you're on your deathbed but you have energy to doubt that lesbians don't sleep with men. i swear you homophobes conjure up energy to be hateful for no reason
never said that, anyway
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@blackradandmad
you're on your deathbed but you have energy to doubt that lesbians don't sleep with men. i swear you homophobes conjure up energy to be hateful for no reason
never said that, anyway
i’m back for anyone who cares. things got a little too overwhelming on here for a second.
I’m so sorry about your seizures! That’s scary as fuck. I have reason to worry about strokes and it’s a big comfort to do the tests, and if I think I’m losing it I’ll also pick up my ukulele and do scales/play a song and it’s always a huge relief when I can. I wonder if you could pick something similar that would put your mind more at ease about not recovering from a seizure.
thank you so much! i'm also a musician so i'll try that next time :)
lmfao how can you engage with ppl who unironically say "Lesbians, true homosexual females, are incapable of willingly having sex with men." and think your ideology is fucking normal you psychopath. Have you never been a confused teenager
what? i agree that lesbians don't and can't willingly have sex with men, but okay.
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why you care
fun fact: this shirt was handed down to me by my mom; she bought it when she attended the nine inch nails’ further down the spiral tour in 1994 (the year before she got pregnant w lil ol me) where she decided to take four tabs of acid on a whim. about her experience, she quotes, “honestly, i was, like, kind of scared at times? but i think that was the point. it was fuckin nuts, dude.”
and i love her and i adore her and i’d die for her and i’d live for her but at the end of every day, nothing compares to the way you and you alone touch me
my experience with lupron/”puberty blockers”
i have severe endometriosis. i was diagnosed at 16 and had three major surgeries for it before i turned 19. i started birth control for my six weeks long, heavy, debilitating periods when i started having them at 12. by 19, i had tried every birth control under the sun (with no success) – except lupron. lupron, a gnrh agonist commonly used on males as a treatment for prostate cancer, on women in fertility treatments, on women with endometriosis, aaaaand yup, this is the exact same drug parents let be injected into girls with the euphemistic title of a “puberty blocker.” (i promise we’ll circle back to this hold on)
luckily, i live two hours away from one of the most accomplished endometriosis specialists/surgeon in the world, and he is so passionate about finding a cure or at least better treatments for women with endometriosis. he’s an obgyn but he literally doesn’t do the obstetrics part, he purely focuses on helping each woman find their best treatment for this disease. he has such a vast amount of knowledge on surgery techniques and surgical robots and different treatment options, and he is incredibly thorough when it comes to informed consent. if something could happen or has happened– positive, negative, or neutral– he will tell you about it. in detail. now this is important, because after decades of observing treatment effects and listening to women and researching side effects, his personal philosophy is that the lupron injection should be a last resort. like, after major surgery last resort. if a woman wants to try it first thing, he won’t stop her, buuuut after he gives her all the possible short and long term side effects, she usually is eager to explore other options.
(enter me) 19, three surgeries, dependent on opioid painkillers just to be able to get out of bed in the morning, and now, a fun new symptom! every time i begin to bleed, my heart develops an arrhythmia and i experience constant, burning chest pain. i begin to violently cough up blood. so, my endometriosis has spread to my lungs, may randomly cause my lungs to collapse at literally any moment, and i’ve exhausted all treatment options. except! lupron. the devil drug. the horror stories i heard from other women were insane, and that was just the short-term side effects. my doctor had to go through the process of explaining both short and long term side effects as i cried in the office chair because i knew that i had to take this drug. there was nothing else left for me, and things were getting worse. so i did. i was on it for a year. you want to know what that year was like?
