I don't ship midnightjester there i said it, but I mean, moon is aroace, so it would be weird for him to date not saying aroace people can't date but we're talking about fictional characters not real people let aroace people have there reps
Hey TSAMSers. Why are we erasing/overriding Moon's canon sexuality??? To ship him with a character we've known for all of ten minutes? /GenQ
Obviously this does not apply to AUs. But I've seen several people now shipping canon Moon (aroace) with Carmine.
Weren't we all just mad about the potential erasure of Moon's aroace-ness less than a year ago?? And now you're doing it yourselves????? Also this isn't an attack on anyone, just. I'm perplexed.
Also obviously this doesn't apply to queerplatonic but all the posts I've seen have been presumably romantic
Personally I think there's a big difference between what the source material does and what the fans make. I don't need to stick to a single characterization or headcanon or whatever because I'm not making a formal story, just making silly drawings about hypotheticals. The source material, however, should be as consistent as possible. That should be a proper story that follows its own rules, don't you think?
I think the issue with Moon's sexuality was less "people can never change their sexuality or identity!" or even "respect the characters sexuality or you don't respect real people!!", I was more bothered by the optics of Moon being a sociopath and how that was what made him a bad person and fixing that would magically redeem him because now he has feelings and empathy 🥺🥺🥺 and of course, while we're curing his mental issues he's not going to be aroace anymore! Because now he won't be a terrible person! Yay! 🥰
I understand that this perspective was a bit reactive, and that the writers most likely never even thought people could read the situation that way. It wasn't intentional, it's whatever. It's their story anyways, so they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean people won't get upset over their Blorbo getting butchered by canon. (And being upset doesn't excuse harassment btw, nor does expressing a negative opinion count as harassment.)
Still, as much as I like shipping Moon, an aroace character, I don't want the canon material to entertain that. I would hope people can separate what goes on in the show and what some Tumblr user is making?? Just like I would hope people understand that Sun fnaf and Sun tsams are vastly different characters!
I think fandoms are for having fun with the source material, whether that means replicating it, expanding on it or making the most incomprehensible art about it.
It's hard for me to communicate succinctly, so I often end up losing nuance when I try to shorten my posts. That is to say, I agree with everything you've said here.
My comparison was not to say the canon and fan content are equivalent, nor to even call it hypocritical, per se. This is going to be unfathomably long because I'm trying to elaborate and clearly articulate my thoughts.
I also try to admit when I'm wrong, so I will admit here that I have since seen a couple of people clarify they ship it in a (queer)platonic sense. I have no way of knowing whether people are shipping it romantically or queerplatonically because I can't read minds. I assumed it was romantic in some cases due to phrasing and framing, but it was not really explicitly stated.
So I COULD be complaining about a problem that's actually much smaller(/virtually nonexistent) than I initially thought lmao.
And that is kind of why my original post was more of a question than meant to be an accusation or hate or anything. I was wondering if there was something I was missing. Regardless of that, even if 0 people were shipping them romantically, I do want to expand on why I dislike the idea of romantically shipping canon Moon. Since I already made the first post.
TL;DR for anyone who doesn't want to read the ramble below: Amatonormativity sucks and I hate seeing it perpetuated. Not just surrounding Moon, but in several ways. Not hating the shippers of any form.
My point was more so that it seemed as though people valued Moon's aroace identity. Yet if people are ignoring it entirely just to (romantic) ship, that to me seems contradictory to valuing his orientation.
That's not to say these people are denying or dislike his canon aroaceness, but more that it's secondary to their desire to ship, if that makes sense.
I will also confess it is somewhat personal to me because I'm aroace. I'm 0-attraction, sex-repulsed, romance-repulsed. Same as Moon. (Correct me if Moon is more sex/romance neutral but IIRC he's repulsed/negative.)I'm secure in my sexuality, but I do still find amatonormativity supremely frustrating. Aroace characters are Always shipped in Every fandom, because people don't care about erasure of aroace people like they care about erasure of homo/bi/pan people. (Don't take that as hostility towards queer allos; I'm just trying to point out aroace people are often treated as different from/'not as queer as' other orientations.)
Most people don't bother to depict queerplatonic, or even just-platonic (or even other tertiary attractions!) partnerships for aroace people, they just want to see romance. Speaking of queerplatonic, that's what's even more strange to me, because it's like. Okay you want to see Carmine and Moon (or any other aroace character) cuddle and kiss. Queerplatonic partners can do that! Hell, friends can do that, if they choose.
Thus I really don't see why it'd ever be necessary to ship it as a romantic relationship, other than they prefer romance for romance's sake. Which is, again, amatonormativity.
Sorry to ramble this is an important topic to me lmao. Aroace people rarely get representation, and when we do, fandoms immediately disregard it because they care more about romance.
And again this is not to say romantic Midnightjester shippers are(or would be, if we're talking hypothetically. Idk how many of them actually exist.) bad people or anything like that. It's just that I find it distasteful. I doubt people even think about the fact Moon, or any other aroace character, is aroace when shipping, but that's kind of my point; aroace people are an afterthought (if thought at all) to the general population, even in queer spaces.
