came up with my headcanons for their birthdays long before I got to the birthday party flashback episode, but I think they still track! I heacanon Martin's birthday to be on June 25, 1987, a Cancer and pride month baby. And Jon's is on Oct 23, 1987, a Scorpio and spooky baby. Reasoning for my zodiac choices:

• Cancer: caring and providing/selfless, needing connection to find identity, and is capable of manipulating emotion as much as offering emotional empathy generously • Scorpio: stubborn, restrains their own feelings, thrives in the dark of the psyche, hides sensitive center, emotions roll in like waves, depressive from diving too deep

[avoicebehindthestars]

@inhonoredglory I love all the analysis you've done :D I'm totally with you on Martin being a Cancer, although I personally hc Jon as a Virgo - very neat, obsessed with keeping things in order and following procedure, a bit distant emotionally.

Mind you, I'm not trying to argue with you or invalidate your proposal! This is just my personal take and neither of us really has an upper ground here :)

Genuinely curious - how did you arrive at the exact dates (25th and 23rd)? :)

[inhonoredglory]

I love hearing about other people's zodiac takes!! Honestly I'm very new to the zodiac so I just perused other people's experiences with fellow signs to see how much they vibe. And I definitely was casting Jon based on his later-season self when some of his walls came down, in particular the stubbornness and prickly hedgehog vibes that protects a sensitive center. But I was hella projecting on him too, so 😅. Virgo definitely feels like him a lot!

Speaking of projection, that's how I came up with the specific dates. There really isn't much information to work off of in the show for the days, so they're all based on personal milestones with the character for me. If you're interested, Martin's is based off when I really started loving him as a character (on a 25th of a month) when I first heard the s4 trailer. Jon's is even more personal, as the month of October and Oct 23 in particular is a special milestone for me in terms of finding my true self (outside of the one my upbringing tried to make me), and I relate quite deeply to both Jon and to Scorpio. So giving him the 23rd as a birthday was a way of gifting to him something of myself, because I love him a lot.

Do you have any birthday headcanons?

[avoicebehindthestars]

💚💜💚💜

The only headcanon I have beyond their zodiac signs is that they were both born in 1987. And this is completely subjective and personal - I simply tend to get along very well with people born in that year (I, myself, was born in 1986, and I'm a Scorpio).

I know it's sometimes noted how people from the first half of a zodiac differ from the second half (and this is very true for me and my mother - both Scorpios, but I, an "early" Scorpio, tend to be more rebellious, whereas she, a "late" Scorpio, was more melancholic), but I haven't given it any thoughts regarding jmart. I wonder what lunar signs they could be, too... :) It's been a while since I dabbled in astrology, so my knowledge is rusty to say the least.

[python-nebula]

One thing i genuinely love about TMA is that they could have made Martin the trope of ‘big timid awkward bumbling guy who cant get a date’, and at first it seems like they’re kinda going down that route, but then it turns out they actually gave him LAYERS

like he’s badass, he’s depressed, his mum hates him because he looks like his absent father, he’s canonically fat and it’s not made into a negative thing, he lied on his resume to get an archival job, he loves cows, he has a crush on his boss who hates him, he somehow ends up with said boss by season 5, he is shy but comes out of his shell later, he managed to absolutely play two powerful Avatars, he makes good tea, he writes bad poetry, I love him

[avoicebehindthestars]

I'd add: he's still able to call Jon out on his bs without falling out of love with him. And he can handle himself and he's good at rowing.

[iiinkos]

whos younger

jon

martin

same age

Remaining time: 8 hours 2 minutes

[inhonoredglory]

OK I'm cracking out the math.

In MAG 56, Martin says he's 29. This aired March 16, 2017. So back tracking, Martin's birthday is either late 1987 or early 1988.

Jon's birthday recording in MAG 161 happened around the start of the show (Jon says it's been "a rough start" with the team) so that puts the birthday party probably after March 24, 2016 (the airdate of MAG 1).

Jon was a child of the 90s (MAG 81), but he claimed he was turning 38 in the birthday party. If that were true, Jon would have been born around 1978, which is a lie.

So Jon lied about his age and upped it a whole decade (a quick and easy knee-jerk response to cover the fact he feels so inexperienced and out of his depth). So he's turning 28 at the bday party around the start of season 1. So his birth year has to be very similar to Martin's.

However, we know that Jon was there for Martin's birthday near the start of his tenure (as he said during the birthday party flashback in MAG 161).

Therefore, Jon's birthday has to be later in the year than Martin's. What I think we know for sure is that Martin's birthday has to occur after March 2016, and Jon's has to occur sometime after.

I came up with my headcanons for their birthdays long before I got to the birthday party flashback episode, but I think they still track! I heacanon Martin's birthday to be on June 25, 1987, a Cancer and pride month baby. And Jon's is on Oct 23, 1987, a Scorpio and spooky baby. Reasoning for my zodiac choices:

• Cancer: caring and providing/selfless, needing connection to find identity, and is capable of manipulating emotion as much as offering emotional empathy generously • Scorpio: stubborn, restrains their own feelings, thrives in the dark of the psyche, hides sensitive center, emotions roll in like waves, depressive from diving too deep

[avoicebehindthestars]

@inhonoredglory I love all the analysis you've done :D I'm totally with you on Martin being a Cancer, although I personally hc Jon as a Virgo - very neat, obsessed with keeping things in order and following procedure, a bit distant emotionally.

