[joetheonemanshow]

I don’t get why people have done literally zero research about veganism love to argue with people who have spent years being vegan. Who have read books, googled everything, and are really passionate about a serious life long commitment.

[sebbysheepie]

I dont get why people that only read books and the internet and google things feel that its enough over people that live the life of a farmer and have for centuries in the family, everyday is spent with the animals, for the animals and will carry on being for the animals. We are serious with a lifelong passion to keep raising these creatures and care for them so to me thats more for the animals then just.. not eating them.

[corbinite]

Is it for the animals? Would you care for them if you didn’t get to eat them? If you didn’t get to sell them? If you didn’t get to force them to do what you wanted? Or are you the petit-bourgoise telling us that things are fine how they are because the prospect of societal change gives you an anxiety that the things you have control over will be taken away?

[acti-veg]

‘Don’t independently research things through objective sources like books and the internet, just listen to the subjective accounts of industry insiders themselves, the people with the most personal, social, emotional and financial incentive to have you view our industry and practices in favourable terms.’

I must say, while this is very often the implicit logic behind ‘listen to the farmers not the facts’ rhetoric, I can’t recall a time I’ve seen it spelled out quite so explicitly.

[mali-umkin]

Veganism is literally the only subject for which it is perfectly okay to say ‘the opinion of the industry exploiting the sentient beings in question is much more neutral and better informed than that of independent sources who gain literally nothing but public contempt and legal proceedings from their actions’.

[tea-withnofixinsplease]

Ntm the objective sources are not just random people, like a guy named Jerry chilling in his basement. We’re talking the IPCC, The U.N., Oxford, Anonymous Whistle blowers within the industry, Ex-Farmers, and people who risked jail time simply to leak live footage of what was happening behind those closed doors, and the largest public database of the study of medicine to date.

For Any Other social justice movement, this would be considered the obvious choice, but y'all choose to listen to Bolsonaro’s ilk because, hamburgers? That shit makes sense to you?

[vegance]

btw don’t listen to everything those climate scientists and activists tell you. find your local oil company or fracking site and ask them about it 🥰 these people spend ever day with their oil and have been doing so for generations. don’t fall for FFFs agenda !!!!1!1!!!! /s

[shoomlah]

Fossa fossa fossa

[1anonyymous1]

I hope 2023 is good to my mom

[scotianostra]

Auchenstarry Marina.

First wee outing of the year, caught a bus to Croy and a walk along the Forth & Clyde Canal, this is my pick of the phone pics, the mist lying just above the valley looked great, hopefully my camera picked up some good pics too.

[tonysopranobignaturals-deactiva]

Me walking my dog listening to Hot and Cold by Katy Perry (nightcore remix)

[pascalcampion]

In the dark I tend to wake up early because I like the dark. I tried making a little story to explain it. I love playing with sequential art. Not simply because I want to depict a sequence of event but mostly because I like trying to generate emotions through them. #pascalcampion

2019

[sandmandaddy69]

[ariesmarsinthe3rd]

videos like this keep my depression at a minimum

[sandmandaddy69]

[gaelicinternet]

Niteworks: “Somhairle”

Ever since I was a boy in Raasay and became aware of the differences between the history I read in books and the oral accounts I heard around me, I have been very sceptical of what might be called received history; the million people for instance who died in Ireland in the nineteenth century; the million more who had to emigrate; the thousands of families forced from their homes in the Highlands and Islands. Why was all that? Famine? Overpopulation? Improvement? The Industrial Revolution? Expansion overseas?

You see, not many of these people understood such words — they knew only Gaelic. But we know now another set of words: clearance, empire, profit, exploitation; and today we live with the bitter legacy of that kind of history.

Our Gaelic language is threatened with extinction, our way of life besieged by the forces of international big business, our countries beggared by bad communication, our culture is vitiated by the sentimentality of those who have gone away. We have, I think, a deep sense of generation and community but this has in so many ways been broken. We have a history of resistance but now mainly in the songs we sing. Our children are bred for emigration.

(faclan agus guth Shomhairle MhicGill-Eain)

chan ann gun adhbhar a bha Somhairle, sàr-bhàrd an 20mh linn, na chomannanch/shòisealach. // Somhairle MacGill-Eain/Sorley MacLean, the famous 20th-century Gaelic poet, was a communist/socialist for good reason.

