Ethical fur from Finland? What a fucking joke.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are spewing misinformation and propaganda. Iâm a native ostrobothnian whoâs lived in Finlandâs fur farming zone their entire life and what you are saying is bullshit. Iâve seen hundreds of fur farms and Iâm forced to see them every time I leave town. 95% of the countryâs fur farms are located where I live.
Our fur farms are far from ethical and have been a topic of discussion for decades. They are a stain on our reputation, not only for ostrobothnia but Finland as a whole.
Since you didnât provide any sources to your false claims, I went to https://www.sustainablefur.com/animal-welfare/ and the Finnish farm they showcased is located in Oravainen, VĂśyri. A lot of information provided in the short and sweet video is in fact incorrect, and the entire presentation reeks of propaganda (showcasing pretty landscapes the animals will never be allowed to live in, etc.) Also sidenote: itâs not all pretty and clean - fur farms are covered in waste, animals are clearly distressed and injured, and the piles of skinned dead animals. It's a sickening sight for a child to randomly stumble upon. Personal experience.
First of all the video claims fur farming sees a lot of political support which is false. Fur farming is very much frowned upon by most parties and only gets support from the right, parties ranging from right-of-center to far-right. (X)
The video also talks of supposed revenue which is also not entirely true, as the industry is only kept alive by government funding. Fur farming is one of the least profitable industries in Finland and the numbers farmers throw out are greatly exaggerated. (sources Iâve linked below delve deeper into this.)
Foxes are selectively bred to be massive with little to no regard for their health and well-being. These giant foxes (jättiketut) have gained notoriety abroad for many years from multiple fur farms. Here is an article: (X) but you can just google âgiant foxes finlandâ or alternatively âmonster foxes finlandâ to learn and see more. And no, the farms which practice the breeding of these animals are not outliers.
You really had the nerve to say not to believe anything that animal rights groups say whilst believing fur farming propaganda. Fur farmers are liars and they get exposed time and time again about everything. This short documentary is unfortunately in Finnish but it paints a good picture of all the lies and corrupt politics that are involved in creating the false image of this dying industry: (X)
I personally trust the videos and photos that have come out of investigations not only because fur farmers themselves have accidentally leaked not-so-nice things about their sick animals, but also because Iâve seen farms up close and have also met fur farmers in a casual setting. To say they donât care about their animals is an understatement. Fur farmers have everything to gain from lying through their teeth and groups such as Oikeutta eläimille have everything to lose from exposing the suffering of animals and the blatant disregard of animal welfare laws that the farmers only claim to practice. /I/ have nothing to gain from responding to this post. You do not get to disregard my experience, you biased and ill-informed foreigner who knows nothing about my land or the subject at hand.
And while you clearly donât care about the wellbeing of caged animals, not the mention all the thousands of wild birds fur farmers are allowed to kill in their ineffective attempts at controlling the avian influenza (X) & (X), I hope you at least care for the humans involved; which not only includes farmers but the entire country and possibly the whole world.
Which brings me to the topic of the aforementioned avian influenza (X). I bet you didnât even know about what is currently happening on multiple fur farms at this very moment, considering how you have not done any amount of research beyond websites that confirm your biases with their false presentations.
Avian influenza has been found in 25 fur farms a and five mutations of the virus. 13 of these 25 fur farms have been shut down by the government and a total of 120 000 animals have been so far put down at the moment of writing this post (23.8.2023) (X).
And does this come as a surprise to anyone when fur farmers were caught lying about following COVID-19 regulations such as wearing masks and gloves?
Oh yeah and ostrobothnia is a developing region, and weâve had shortages of funding in many aspects of the public sector my entire life, which can be seen in lack of health care services, and unfinished construction projects, poor road maintenance etc. while money is being flushed down the drain by the fur farming industry. It's gone on for so long that banks are now retracting their support for fur farms by denying them any further loans.
Fur farming contributes very little in taxes to begin with - most of the taxes coming in is income tax from individual workers who would be paying the same amount regardless of who their employer is (even people on unemployment pay approximately the same amount of taxes). The amount of money fur farms contribute to Finland in taxes is negligible in comparison to the amount of money that is spent keeping them afloat. During the pandemic, the amount Finland paid in COVID-19 subsidies to keep fur farms alive was roughly the same what Netherlands spent in compensation to farmers to end fur farming. It would be far more cost effective for the public sector to spend the money it takes to close down fur farms, reimburse farmers and find new employment for their workers, than it is now to continuously spend money keeping the dying industry afloat.
For sources and more information about the financial impact of fur farming in Finland and evidence-based discussion of ways to move away from it without sacrificing the well-being of the people employed by it, you can check out this research paper done as a part of the ORSI project (pdf): (X)
How can you in good conscience look at these animals living their entire short lives in wire cages (which are less than a single square meter) and claim their torture is ethical or humane?
âWelFur certifiedâ means very little, when the criteria they list doesn't even meet basic animal welfare standards as it was built around the existing industry practices, instead of figuring out what would be best for the animals. Also WelFur only gives farms a blanket rating based on points scored in individual aspects of care so a farm that doesn't meet their welfare standards in one area can still receive a good overall rating - which is by design. Not to mention Luova, the third-party regulatory body that oversees the auditing of finnish fur farms, is partially owned (38%) by the Finnish Fur Breeders' Association - so the certification is really nothing more than a little badge the fur farming industry gives itself to improve their image (something they've boasted about themselves). Fur farming and animal welfare are incompatible, as proven by Sweden where enforcing actual animal welfare standards on farmed foxes resulted in foxes being given up as a farmed fur animal because it stopped being profitable. (X)
If you donât trust Fur Free Alliance as a source (for caring about animals, which you donât like), you can go look at the sources they cite in their paper. Which they know how to provide, unlike you. I personally wouldnât disregard them or any other similar coalition as a source, because whether you like it or not, the topic of fur farming is indeed social justice and I donât trust the oppressor. You need to provide actual hard evidence if you want people to take your claims seriously.
There have been countless investigations and secretly filmed material from fur farms, and you genuinely think ARAs have faked all of them? Even the check-ups and investigations done to enforce regulations? Do you really think people/organisations have their own animals to torture and kill for fake videos? Where the hell are they getting the budget to build all these replicas and where are they getting all the animals from? When I saw fur farms up close and spoke with workers, were they all fake, too?
Putting Finnish fur farms on a pedestal means that the bar is so low itâs nonexistent.
And donât you fucking start talking about indigenous people in context of finnish fur farms. Why donât you buy pelts directly from indigenous people? Why are you buying imported pelts from Finland?
And in similar vein, fur farming as an industry here is only about 100 years old, and is nothing like how pelts used to be harvested: my ancestors were hunter-gatherers and pelts were highly valued, and there were ceremonies related to honoring the souls of the animal. This shit show is a mockery of our native tradition, and if youâd actually want to support said culture, then this is not the way. It's just capitalism and animal abuse.
You often complain about ARAs caring more about animals than humans but in this situation we have to grow up surrounded by fur farms and deal with them draining our tax money, and now worry about avian influenza spreading into our community from our fucking backyard, all so you can get your "ethically farmed fur". You donât care for animals or humans, and you are scum and should be ashamed of spreading misinformation in support of this disgusting industry. You have proven yourself a biased and terrible so-called âeducatorâ which means this will be the only time Iâll ever indulge in this topic (or in conversation) with someone like you.
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