i was suicidal, homicidal, and fell headfirst into the most severe and detrimental manic episode of my life. i experienced psychotic symptoms, and that along with the aforementioned symptoms led me to a week long stay at the psych ward. i did not have one day without severe joint and bone pain. i broke three bones, all while running or walking, when i had never broken a bone before. i’m already epileptic, but i had two hospital stays for uncontrollable tonic-clonic seizures while i was on it. i couldn’t sleep. i got night sweats and night terrors. i either couldn’t eat a thing or felt absolutely insatiable. regardless, i was always nauseous and got sick a lot. now, six years later, i still deal with worsening osteopenia, making me at high risk to develop osteoporosis. at 25. and the kicker is, it did shit-all for my endometriosis. it made me sick on top of sick on top of sick etc etc. and i’m not a rarity. men and women from all ages and all walks of life have experienced this and worse, and many people, like me, are still dealing with the fallout of it, years or even decades later. i do not believe this drug should be on the market for literally anything at all.
i was an adult and lupron gave me the worst fucking year of my life. and there are parents letting their HEALTHY children be injected with this at age 12, instead of realizing that if their child is so deeply afraid of puberty that they would rather take a decidedly harmful drug that essentially chemically castrates men and puts women in pseudo-menopause for years, let’s maybe try to work out the cause of that fear in some therapy sessions and group art classes and getting involved in sports or something. i can imagine that it’s pushed at gender clinics without touching on the negative effects too much because, well, lupron drugmakers and salespeople have a history of bribing prescribing doctors with trips, fancy dinners, resorts, or straight up telling a doctor they could earn $100K extra a year just by prescribing lupron to their patients. they went to court and were fined $875,000,000 for it, although i’m sure that’s pocket change for a company who profited $826,000,000 off the drug in 2015 alone, and i doubt they cleaned up their act. if a doctor is willing to give a female child lupron simply because she doesn’t “feel like a girl,” while being completely or even just half-way aware of all the negative side effects of it and backlash it’s received in the medical community, they might as well smear their own shit on the hippocratic oath they swore on, and they should probably give up their license while they’re at it.
Bullshit.
what part is bullshit? my diagnosis? the detailed description of my medical history and surgeries and treatments that i provided for context, hoping people like you could sympathize with a person undergoing what should be known as medical malpractice? or was it the part about my endometriosis spreading to my lungs with the ever-lingering possibility of lung collapse that gives me constant health paranoia?
or was the story of my side effects bullshit? the story about how i had a year of my life taken from me with side effects that have literally been noted by people who research and thousands of people who’ve been given this drug?
because if so, it’s REALLY, REALLY fucked up for ANYONE to dismiss a black woman’s healthcare and issues and concerns, especially when they’re reproductive health issues! do you have any idea of the relationship between sadistic white male “gynecologists” and the slave women, my literal ancestors, that they’d use as “test subjects” for things like, oh i dunno, having to receive random ass major surgeries with no anesthetic while completely nude on the stage of an observatory theatre? are you familiar with the concept of epigenetic trauma? do you understand that the dehumanization and torture of black women in the founding days of modern gynecology STILL shapes racial biases in healthcare that literally cause preventable injuries, complications, and deaths of black women to happen? you must be out ya goddamned mind to read a black woman’s traumatic female healthcare experience and muster up all that fucking nerve, gall, and audacity to make a useless piece of shit garbage comment like that. all that vulnerability, all that sharing, and you are such a fucking sociopath that you cannot even muster up fake sympathy, or better yet, leave me the fuck alone like i told you before.
see, you may have hit a fucking nerve with yr “bullshit” comment, but yr not fucking special. yr dismissiveness of my lived, real, documented, diagnosed aligns perfectly with the attitude of nearly every white male doctor i’ve encountered. from 12 years old, my serious physical health symptoms were essentially given the “bullshit” response. and it’s continued on since. but im not 12 anymore. i am a grown ass woman who knows and has meticulous documents of every treatment and surgery i’ve ever received along with personal dated journals describing its effects, which is actually what i referenced when talking about my experience with lupron, and some dummy on the internet isn’t going to trigger me into a spiral of traumatic healthcare-based memories and experiences.
and the funniest thing is even if this was bullshit (for whatever reason... i have nothing to gain being vehemently against a multi billion dollar big pharma bigwig lmfao), even if you were right, it wouldn’t fucking matter! because if you google around to find places where both men and women share their experiences with lupron, most of it looks eerily similar to this, including similar long term effects. it’s almost like, having being given the drug is the one common factor that ties together the hundreds of thousands of people reporting the same or similar torturous health issues. fuckin crazy how that works.
