Anti Byler

Anti Byler blog - because it was not a queerbait I’m sick of seeing everyone say it was | open to discussion always | from the UK | blog was made so I don’t get harassed on my personal

[bylerisnotreal]

I didn't hate byler but I hate it's fans & stans which in the made me never want to touch the ship with a 50ft pole

Some of them are very annoying and can be childish, however not all of them are like that, I do understand where you’re coming from though. I think it’s important not to generalise them all, but when you’ve had bad experiences within the fandom it’s hard to remember that

[bylerisnotreal]

The whole "Blue and Yellow are byler colors" is crazy because Mike and El did it first.

RIGHT. In s4 Mike literally says he wore Els favourite colours 💛💙 but they turned it into a By/er thing ofc..😩 I’ve seen some people using 💜💛 or 💜💙 for Milevens colours, as purple was included in the flowers coz Mike said it was her favourite colour 💜

I also am not sure if it’s because of the “blue and yellow meets in the west” thing from s3 because I’ve seen them talk about that lol either way, crazy they took Milevens colours 😭✋🏻

[fluffypandaship]

Blue and Yellow were Mileven colors from Season 1, from the very moment they met. Blue was Mike's sweater's color and El was wearing that icon Yellow Benny's burger t-shirt that almost swallowed her whole

[bylerisnotreal]

^^ I hadn’t even noticed that! Thank you for pointing that out 😊 💙💛

[bylerisnotreal]

The whole "Blue and Yellow are byler colors" is crazy because Mike and El did it first.

RIGHT. In s4 Mike literally says he wore Els favourite colours 💛💙 but they turned it into a By/er thing ofc..😩 I’ve seen some people using 💜💛 or 💜💙 for Milevens colours, as purple was included in the flowers coz Mike said it was her favourite colour 💜

I also am not sure if it’s because of the “blue and yellow meets in the west” thing from s3 because I’ve seen them talk about that lol either way, crazy they took Milevens colours 😭✋🏻

[bylerisnotreal]

I have no problem with the Byler ship itself, but some of them truly believe it's canon, which I find crazy. Another thing I find annoying about them is that they'll constantly diss other ships and use our tags to diss them, but god forbid you have anything to say about the Byler ship they'll all come out of the woodwork and start attacking you. Also they will say how people are being homophobic by saying they are fetishizing them but I really do believe they are because they are two minors who they will draw and write about them sleeping together. Also another thing I find crazy but when people say well since Steve had a crush on Robin should she have reciprocated? And they will freak out saying it’s not the same lol.

Exactly, couldn’t have said it better myself, I’m just gonna leave this here

[bylerisnotreal]

The difference between me and Byler fans is they hate season five because Byler didn't happen. I don't like it because it was written poorly.

I obviously don’t ship By/er but I agree with you😭 it was written badly 😩

[bylerisnotreal]

Just noticed it’s April fools day today. Happy April fools to all By/ers who trolled themselves lmao

[bylerisnotreal]

What are your thoughts on the existence of byler being misogynistic?

I noticed browsing in the past that most By/er shippers don’t really ship anything hardcore that involves a woman, I saw a few of them even being anti Ronance (Nancy/Robin), which didn’t make sense to me at all, don’t they love gay ships? Oh wait - only when it involves 2 boys…there is definitely some truth to it (ironic especially considering the majority of shippers that I’ve seen are girls/women) but it varies from person to person, it’s not easy to answer because I don’t want to generalise and say all of them are being misogynistic but I honestly believe some of them aren’t even aware of their behaviour and that’s worse. By/er isn’t inherently misogynistic, it’s just a ship, the shippers behaviour towards El is misogynistic.

[bylerisnotreal]

https://www.tumblr.com/mikewheelerdidnothingwrong/812450987374755840/as-much-as-i-love-el-i-think-its-disturbing-that

Than they say they love El.

😭 they’re all kids I swear.

Eleven lied because she was embarrassed and ashamed, she thought Mike wouldn’t love her anymore because her powers were gone so she didn’t want to add on that she was being bullied, I honestly was angry at Will for not telling Mike sooner about the bullying aswell. As her brother he should’ve been trying to help, I would’ve just told Mike straight about how it’s going for her at school, El would’ve been upset but the entire situation at the roller rink would’ve been avoided if Mike knew she was her bully. But for plot reasons that had to happen aswell. It’s like they’re missing the point. Also lol yeah they say they love El but they never talk about her outside of shitting on Mileven

[bylerisnotreal]

They will say they love el and say she needs to be independent and then say how toxic mike and her relationship is but they want her with her brother how the hell does that make any sense?