Hey TSAMSers. Why are we erasing/overriding Moon's canon sexuality??? To ship him with a character we've known for all of ten minutes? /GenQ
Obviously this does not apply to AUs. But I've seen several people now shipping canon Moon (aroace) with Carmine.
Weren't we all just mad about the potential erasure of Moon's aroace-ness less than a year ago?? And now you're doing it yourselves????? Also this isn't an attack on anyone, just. I'm perplexed.
Also obviously this doesn't apply to queerplatonic but all the posts I've seen have been presumably romantic
Just realised I'm only following like 3 of the TSAMS artists I've been liking for months... My bad chat I forget the follow button exists . going to search and follow now LMAO
EHAT THE HELL I HAVEN'T WATCHED A RUIN EPISODE WITH VOLUME UP IN A WHILE. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS VOICE!!!! WHERE DID HIS FEMININITY AND PITCHINESS GO HELLO ????
Did he get a new voicebox with his new design and I somehow missed that or did they just randomly decide to ?? ?
Watched the new episode but got distracted by drawing oops
Anyway my thoughts!!! Long rant warning, I'll put a divider halfway as to not clog the tags. I am pleasantly surprised to see that the Moon Haven didn't pull any tricks. I wonder if they're going to show more morally questionable behaviour later, or if they're going to be pretty okay....
On the other hand I feel as though it sets a very dangerous precedent. Because Sun didn't argue, and nothing happened this time, Moon might decide it's fine to lever his judgment over Sun even more in the future, because hey!! It was harmless last time, right? Sun's autonomy doesn't matter because it will work out fine anyway. /sarc
Besides that, hearing Sun's descriptions was very interesting!! And, this is just my opinion/theory, but at roughly 12:05 when he detects the other shard, I found the way he seemed to lose his ability to speak interesting, as well as the stupor after. Obviously he was in pain, but,, I think he might've gone into a trance again? Like he did with the dragon?
Also Head Scientist Moon (idk if he has a name) saying "He didn't say anything!!" at 13:50 kind of annoyed me because. Was the way Sun was babbling incoherently not heavily implying he COULDN'T say anything?? Because that's immediately what I thought
ALSOO I wonder if the wither energy had anything to do with the hydraulics suddenly busting? Sun is clearly connecting to that energy in some way, since he detects and reacts to it, so could it be he is physically on top of mentally? Like he's drawing in or channeling a fraction of the energy in some way, which was reflected into the machine he was in, thus breaking it??!? Idk
Anyway good episode in general!! One of the more engaging ones out of the recent episodes IMO. I'm excited to see where all this goes
And as usual comments and comment reblogs are encouraged!! I love seeing what other people think and discussing it, ramble freely in my replies
You say this like there's any chance of him actually learning his lesson /lh
He was supposed to have learned his lesson during their recent big argument where Moon unlocked his emotions. But as we can see, he did not. Or at least not good enough.
I can't speak on how much he's improved in general because honestly my interest wavered for a few months so I have not seen the majority of the recent episodes. But regardless of that he clearly didn't get it all the way, and tbh I have my doubts he ever will
Watched the new episode but got distracted by drawing oops
Anyway my thoughts!!! Long rant warning, I'll put a divider halfway as to not clog the tags. I am pleasantly surprised to see that the Moon Haven didn't pull any tricks. I wonder if they're going to show more morally questionable behaviour later, or if they're going to be pretty okay....
On the other hand I feel as though it sets a very dangerous precedent. Because Sun didn't argue, and nothing happened this time, Moon might decide it's fine to lever his judgment over Sun even more in the future, because hey!! It was harmless last time, right? Sun's autonomy doesn't matter because it will work out fine anyway. /sarc
Besides that, hearing Sun's descriptions was very interesting!! And, this is just my opinion/theory, but at roughly 12:05 when he detects the other shard, I found the way he seemed to lose his ability to speak interesting, as well as the stupor after. Obviously he was in pain, but,, I think he might've gone into a trance again? Like he did with the dragon?
Also Head Scientist Moon (idk if he has a name) saying "He didn't say anything!!" at 13:50 kind of annoyed me because. Was the way Sun was babbling incoherently not heavily implying he COULDN'T say anything?? Because that's immediately what I thought
ALSOO I wonder if the wither energy had anything to do with the hydraulics suddenly busting? Sun is clearly connecting to that energy in some way, since he detects and reacts to it, so could it be he is physically on top of mentally? Like he's drawing in or channeling a fraction of the energy in some way, which was reflected into the machine he was in, thus breaking it??!? Idk
Anyway good episode in general!! One of the more engaging ones out of the recent episodes IMO. I'm excited to see where all this goes
And as usual comments and comment reblogs are encouraged!! I love seeing what other people think and discussing it, ramble freely in my replies
WHATTTT MOON HAVEN EPISODE TODAY ???? I thought we were going to get a Valentine's special today and the Moon Haven episode tomorrow tbh . About to watch and will post thoughts
The fact Sun was immediately upset at Monty sending Titan after Star-Sun but seemingly didn't fight at all about Moon deciding things for him and sending him off to somewhere potentially very dangerous... SUN STAND UP !!!
Me when I tell myself I need to start posting regularly for the thousandth time, knowing damn well I'm going to make three posts and then disappear for months again
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