i literally had the most severe tonic-clonic seizure i've ever had yesterday. i had no aura, no warning, one moment i'm grabbing my son's pajamas out of his closet, the next thing i remember is regaining my vision and hearing slowly and being unable to control my seizing body. it slowed down after some time, i have no idea how long i was in that half-conscious state bc my sense of time is seriously warped rn, but like... this one took a toll on my body and mind big time. physically, my brain literally hurts, like not my head, it feels like my brain fell victim to an electrical fire (which is a pretty good epileptic seizure analogy imo). the side of my tongue was bitten to shreds, my whole body is sore from seizing, i obviously kicked the door frame during my seizure bc my big toe is swollen and aches down to my ankle. but goddamn, the cognitive symptoms. like, i know i have epilepsy. but rn i'm literally just so confused, like, my stream of consciousness rn is like: what the fuck was that, did i just have a seizure ??? am i okay is this the one that's gonna permanently turn me into a fucking idiot ???? i literally feel so stupid like i cannot comprehend anything that is happening even though quite literally nothing is happening. clearly i can type coherently but i can't verbalize a non-word salad sentence for the life of me. it feels like i am not in control of what comes out when i open my mouth. i'm also desperately thirsty, so fucking exhausted but it also feels like my brain was dropped into a bucket of ice so i can't sleep?? do i have memories or an identity bc it doesn't feel like it right now. *spontaneous fit of crying for absolutely no apparent reason*
i’m fine with gold stars feeling pride about being a gold star, but when it’s used as a moral judgment or arbiter of ideological purity for all lesbians, i think it’s pretty obvious how that rhetoric could be harmful to some.
I don’t think a lot of y'all know what morality and ideological purity are
Lesbianism is not an ideology and being a lesbian is not about morals. So saying someone is not a lesbian is not ideological purity, and very rarely is it a morality judgment (and it’s only a morality judgment if the person thinks lesbianism is a set of morals which those women do not believe)
if yr referring to me in yr first sentence, i know what those words and phrases mean, and i specifically used them because of that.
of course being a lesbian isn’t about morals and it’s not an ideology in and of itself, but i was discussing how certain takes by and about gold stars have some implications of that. to elaborate, in this “only gold stars are real lesbians” rhetoric, it sort of frames it as such. i doubt any gold star is viewing lesbians who’ve had relations with men as immoral, but i’ve seen a lot of takes by people with a super holier-than-thou attitude about it that they’ve externalized and applied to people outside themselves (with wildly different cultures and experiences and traumas) that could be read by someone as a judgment of morals and character. i’ve seen takes that make it look like people are building a shoddy ideology around being a gold star lesbian, applying that standard to everyone, and (incorrectly) calling genuine lesbians bisexuals.
Saying that only goldstars are actual lesbians doesn’t frame homosexuality as being about morality or ideology, it frames it as being about biology. Sexual orientation is a biological thing that exists in our bodies and that can be observed through our behaviour. If someone doesn’t act in a way that’s consistent with homosexuality, then the evidence shows that they’re not a homosexual.
What makes someone a lesbian is that they’re a female homosexual. Someone’s internal identity, what they call themselves, who they subjectively consider themselves attracted to and consider themselves to be, etc. are literally irrelevant. If you don’t fit the biological definitions of female and homosexual, then you aren’t one. Lesbians, true homosexual females, are incapable of willingly having sex with men. It’s not in our nature. If you’re able to willingly have heterosexual intercourse, then you’re demonstrably not a homosexual.
yeah, i understand that and i also agree that if someone is attracted to women but can also have sex with a man then they’re not a lesbian. i’m not talking about women who “try” sex with men multiple times but still can’t admit they’re bisexual. i’m talking about genuine lesbians who have had any intimacy with a man because it seemed like the only possible choice while being under so much weight of cultural/religious/familial/societal pressures, scrutiny, and/or actual threats to their safety. is it a choice they made? yes. doesn’t mean it was enjoyed or even necessarily wanted, and it should be looked at in context, with nuance, and an understanding that that can and does happen for a lot of women and it doesn’t automatically negate their lesbianism.