[buglite]

no more gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss. Only touchstarved, transgender, trainwreck

[bd9wirksissbiska-deactivated202]

[planetaerium]

Hey! Zoology Msc student anon here. Thank you for being open to discussion. I do firmly believe animal rights is unscientific, and I stand by that. The main reason being that the movement is built largely on anthropomorphism. Animal rights relies on attributing human emotions to animals who are incapable of feeling them. In contrast, the welfare movement prioritizes the actual needs of the animals by assessing behaviours in accordance with existing ethograms in order to reduce stress and increase husbandry for animals. At the end of the day, zoology, conservation, and animal behaviour are all scientific disciplines. That’s why I, as a scientist in training, am inclined to learn about these things from scientists rather than activists. As humans we have so much to learn from animals - but if we project our emotions onto them, we are actually hindering our own education, because we are creating “feelings” that aren’t there.

Hi! (I have my bachelors and honours in Environmental Science and I’m a practising Ecologist in research over the last 4 years). I definitely see your point of reasoning, but as someone who considers themselves part of the animal rights movement, and who is also a scientist, I don’t believe it’s inherintely antiscience.

Rather than arguing that animals feel complex human emotions, I argue that they feel pain (there is definitely enough evidence for that) and fear. That is good enough for me. And that’s why I am in the animal rights movement for moral reasons. I don’t project my emotions onto them. I just give them my respect, and would like to give them back their rights to not be used by humans. Morally, I think humans should leave animals alone unless we are helping them. That has nothing to do with science

I also believe being pro-science and pro-animal rights is not mutually exclusive. The fact that I am pro animal-rights will never interfere with me being pro-science. Science was, after all, the reason I looked into animal rights to begin with, when I learned about the environmental effects of eating animals in highschool geography (modern industrial society I mean).

I think what you’re trying to say is that there are antiscience people within the animal rights movement. This I can agree with. I do get extremely frustrated with animal rights activists who DO argue with things that can come off as very antiscience or offensive to human rights issues, spilling out incorrect facts, etc. I always address these issues when they show (which is a lot of the time, ugh). It’s tough when these people are seen as the poster children of the movement too.

[thousand-antlers]

Anon your blatant denial of animal emotions and sentience is unscientific shut the fuck up. 

[jenecheru-deactivated20211122]

Soon graduating with an Environmental Science bachelors and 3 years of research in ecology, sustainable development, and Indigenous environmental justice, so I’ll also say Anon is full of it

Environmental sociology really digs into how anthropocentrism is a greater danger than anthropomorphism, because at the root of it this allows anyone to oppress those they don’t perceive as people. This has enough colonial and racist implications for a whole article, but for the topic, this is a major cause of industrial agriculture, environmental destruction, global warming, and every human made calamity.

If you take away the inherent value and personhood of individuals, they become objects in your eyes and it is now easier to exploit them. If you have a financial stake in it (husbandry), then welfarism is perfect because it centers your interests. This is why I defected from veterinary agriculture because the space is so human-centered and behind every “humane” practice was still the promise of making money.

It’s far more unscientific to to claim that cows and pigs are unable to feel sadness, happiness, fear, and pain. These feelings already exist.

“The welfare movement prioritizes the actual needs of the animals in order to reduce stress”… so long as they can still be exploited for human gain.

[sobadpink]

Yeah I also took a college program in animal husbandry in agriculture and anon is the one being unscientific here.

What anthropormophism is: “the horse likes to play dress-up in pink” / “This chicken thinks it’s a dog” / “wild python wants to give tourist kisses for saving it”

What anthropomorphism isn’t: a sentient animal feeling fear, pain, stress, anguish, anger, and/or confusion over being abused physically or psychologically

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[kingthembos]

[id: a tweet by @/wyattwillww1 that says,

"Vegans really are insane. Yes we get it, it's very easy to be vegan when daddy is giving you $10k a month allowance or you're getting $20k a month off your Patreon. Most people don't."

/id]

oh my god i've got to get out of this thread i'm going to lose it

[vegan-and-sara]

[gentlyweirdplanteatingcreature]

I buy all my food with benefits payments, thanks to the government for funding my veganism xo

[foulserpent]

i love when people make uquizzes where they try to be super judgmental but they accidentally just reveal too much information about their own personality and none of it is good