Mind you, I'm not trying to argue with you or invalidate your proposal! This is just my personal take and neither of us really has an upper ground here :)

Genuinely curious - how did you arrive at the exact dates (25th and 23rd)? :)

[sizzypheanloop]

spoilers without context?

[avoicebehindthestars]

🤣

Okay, that caption is gold!

[mouthfulofplanets]

About GO3, because apparently I'm still not over it

So, before I even start, I haven't tagged this anti go3, and that's deliberate. I don't think this post is 'anti', but it will include some of my rambling thoughts about how the finale didn't work for me, but could have. That said, I don't want to piss in anyone's chips, so if alternate endings are not what you want to read, scroll on.

Anyway.

Its been said a million times before, but I'll say it again, what we needed was more of Aziraphale and Crowley in accord, working together, on their own side once again. But how could this have made the finale less tragic (for me personally) without changing the fundamentals of what happened at the end?

Well, what if we had the same ending, but it wasn't tragic? What if it was defiant? Anarchistic? What if Aziraphale and Crowley made the decision to end the Universe together, completely in accordance, not out of despair, but out of gleeful, manic fucking RAGE? With the same energy as Crowley refusing to let the Bentley burn on the M25? You think you've won, God? You haven't, we win again! We found the lady, here you are, and you're giving us a choice. Damn straight we're using that choice. You think we could never exist again? Oh, we're not so sure of that. We'll pop up again, no doubt.

I want them defiant in the face of tragedy, joyful in the loophole they've found. And most importantly, making that decision TOGETHER. Preferably with Joshua and Adam too.

There's even a line from the book they could have borrowed that would have been perfect. Nice knowing you, Aziraphale says to Crowley, here's to the next time, Crowley responds. Kiss/hug here optional, universe explodes. Sad.

But then, when we see Asa and Anthony, we KNOW its them. Not just lookalikes. Them, here, just as they knew they would be. Because they won, of course.

[avoicebehindthestars]

That's exactly what I've been saying from the moment I saw it! I hate the become-human trope, but what hurts way more was that they never reconciled, there was no care, understanding or softness between them!

[sizzypheanloop]

this is how I imagine W btw

[avoicebehindthestars]

Canon! 🤣

[sizzypheanloop]

You think the horror of this episode was the whole alchemist mutare materia bit? No no no, it was Gwen getting bounced around government helplines searchling for guidance.

[avoicebehindthestars]

Accurate 😂

[protocolmemaybe]

[avoicebehindthestars]

OMFG XD

[g3ck0o]

WE FINALLY GOT TO HEAR SOME GOOD COWS

[avoicebehindthestars]

I swear I laughed sooo hard when I realised it was a cow XD

[gingiekittycat]

Having looked through a lot of the discourse now it seems many of the arguments on whether or not the New Final 15 was "good" have to do with whether or not someone thinks a "soul" is what makes a person who they are, or if it's their memories and lived experiences. And I'm finding it fascinating actually

[avoicebehindthestars]

Good point, indeed. Though, if you don't mind me adding - it also depends on whether you're ND and found representation in them. Because while Aziracrow (and most supernatural entities in GO) were very ND-coded, Asanthony were not. At all. So, for people like myself, the epilogue is saying: "You only get to live happily in this world if you change/mask/medicate enough to pass for neurotypical".

And that's a fucking disgusting message.

[yoites-blog]

Read an opinion piece about GO3 today, and it made me realise something: the thing that annoyed me the most about GO3 wasn't actually how it ended.

I'm a sucker for angst and sad/bittersweet endings (think Pan's Labyrinth - a perfect film with a perfect ending that certainly isn't happy), so, actually, as I was watching GO3, the ending was the part I enjoyed the most because at least it resonated with me, on some level. Though later I read many very well thought-out metas pointing out how the ending contradicted the core themes of GO1/the book, as well as genre expectations, and I agree with those assessments. But at the time of watching, I thought the ending was still the best part of the film.

So the reason I hate GO3 is not that it had a sad ending. It's the absolutely atrocious build-up to that ending. Literally from the first minutes of the film I was staring at my screen in discombobulation, wondering what the hell I was watching. Nothing made sense. The dialogues were terrible. The characterisations were terrible. Even the acting was terrible. It felt like I was watching an involuntary parody of Good Omens. There was none of the charm of GO1, none of the warmth or wit. Aziraphale and Crowley behaved like strangers. Random new side characters appeared without any discernible point to their existence. Even the sets looked so empty and devoid of life. It was just sad to witness.

So yeah, I might have been able to enjoy the ending, with a more meaningful framing ("we want a world where supernatural forces can't interfere with humans" rather than all that "free will" nonsense)...were it not for everything preceding the ending being so very, very awful in every way.

[avoicebehindthestars]

I'm in both camps. What I hated the most was that they never reconciled, that they were toxic and mean towards each other almost the entire time, so the tenderness at the tree actually came out of nowhere.

I'm a sucker for tragic endings. What I hate about this one is how it gaslights the viewer into claiming to be a happy one when it obviously isn't. Choosing dearth because the price for their existence would be a world doomed to destruction? Yes please! Choosing death because they feel hopeless, depressed and defeated, and then two-dimensional facsimiles enacting a happy ending that they were deprived of? Fuck off, no!!