i think theres even more to it than that. heterosexual sex is often framed as transactional: have sex with this man/date this man to have these material gains (money, housing, drugs, etc). a woman can be homosexual and engage in het sex for a multitude of reasons and multiple times due to whatever these reasons are.
especially w how sex positive rhetoric has been spreading over the pass 10yrs or so, it isn’t uncommon for a young, impressionable and/or desperate woman to engage in het sex in order to acquire money, a place to live, expensive gifts, drugs, alcohol, etc
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this feels like an important time to bring this back
my experience with lupron/”puberty blockers”
i have severe endometriosis. i was diagnosed at 16 and had three major surgeries for it before i turned 19. i started birth control for my six weeks long, heavy, debilitating periods when i started having them at 12. by 19, i had tried every birth control under the sun (with no success) -- except lupron. lupron, a gnrh agonist commonly used on males as a treatment for prostate cancer, on women in fertility treatments, on women with endometriosis, aaaaand yup, this is the exact same drug parents let be injected into girls with the euphemistic title of a “puberty blocker.” (i promise we’ll circle back to this hold on)
luckily, i live two hours away from one of the most accomplished endometriosis specialists/surgeon in the world, and he is so passionate about finding a cure or at least better treatments for women with endometriosis. he’s an obgyn but he literally doesn’t do the obstetrics part, he purely focuses on helping each woman find their best treatment for this disease. he has such a vast amount of knowledge on surgery techniques and surgical robots and different treatment options, and he is incredibly thorough when it comes to informed consent. if something could happen or has happened-- positive, negative, or neutral-- he will tell you about it. in detail. now this is important, because after decades of observing treatment effects and listening to women and researching side effects, his personal philosophy is that the lupron injection should be a last resort. like, after major surgery last resort. if a woman wants to try it first thing, he won’t stop her, buuuut after he gives her all the possible short and long term side effects, she usually is eager to explore other options.
(enter me) 19, three surgeries, dependent on opioid painkillers just to be able to get out of bed in the morning, and now, a fun new symptom! every time i begin to bleed, my heart develops an arrhythmia and i experience constant, burning chest pain. i begin to violently cough up blood. so, my endometriosis has spread to my lungs, may randomly cause my lungs to collapse at literally any moment, and i’ve exhausted all treatment options. except! lupron. the devil drug. the horror stories i heard from other women were insane, and that was just the short-term side effects. my doctor had to go through the process of explaining both short and long term side effects as i cried in the office chair because i knew that i had to take this drug. there was nothing else left for me, and things were getting worse. so i did. i was on it for a year. you want to know what that year was like?
i was suicidal, homicidal, and fell headfirst into the most severe and detrimental manic episode of my life. i experienced psychotic symptoms, and that along with the aforementioned symptoms led me to a week long stay at the psych ward. i did not have one day without severe joint and bone pain. i broke three bones, all while running or walking, when i had never broken a bone before. i’m already epileptic, but i had two hospital stays for uncontrollable tonic-clonic seizures while i was on it. i couldn’t sleep. i got night sweats and night terrors. i either couldn’t eat a thing or felt absolutely insatiable. regardless, i was always nauseous and got sick a lot. now, six years later, i still deal with worsening osteopenia, making me at high risk to develop osteoporosis. at 25. and the kicker is, it did shit-all for my endometriosis. it made me sick on top of sick on top of sick etc etc. and i’m not a rarity. men and women from all ages and all walks of life have experienced this and worse, and many people, like me, are still dealing with the fallout of it, years or even decades later. i do not believe this drug should be on the market for literally anything at all.
