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mike had the same film reel will did in the sorcerer playing through his head as he looked down at the basement where he and will grew up together btw
"take off your belt" sounds like something from heated rivalry, i actually can't belive they almost had mike say that
Three of my favorite ships.
I never talked about this before and probably never will again, but I'm very tired of seeing people say stuff along the lines of "Ronance is just Lesbyler." I feel like that's very reductive, unfair to both ships, and just straight up wrong. Like, please, let's just think about it for a single second.
When you really look just a little deeper than the superficial similarities, and actually pay attention to their actual dynamics, they are just two completely different ships.
To start, Byler are childhood friends, they grew up together and care deeply about each other since ever. Ronance only met later in life after Nancy had already lost her best friend, Barb. A loss that Nancy carries in her back like a cross and makes it harder for Nancy to open up to a friendship with Robin.
If you really think about it, the dynamic and the development of Byler throughout the show is much more similar to Barb's and Nancy's storyline.
In season 1 Nancy was trying to fit in, she was dating Steve Harrington, and Barb was feeling left behind, much like Byler on season 3 and 4, where Mike is trying to focus in his relationship with El, and Will feels left behind.
I think Mike is aware, one way or another, of Will's and his own queerness, and being deeply repressed himself he pushes Will away, which I believe is more or less what was going on with Nancy in season 1. I don't believe Nancy ever really liked Steve, I think she started to go out with him because part of her was aware she was different and that scared her a lot, so when the king of the school started to hit on her, she just jumped at the opportunity to blend in, and in that effort she ended up pushing Barb away.
By the time Nancy meets Robin, though I think her deeply repressed queerness still plays a part on what keeps them apart, that's not the biggest rift between them on Nancy's part. The biggest rift is that Nancy thinks she is to blame for everything that happened with Barb, and she doesn't want to repeat the cycle by letting Robin in. Nancy has a big guilt complex and she feels like if she let's anyone be that close to her again, then she will end up "killing" them the same way she "killed" Barb.
Robin can't be the Will of Nancy's Mike, because Nancy's Will is already dead and she thinks it's all her fault.
Will and Robin are also in different steps of their queer journey, and also, in totally different queer journeys altogether. Though there are overlaps, we can't forget that gays and lesbians face different experiences. Experiences that also intersect with different gender expectations and dynamics. Even if we were to make the comparison using Lesbyler instead of Byler, just the fact that Will and Mike have different personalities than Robin and Nancy would already make things different. But let's not dive too deep into that because I don't wanna turn this into some kind of gender studies essay, I'm not even qualified to do so.
Anyway. Throughout the show we se Will grow up and discover himself, he is still in his baby gay era, falling in love with his best friend, having to deal with his first romantic heartbreak by seeing Mike choosing El over him. In comparison, by the time we meet Robin, and the time she officialy meets Nancy, Robin is already completely aware of her sexuality, she is already in another step of her journey, Nancy is not Robin's first love or crush. The foundation of their relationship is totally different from Byler's foundation. By the time Robin starts to catch feelings for Nancy (In my interpretation of Ronance's timeline, ofc), there's a lot of other stuff happening–that goes beyond the whole guilt over being in love with a "straight" friend and feeling like a creep–that makes Robin fight against that attraction and resist it instead nurturing it. She is best friends with Steve, Nancy's ex, who is clearly still interested in her, and who is also the guy Robin's first crush was obsessed with. Robin also has a second alternative, Vickie, who Steve is already supportive of, so it's a much safer option for her to pour her heart in, especially when you remember that Robin has to watch first hand how self-sacrificing Nancy is, and falling in love with someone who won't think twice about doing some stupid shit–like being bait for a monster a hundred times her height–must be really scary. She just can't afford to let her feelings for Nancy grow.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that in Byler's dynamic they are already close to each other and already have deep feelings for each other for way longer before the romantic feelings start and Will can't help but to keep nuturing his affection because he's a sensitive boy and that's his first experience with romantic love, while Mike is trying to repress it and keep Will at arms length because he just can't deal with it.
While in Ronance both parts are trying to repress it and keep each other at arms length, trying not to catch feelings almost from the start of their relationship, and they are also failing miserably because they can't help but being close to each other because their magnetic fields keep pulling them together.
This is like, just a quick assessment of the differences that quickly come to my mind and there's a lot of others, including personality stuff, different drives, tastes and whatever, that I'm too lazy to really write about it now. The important thing that I wanted to take out of this is that, there's nothing weird about being invested in Ronance and not being in Byler, or vice-versa, because they are two different ships, with different dynamics, and even if they had more similar dynamics and the very same personalities, they would still have different plots and backstories surrounding them which also affects how the ship works, so you can like one and dislike other, or be indifferent to one and love the other. And it's alright to like both, neither or only one of them. I just feel like is not fair to any of the ships to treat them as if they were the same thing when they are not.
