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Fascinating to me when people writing new versions of greek tales (Nolan's recent Odyssey movie, for example, or Lore Olympus) cut out some acts of violence, finding them deplorable, (Sexual assault, specific killings, the kidnapping and rape of persephone) which can be deeply uncomfortable but serve to move along things in the story and set the tone, only to add in new acts of violence (Menelaus permanently scars his wife's face and degrades her with cruel remarks about her beauty being lessened now, Apollo rapes persephone). What have we achieved by doing this, story wise or morally?

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I just remembered that this sort of happens in Troy: fall of a city. There's a scene that shows Briseis, Achilles and Patroclus having a consensual threesome???? But they later add in a scene where I believe it's implied that Achilles is just about to sexually assault Helen? Not to mention that they also add in a fairly long clip of Chryseis screaming in agony while Agamemnon rapes her. I'm not saying it's immoral to show the content of the story as written but why the hell would you cut out the detail of Achilles acting as an abuser to Briseis while keeping in and even adding sexual assault??

Sometimes a review praising an adaptation of the Trojan war that I hate will make me frustrated but then said reviewer will add a part about "how it handled the Iliad's story" and then I get to relax because this dude doesn't even know.

#greek mythology #ancient greece #blueberry thoughts #the epic cycle #the iliad #trojan war #The Iliad is only 52 days of a ten year war #This is a troy:fall of a city hate post it might have fans but I am not one of them #If it's an iliad adaptation where is Nestor ranting where is diomedes getting kicked awake where is athena throwing Sthenelus #Do achilles and priam weep together does hector get an actual on screen funeral and do we see his helmet frighten his son earlier on #Are they mixing wine is there weeping Are the gods intervening #Does patroclus have a ghost does achilles refuse to go on with a funeral #These directors and makers of adaptations fail to understand that if you find all the emotional messy parts silly #Then you don't love actual Greek mythology #If you feel like you need to heavily cut and alter the story to make it better you don't love it #And they stop being characters from myths and start being original characters who share the same names #Anyway to circle back it's funny when people say that not knowing what they're talking about

Menelaus vibes methinks

!!! I did not know Halsey did a cover of this!!

This is absolutely a Menelaus song,

"You give me cause for love that I can't hide; For you I know I'd even try to turn the tide."

Is SO him. Sitting, thinking, pining for Helen in a way that is glaringly obvious to everyone around him even when he doesn't utter a word.

#greek mythology #blueberry answers #menelaus x helen #menelaus #helen of sparta #the epic cycle

Fascinating to me when people writing new versions of greek tales (Nolan's recent Odyssey movie, for example, or Lore Olympus) cut out some acts of violence, finding them deplorable, (Sexual assault, specific killings, the kidnapping and rape of persephone) which can be deeply uncomfortable but serve to move along things in the story and set the tone, only to add in new acts of violence (Menelaus permanently scars his wife's face and degrades her with cruel remarks about her beauty being lessened now, Apollo rapes persephone). What have we achieved by doing this, story wise or morally?

#blueberry thoughts #If you want to write for something containing upstanding morals only don't pick greek mythology #People haven't learned that lesson I guess #Also if someone knows of an ancient source for Apollo and persephone or menelen scarring feel free to politely share #I myself am unaware and haven't found/don't recall a basis for those #But they definitely don't go in the specific stories these retellings are covering #menelaus #helen of sparta #greek mythology #the epic cycle #the odyssey #homeric hymns #persephone #menelen #hades and persephone #ancient greece

Menelaus as retold in modern media: ooh...Helen i hate her...she's so hot but she causes me all this suffering...by the way I'm flat out abusive and honestly evil with a short temper plus I hate my daughter and I'm sexist

Menelaus in ancient works:

#greek mythology #ancient greece #blueberry thoughts #the epic cycle #the odyssey #the iliad #menelaus #helen of sparta #menelen #menelaus x helen #greek myths #trojan war #greek mythology memes #I have to tag this for reasons but obvious this is an oversimplification #And a little inaccurate #That is why it is a joke and not an informational post

I think of Diomedes often and imagine him distantly watching others around him truly love and be loved and feeling a twinge because he wants it badly, yet it remains out of reach. He gets a glimpse here and there. A tiny comment made by Odysseus in a rare remark about his marriage to Penelope. Or perhaps a bit from Sthenelus or even Agamemnon. He hears about it in the songs that sing of the past and he feels inadequate, in a way that branches out and tangles in his heart because he wants to be loved for something other than his usefulness. For his talents to be appreciated and acknowledged without being a deciding factor in any relationship.

#blueberry thoughts #greek mythology #ancient greece #the epic cycle #the iliad #greek myths #diomedes of argos #diomedes #He suffers because i love him #Hashtag probably not very accurate #so yeah #My handsome strong thoughtful intelligent miserable king of Argos

Blueberries i have been absent a while for a few reasons but digitally I have been having a horrible time logging into accounts due to a bunch of email stuff so I'm not dead, just logged out almost everywhere.

#blueberry thoughts

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remember kids any character can have your disability if you project hard enough

This weirdly forced connection between Wilson's translations and Nolan's Odyssey pisses me off so bad.