i was an adult and lupron gave me the worst fucking year of my life. and there are parents letting their HEALTHY children be injected with this at age 12, instead of realizing that if their child is so deeply afraid of puberty that they would rather take a decidedly harmful drug that essentially chemically castrates men and puts women in pseudo-menopause for years, let’s maybe try to work out the cause of that fear in some therapy sessions and group art classes and getting involved in sports or something. i can imagine that it’s pushed at gender clinics without touching on the negative effects too much because, well, lupron drugmakers and salespeople have a history of bribing prescribing doctors with trips, fancy dinners, resorts, or straight up telling a doctor they could earn $100K extra a year just by prescribing lupron to their patients. they went to court and were fined $875,000,000 for it, although i’m sure that’s pocket change for a company who profited $826,000,000 off the drug in 2015 alone, and i doubt they cleaned up their act. if a doctor is willing to give a female child lupron simply because she doesn’t “feel like a girl,” while being completely or even just half-way aware of all the negative side effects of it and backlash it’s received in the medical community, they might as well smear their own shit on the hippocratic oath they swore on, and they should probably give up their license while they’re at it.
How do I stop feeling conscious of my armpit hair? I know I shouldn't be bothered about how people look at it but I still do.
when i'm feeling self-conscious of anything in a group of people, i kinda bow my head and think about how many details i can recall about what a person was wearing, someone else's accessories, the color of a girl's purse, whether or not the man across from me had closed toe or open toe shoes, etc, and guess what? i'm really bad at it! literally every time! i do this to show myself that unless someone is purposefully really standing out, we're all too caught up in our own interior worlds to some degree, even out in groups or in public, to remember little things like that on people. it's like when you wear a tampon to go swimming for the first time, yr so obsessed with if the string comes out or if you leak everywhere that you don't realize that everyone else would be too busy in their own heads about how they're looking and acting to notice yr incident. another thing is to think about is that a person's non-verbal expression(s) when they see yr armpit hair is most likely a knee-jerk reaction to seeing a natural woman in a society where hairless women are the norm. remind yrself that yr doing something that visibly counters mainstream culture so naturally some people may pull faces, but that has everything to do with how they view women and has nothing at all to do with you as a person, yr character, or yr beauty.
if you're active on social media, try to find accounts (not fetish ones) that show women with their natural body hair, whether it be a woman with dyed armpit hair raising her arms to the sky and smiling, art of women lounging around in their underwear, their pubic hair curling beyond their bikini line without a care in the world, or a woman with a full beard, relaxing in the sun.
learn about the different purposes of areas of body hair on human beings so you can feel thankful that yr body has so many intricate ways of protecting you and being its best self.
for me, i loooove not shaving my legs or pubic area at all and i find body hair on women to be sexy. but, like you, i was also very self-conscious of my armpits at first, especially because i'm black and have very dark, coarse, curly hair there. so i honestly just made sure to wear t shirts that hid it until it stopped growing, and during that time i didn't look at them in the mirror, i would feel them at night and notice that the hair was nice to touch. then by the time it was mostly a uniform, plateaued length, i just didn't think about it. i started wearing tank tops again and because i wasn't doing body checks in the mirror i'd just get dressed and go about my day without even thinking about it, even if someone gave me a weird look.
lastly, if yr in public, you could be the first natural woman a young girl ever sees. what may look like a rude kid who can't stop staring may be a little girl who now has a seed of critical thinking about the act of shaving because of you, and i think even the possibility of that happening is a way better thing to let affect you, rather than a grown adult's judgmental glance.
i’m fine with gold stars feeling pride about being a gold star, but when it’s used as a moral judgment or arbiter of ideological purity for all lesbians, i think it’s pretty obvious how that rhetoric could be harmful to some.