CHALLENGE TIME 💥💥💥💥💥
for the 10th anniversary of stranger things you MUST reblog this with 5 things that you actually enjoyed about season 5 and think were good choices.... then 5 things that you disliked about season 5.
my likes:
sorcerer flashback
that byler hug and will's whisper of "mike"
epilogue byler
will's friendships with girls
wrap it with ur jacket
dislikes:
henry being the most uninteresting loser villain of all time
will's SA in episode one purely being for shock value
keeping m11 ambiguous until the end
KILLING EL for mike's "development"
(theres so much more i could choose but) not killing off murray???
my likes:
The ending of sorcerer
2. Making the wheeler family a focus (although I wish they didn’t pick holly to be the main focus of the family)
3. Nancy’s breakdown in the bathroom
4. Max’s waking up scene (I cried)
5. Any byler scene
my major dislikes
El’s death
making mileven a couple despite having zero chemistry all season
Will’s coming out scene (I literally haven’t been able to rewatch it since Christmas)
bringing back and killing off kali
the Steve Jonathan Nancy love triangle bs
A typical Ronance summer consists of:
Accidentally falling asleep on Robin’s roof
Spraying each other with the garden hose when they’re supposed to be watering the flowers
Arguing over whether vanilla bean ice cream is a valid ice cream flavor (it’s Nancy’s favorite) (“Here’s your milk flavored milk. I asked them for extra tasteless flecks. Enjoy.” “Thank you, Robin, you’re so kind”)
Nancy finding out that Robin has taken kitchen scissors to another one of her old shirts (she’s not complaining)
Midnight drives with the windows down and Bowie on the radio
Nancy’s constant sunburns
The dark freckles that start to appear on Robin’s nose
Scraped knees
Coconut sunscreen
Box fans in window frames (carrying in the scent of hot asphalt and unmowed grass)
Hanging upside down from tree branches
Trying on the stupidest sunglasses
Apple flavored beer
Totally uncool jean shorts
Piggy-back rides
Damp hair ends and the smell of drying chlorine on skin
Frilly socks and dirty white Keds
Reading the same book side by side
First kisses pressed against big oak trees (and many more kisses after that, as well)
Me when I lie
oh...... haha
Stenchgate is real what do you mean we’re in the first 6 minutes and he has threatened to pee on the floor. This man is CRUSTY.
Stenchgate lore:
pls comment and rb more and i will add it
Mike has a stench so pungent from never showering ever in his life. at the age of 17 he has not showered in 20 years, except for in 1985 when he bikes thru the rain after will, giving the citizens or hawkins a short but needed respite.
his odor was so intense that will was brought to tears in the van and el lost her powers in s3 due to over exposure of the toxin. this is when joyce realized enough was enough and moved her family to california to escape The Stench. when mike began to make his way back to hawkins in s4, max got a wiff of him and immediately fell into a 18+ month coma
the mindflayer is actually a sentient cloud of mikes stench, meaning mikes lack of hygiene has a body count
in season 5, the shot of joyce in distress while mike lingers in the background is actually her praying to every god in existence for mike to get a shower
it is rumored that the shower represents homosexuality and this is why mike refuses to affiliate himself with on
the estimated radius of The Stench is aprox 2000 miles
vecna will be conquered with mikes Stench but we are unsure as to how
proof: x
I’ve always wondered if there was a lesbyler fic out there that’s basically the entire plot of stranger things but everyone is the opposite gender. Like I’m so curious as to how that would work and how the shift in gender roles would change the show, even though the personalities would stay somewhat the same. Hyperfeminine Michelle (as an attempt to overcompensate with her internalized homophobia), tomboy Willow, the concept of Hopper as a woman, Nancy as a man, etc.
And like I’ve always imagined it to be like the “canon” of lesbyler but like does a fic like that actually exist?? I’d actually want to read it so bad lol
No way the Duffers wrote this unserious ahh bs for the scene where El kills herself 💀 Matt and Ross... please do me a favor and never write again!
five big booms for el
how uncanny would it have been if the piss dimension looked EXACTLY like ours. they were preparing for a world no one had ever seen before, only to find green grass and blue skies, a place untouched by humanity
and when byler fic writers start referencing "take off ur belt" lmao i cant wait to do this
help I’m having ideas beyond my available free time
help I'm having ideas beyond my available energy levels