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I don't ship midnightjester there i said it, but I mean, moon is aroace, so it would be weird for him to date not saying aroace people can't date but we're talking about fictional characters not real people let aroace people have there reps
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Hey TSAMSers. Why are we erasing/overriding Moon's canon sexuality??? To ship him with a character we've known for all of ten minutes? /GenQ
Obviously this does not apply to AUs. But I've seen several people now shipping canon Moon (aroace) with Carmine.
Weren't we all just mad about the potential erasure of Moon's aroace-ness less than a year ago?? And now you're doing it yourselves????? Also this isn't an attack on anyone, just. I'm perplexed.
Also obviously this doesn't apply to queerplatonic but all the posts I've seen have been presumably romantic
Personally I think there's a big difference between what the source material does and what the fans make. I don't need to stick to a single characterization or headcanon or whatever because I'm not making a formal story, just making silly drawings about hypotheticals. The source material, however, should be as consistent as possible. That should be a proper story that follows its own rules, don't you think?
I think the issue with Moon's sexuality was less "people can never change their sexuality or identity!" or even "respect the characters sexuality or you don't respect real people!!", I was more bothered by the optics of Moon being a sociopath and how that was what made him a bad person and fixing that would magically redeem him because now he has feelings and empathy 🥺🥺🥺 and of course, while we're curing his mental issues he's not going to be aroace anymore! Because now he won't be a terrible person! Yay! 🥰
I understand that this perspective was a bit reactive, and that the writers most likely never even thought people could read the situation that way. It wasn't intentional, it's whatever. It's their story anyways, so they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean people won't get upset over their Blorbo getting butchered by canon. (And being upset doesn't excuse harassment btw, nor does expressing a negative opinion count as harassment.)
Still, as much as I like shipping Moon, an aroace character, I don't want the canon material to entertain that. I would hope people can separate what goes on in the show and what some Tumblr user is making?? Just like I would hope people understand that Sun fnaf and Sun tsams are vastly different characters!
I think fandoms are for having fun with the source material, whether that means replicating it, expanding on it or making the most incomprehensible art about it.
It's hard for me to communicate succinctly, so I often end up losing nuance when I try to shorten my posts. That is to say, I agree with everything you've said here.
My comparison was not to say the canon and fan content are equivalent, nor to even call it hypocritical, per se. This is going to be unfathomably long because I'm trying to elaborate and clearly articulate my thoughts.
I also try to admit when I'm wrong, so I will admit here that I have since seen a couple of people clarify they ship it in a (queer)platonic sense. I have no way of knowing whether people are shipping it romantically or queerplatonically because I can't read minds. I assumed it was romantic in some cases due to phrasing and framing, but it was not really explicitly stated.
So I COULD be complaining about a problem that's actually much smaller(/virtually nonexistent) than I initially thought lmao.
And that is kind of why my original post was more of a question than meant to be an accusation or hate or anything. I was wondering if there was something I was missing. Regardless of that, even if 0 people were shipping them romantically, I do want to expand on why I dislike the idea of romantically shipping canon Moon. Since I already made the first post.
TL;DR for anyone who doesn't want to read the ramble below: Amatonormativity sucks and I hate seeing it perpetuated. Not just surrounding Moon, but in several ways. Not hating the shippers of any form.
Hey TSAMSers. Why are we erasing/overriding Moon's canon sexuality??? To ship him with a character we've known for all of ten minutes? /GenQ
Obviously this does not apply to AUs. But I've seen several people now shipping canon Moon (aroace) with Carmine.
Weren't we all just mad about the potential erasure of Moon's aroace-ness less than a year ago?? And now you're doing it yourselves????? Also this isn't an attack on anyone, just. I'm perplexed.
Also obviously this doesn't apply to queerplatonic but all the posts I've seen have been presumably romantic
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Just realised I'm only following like 3 of the TSAMS artists I've been liking for months... My bad chat I forget the follow button exists . going to search and follow now LMAO
EHAT THE HELL I HAVEN'T WATCHED A RUIN EPISODE WITH VOLUME UP IN A WHILE. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS VOICE!!!! WHERE DID HIS FEMININITY AND PITCHINESS GO HELLO ????
Did he get a new voicebox with his new design and I somehow missed that or did they just randomly decide to ?? ?
Watched the new episode but got distracted by drawing oops
Anyway my thoughts!!! Long rant warning, I'll put a divider halfway as to not clog the tags. I am pleasantly surprised to see that the Moon Haven didn't pull any tricks. I wonder if they're going to show more morally questionable behaviour later, or if they're going to be pretty okay....
On the other hand I feel as though it sets a very dangerous precedent. Because Sun didn't argue, and nothing happened this time, Moon might decide it's fine to lever his judgment over Sun even more in the future, because hey!! It was harmless last time, right? Sun's autonomy doesn't matter because it will work out fine anyway. /sarc
Good new: we can get another sun and moon arguement and this time moon really see the consequences
You say this like there's any chance of him actually learning his lesson /lh
He was supposed to have learned his lesson during their recent big argument where Moon unlocked his emotions. But as we can see, he did not. Or at least not good enough.
I can't speak on how much he's improved in general because honestly my interest wavered for a few months so I have not seen the majority of the recent episodes. But regardless of that he clearly didn't get it all the way, and tbh I have my doubts he ever will
Watched the new episode but got distracted by drawing oops
Anyway my thoughts!!! Long rant warning, I'll put a divider halfway as to not clog the tags. I am pleasantly surprised to see that the Moon Haven didn't pull any tricks. I wonder if they're going to show more morally questionable behaviour later, or if they're going to be pretty okay....
On the other hand I feel as though it sets a very dangerous precedent. Because Sun didn't argue, and nothing happened this time, Moon might decide it's fine to lever his judgment over Sun even more in the future, because hey!! It was harmless last time, right? Sun's autonomy doesn't matter because it will work out fine anyway. /sarc
WHATTTT MOON HAVEN EPISODE TODAY ???? I thought we were going to get a Valentine's special today and the Moon Haven episode tomorrow tbh . About to watch and will post thoughts
The fact Sun was immediately upset at Monty sending Titan after Star-Sun but seemingly didn't fight at all about Moon deciding things for him and sending him off to somewhere potentially very dangerous... SUN STAND UP !!!
Me when I tell myself I need to start posting regularly for the thousandth time, knowing damn well I'm going to make three posts and then disappear for months again
Another valiant effort in my fat dark sun propaganda 🫡
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