I don’t think a lot of y'all know what morality and ideological purity are
Lesbianism is not an ideology and being a lesbian is not about morals. So saying someone is not a lesbian is not ideological purity, and very rarely is it a morality judgment (and it’s only a morality judgment if the person thinks lesbianism is a set of morals which those women do not believe)
if yr referring to me in yr first sentence, i know what those words and phrases mean, and i specifically used them because of that.
of course being a lesbian isn’t about morals and it’s not an ideology in and of itself, but i was discussing how certain takes by and about gold stars have some implications of that. to elaborate, in this “only gold stars are real lesbians” rhetoric, it sort of frames it as such. i doubt any gold star is viewing lesbians who’ve had relations with men as immoral, but i’ve seen a lot of takes by people with a super holier-than-thou attitude about it that they’ve externalized and applied to people outside themselves (with wildly different cultures and experiences and traumas) that could be read by someone as a judgment of morals and character. i’ve seen takes that make it look like people are building a shoddy ideology around being a gold star lesbian, applying that standard to everyone, and (incorrectly) calling genuine lesbians bisexuals.
I think you’re really reaching, honestly. They don’t think a lesbian would sleep with a man under any circumstances. Like, that’s just them defining the orientation.
It isn’t “building a shoddy ideology”
And it’s incorrect to you. Not to them. And then other people would say you’re wrong about who is and isn’t a lesbian.
what i was getting at in my original post is that i think some of the takes spawning from the “no real lesbian would ever sleep with a man for any reason under any circumstances” are largely lacking the nuance they need and just completely ignoring the literal novel list of circumstances in which actual, real lesbians have slept with a man for whatever reason. generally speaking from stories i’ve heard, these women already feel shameful or guilty or confused about any experience they had with men, and i just don’t want a lesbian coming to this community for support and coming out even more confused on if she’s a “real lesbian” or not.
i just think people need to be cautious with their words regarding this and remember that yr personal experience is not universal, some women were not given a choice, some women were raised to believe they had no other choice, some women were young women who’d do anything to try to change who they truly love and desire all so they could avoid the eternal damnation of being sent to hell, some women had no family pressure but so much social pressure to just “try it” and maybe they just weren’t self-assured or mentally strong enough to not. so they’re not gold stars, and that’s fine.
and as for defining lesbianism as only gold stars are real lesbians... i dunno, i’m spitballing here but it seems like the reason why “gold star” became a descriptor word for lesbians who haven’t slept with a man is because there were lesbians who had had experiences with men, and they wanted a distinction (which again is fine). i always thought it was just about that, an added description of one’s personal experience irt sex and sexuality; i’m still relatively new to seeing this idea that lesbianism is actually only made up of gold star lesbians, but i am already seeing some fallout from it, from all kinds of women.
i’m fine with gold stars feeling pride about being a gold star, but when it’s used as a moral judgment or arbiter of ideological purity for all lesbians, i think it’s pretty obvious how that rhetoric could be harmful to some.
I don’t think a lot of y'all know what morality and ideological purity are
Lesbianism is not an ideology and being a lesbian is not about morals. So saying someone is not a lesbian is not ideological purity, and very rarely is it a morality judgment (and it’s only a morality judgment if the person thinks lesbianism is a set of morals which those women do not believe)
if yr referring to me in yr first sentence, i know what those words and phrases mean, and i specifically used them because of that.
of course being a lesbian isn’t about morals and it’s not an ideology in and of itself, but i was discussing how certain takes by and about gold stars have some implications of that. to elaborate, in this “only gold stars are real lesbians” rhetoric, it sort of frames it as such. i doubt any gold star is viewing lesbians who’ve had relations with men as immoral, but i’ve seen a lot of takes by people with a super holier-than-thou attitude about it that they’ve externalized and applied to people outside themselves (with wildly different cultures and experiences and traumas) that could be read by someone as a judgment of morals and character. i’ve seen takes that make it look like people are building a shoddy ideology around being a gold star lesbian, applying that standard to everyone, and (incorrectly) calling genuine lesbians bisexuals.
yeah, we really do need to worry about problems in the bi community. for example: you. why are you lesbophobic? like, you clearly saw in that comment section for that thread that multiple lesbian women told you that only gold stars are lesbians, and yet you choose to listen to the fellow bi women who "identify" as lesbians and yet have fucked a man or dated one until now? like, i see febfem in your bio and think your actions and words are contradicktory actually.