#greek mythology #ancient greece #blueberry thoughts #the epic cycle #the odyssey #emily wilson #odysseus #greek myths #homeric epics #anti christopher nolan #nolan odyssey

Achilles (left) and a Siren (right) from Hōmā Monogatari (tales from Homer) a Japanese translation of the Iliad and the Odyssey

(Achilles illustrated by Honda Shōtarō. The siren illustrated by Unno Seikō)

#ancient greece #greek mythology #the epic cycle #the odyssey #the iliad #homeric epics #achilles #achilles of phthia #sirens #illustration #Kikuchi Kan's translation

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I keep seeing Ogygia depicted with landscapes and plants associated with a tropical climate, or with things that don’t make much sense in the Homeric context, so I’m going to show some photos based on Perseustufts’ speculations regarding the vegetation mentioned in Rhapsody V of the Odyssey in the description of Ogygia.

They are mentioned in different groups:

The wood that Calypso burns in her cave, and which she must obtain from somewhere, which is why I assume it is native to her region (v. 60)

Forest vegetation described as such (vv. 64-74)

Wood that she tells Odysseus to use for his raft and also to attach the logs to one another (v. 239 and v.256)

Material for Calypso’s tools (v. 236)

v. 60 → κέδρου with two possible interpretations: from κέδρον (juniper-berry) or from κέδρος, which translates as cedar, and is the one emphasised by the website itself. In this case, I believe it would be the Atlas cedar (Cedrus atlantica) because Ogygia is west of Ithaca (which means it cannot be a Lebanese cedar or Cedrus libani).

Strobilus is so cute

v. 60 → θύου with several different meanings, but as a plant, θύον here is interpreted as Callitris quadrivalvis:

v. 64 → κλήθρη from κλήθρα, here intrepeted as Alnus glutinosa:

v. 64 → αἴγειρός as Populus nigra:

v. 64 → κυπάρισσος as Cupressus sempervirens:

v. 69 → ἡμερὶς as "the cultivated vine" Vitis vinifera:

v. 72 → ἴου among the many meanings derived from ἴον, interpreted as Viola odorata:

v. 72 → σελίνου from σέλινον as Apium graveolens:

v. 236 -> ἐλάινον from ἐλάινος as "of olive-wood" which i myself assume that to Olea oleaster (is the wild variety of Olea europaea):

v. 239 → ἐλάτη as Abies cephalonica

v. 256 οἰσυΐνῃσι οἰσύινος of osier, of wicker-work (as we say in Spanish cestería) here my friend @ulises-aithon has suggested Salix purpurea:

(I have used PerseusTufts, but it is not the only reliable source of information: many other dictionaries may suggest different species, or even entire genera or taxonomic families, for the same word. This is just a brief overview.)

Greek mythology baby I love you but you have to stop hoarding all the scholars and recent translations. Greek mythology some of these other mythologies haven't had english translations of their most relevant texts since the 1970s. A handful haven't had one since the 1800s. And if there were to be a gap greater than 30 years without a new translation in the Greek myths someone would most likely appear from thin air to begin one as a project. Let alone any kind of scholarly content in other languages for other world mythologies. Greek mythology you already have multiple paperback and hardback printed versions of your plays and poems available for almost every budget. Let the others have a turn they're still stuck on Jstor and sacred texts dot com.

#blueberry thoughts #greek mythology #ancient greece #the epic cycle #the odyssey #Mythology #yapping #Just interesting to see how so many people are reading off 70+ year old translations and notes whereas those are considered out of date #In terms of greek mythology scholars and research #Misinformation piles up so quickly too even in dedicated fan spaces #Like Greek myth circles are so full of wonderful helpful students and scholars and people sharing sources #Trying to find information on something else? Ai generated images/thumbnails and six paragraphs of lies #Obviously there's still issues in the Greek mythology fantasy but yeah

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So proud of all of my student moots who have been working on finals and exams!!! You are doing amazing sweetie!!!

recent history questions from my sister ranged from "Was Caesar a freak?" To "Who are Alexander and Hephaestion?" And "Why are the Fujiwara haunting the narrative?"

#blueberry thoughts #ancient rome #ancient history #She's too funny atp #Important questions was he??? Why ARE they haunting the narrative??

Bear hides/pelts are not super soft and neither are goat hides. Deer hides are very smooth but they aren't very cushiony or thick. Bison hide is super wiry and coarse, as is a boar's. Wolf pelts are the true in between, a little coarse but very dense and overall soft. The super soft and almost silky ones are rabbit, fox, and trimmed sheepskin. You can do what you want with this information but please if you're going to write people using furs for bedding or other purposes just know that not all of them are going to feel like "typical fur".

#blueberry thoughts #yapping #Fur? Idk what else to tag this

This as Athena attempting to hold/wrangle a very rambunctious little Telemachus

#blueberry thoughts #greek mythology #the odyssey #ancient greece #telemachus #athena

The log of basically everyone involved that exists in the Argonautica (+Iliad) is fun if you make it so. It's like a smash bros. intro for everyone

Book 1 of Argonautica and book 2 of Iliad, if you're having fun.

#greek mythology #ancient greece #blueberry thoughts #the epic cycle #the iliad #jason and the argonauts #jason and the golden fleece #Please someone good at editing make this

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