So what you want me to do is only listen to gold star lesbians? Because they're the only real lesbians because they say so? I should completely disregard the lesbians who've been with men and who discuss the pressures that they've faces and feeling forced into being with men despite not liking them because obviously these women are bisexuals in denial and there’s literally no other explanation? Because absolutely no amount of misogynistic and homophobc social pressure could ever make a lesbian date or marry a man because a few gold star lesbians said that they didn't get with men and so no real lesbian ever would? We should just ignore the social pressure and homophobia which surrounds us because that could absolutely never affect someone and force them into dating people they're not attracted to because they think that's what they should do?
I'm really sorry that you're a homophobic, misogynistic, and ignorant piece of shit. I hope you learn to grow as a person and listen to other people.
thank you @radkindoffeminist for having this really difficult (and often fruitless) discussion. it is just patently untrue, wilfully ignorant and downright cruel (in the sense of pathologically lacking compassion) for a few gold star lesbians to go around claiming that only gold stars are the True LesbiansTM. it's absurd, and it completely ignores the multitude of pressures, homophobic circumstances, and possible traumas that might have lead lesbian women into relations with men. as you said, what you desire and what you do are often not the same thing (again, for a variety of reasons). it's absolutely true that lesbians don't desire men or want to be with them- and people using 'comphet' to mean these things are patently misusing the term. like thirsting after men is not something lesbians do and women who do that are very clearly bi. so far so good. but, and this has been stated in a variety of ways in this thread, there are multiple instances where women might actually do something with men that has nothing to do with desire, and might, in fact, have everything to do with the opposite (as in, self-destruction).
before everyone screams their heads off, I'm a gold star, so if we're gonna play this stupid game I get a seat at the discussion table. however, my wife is not. because her first sexual experience was when her female best friend raped her. and then continuously sexually assaulted her by forcing her into a secret abusive relationship, with the threat of outing her to her family as leverage (which was a terrorising option for my wife, raised in a Catholic home, as she feared becoming homeless). and in between being continuously assaulted by her BEST FUCKING FRIEND my wife was so traumatised that in an effort to normalise what was happening her, to force this new reality into some kind of bearable format that she could conceptualise and survive, in an effort to prove to herself that sex doesn't fucking matter anyway, she did the one thing she would have never actually wanted to do under any other circumstances- she got blackout drunk in a bar and found some man to have sex with. it was the utmost form of self destruction she could manifest. she is working through all the trauma this period in her life caused to this day. does this make her not a lesbian when she has ever only experienced desire for and, when given humane circumstances, only pursued women?
similarly my best friend, who I grew up with in a hugely homophobic and conservative eastern european country. this girl is gay with a capital g, figured it out when she was around 9 and then spent the proceeding decade trying to beat it out of herself because of her insanely homophobic and deeply neglectful parents, her religious upbringing that had taught her god wouldn't love her if she was gay (and when you don't have that many people to love you, god seems like a really good bet), and the overall homophobia that surrounded us on every corner in our home country. she ended up losing her virginity to a man on a beach blackout drunk, because she was so convinced that she had to keep trying, and maybe, just maybe, if she went ever further with men, the attraction would follow and it would turn out that she wasnt, in fact, gay. she was robbed of a first sexual experience that was loving, wanted and mutually exciting, and she can never get that back. is she not a lesbian?
like good for all other gold stars who knew what they wanted from an early age and either didn't experience such intense pressures getting in the way of their desires aligning with their actions, or were strong enough to not waver in their feelings. good for you, truly. but not everyone is as strong. life is hard, especially for homosexuals. just have some fucking compassion. no-one is saying we call women who actively pursue and fancy men 'lesbians' (except TRAs, but that's a different conversation). but you can't honestly be as black and white as to think that if women (who until recently were treated as cattle in most places) throughout history had any dealings with men that meant they were no longer real lesbians.
i’m fine with gold stars feeling pride about being a gold star, but when it’s used as a moral judgment or arbiter of ideological purity for all lesbians, i think it’s pretty obvious how that rhetoric could be harmful to some.