I know😂 404 logic not found

[bylerisnotreal]

hate the argument that Will has been in love with Mike since pre k. When thats not true and nothing points to that conclusion? Literally nothing, not even Will said how long he had a crush on him. He didn't even say he loved him??? Like people dramaticize the relationship a lot. He conceiveable liked Mike by S3 as shown by his clear want to spend time with Mike. (He wasnt upset Lucas didn't want to play Dnd only that Mike didnt) Also people forget that Mike is an extremely loyal person. He treats Will differently than Lucas + Dustin because he knows Will is more sensitive than them, that's being a thoughtful friend. All thier "evidence" just being Mike smiling and showing basic care towards Will really makes me think so many of these people have never had a genuine friendship before. This is why i genuinely adore platonic Byler way more than any version where they are romantic.

Yes this!

They act as if Mike is the love of Wills life, when Will just had a big crush on him, was he in love? Debatable, Will had strong feelings but I don’t believe he was in love. It’s the kind of “love” you feel before you are ever with someone (I don’t mean physically, I mean a real first relationship) it’s cute, angsty and it’s everything to you at the time but as you grow up you realise it was just a crush. Their “evidence” makes me laugh honestly, I wouldn’t mind so much if they didn’t actively bully others/name call etc. those who say opposing opinions. Mike and Will have a very strong friendship and I honestly see them like brothers, they care for each other so much, Mike cares for Will but it isn’t romantic, it’s true friendship and I wish some people could see that. Will also moved on in the end, which I’m glad about. I wish they’d shown him doing art or something though!

[bylerisnotreal]

We need your services now more than ever. Every ST post on official accounts is clogged with the most obnoxious teenage girls spamming by|er comments or otherwise bullying mileven shippers and gen audience members that have anything positive to say about the upcoming spin-off. This fuckass ship needs to burn to the ground. It is inescapable. An assault on the senses and an insult to any sane person's intelligence. It is the anti-thesis of media literacy. And worst of all is how goddamn many there are of them.

Haha thank you :)

It’s true, they’re everywhere and they have no media literacy, despite that they think they’re the only ones who know the true meaning of the show, it’s a conspiracy theory they made up 😂 their harassment knows no bounds with some of the By/er shippers honestly, also do they not understand that when you post anything online anyone can come and say whatever they like about it? That’s how it works, but they act like everyone pointing things out to them is bullying them 🙄

[bylerisnotreal]

https://www.tumblr.com/homosexual-mike-wheeler/812392313598984192/had-a-thought-last-night-about-tgirl-el-and-i

I hate the fact that centred El being trans on Mikes imaginary queerness. did they actually have trans girl el thoughts or did they just think about how trans el equals gay Mike angst?

Also the “she looks like a boy” comment is disgusting are they implying that all women with short/shaved hair are manly?

For a community that claim they’re so progressive they’re incredibly bigoted and transphobic (don’t even get me started on their biphobia)

This is just them stretching as usual, I’ve genuinely seen them say this so many times about Els short hair, it’s ridiculous. And it is very telling about them. And oh yes their biphobia is real they accused me (bisexual) of lying about it😂

[bylerisnotreal]

bylers who claim the reason byler didn't happen was because The World Wasn't Ready For A Main Gay Couple always fascinate me. like have you guys not heard of glee? kurt and blaine were kissing on screen in 2011. the show ran for 6 seasons. it was so popular that even i - who was an elementary schooler during the show's run and therefore outside of its target demographic - was aware of it. it had both a main gay couple AND a main lesbian couple. if the world wasn't ready for byler/a main gay couple, then explain glee's success!

Also Queer as Folk that came out in 1999 (UK version) and the US version in 2000, with many storylines of different varieties about gay life in America at the time that also didn’t shy away from explicit scenes. The show was very popular and went on for 5 seasons. Glee was major aswell for more mainstream PG audiences yes, there was more representation starting to happen in mainstream shows around that time. There are so many shows/movies with LGBT stories nowadays but no they want Will and Mike of course because the actors are their hyper fixations usually (or the characters). You’re absolutely right and the audience would’ve been mad if By/er happened I think because it would’ve came out of absolutely nowhere because Mike showed no interest in Will at all lol

[bylerisnotreal]

Bylers: I can not believe they had Suzie and Dustin break up off screen!

Also Bylers: Mike and El didn't kiss when they hugged. The big reveal is that they had one of the main couples of the show brake up off screen during the time jump so Mike and Will can be together!!!

Exactly like what?😭 they just wanted to believe it so bad lol

[bylerisnotreal]

Do you consider b/ler vs. mileven a "love triangle?" I've seen people act like it is, even when they aren't super invested in either ship. I disagree, because I think a legitimate love triangle has to have at least some chance of reciprocation for the alternative pairing, which b/ler didn't. It's not like the stancy vs. jancy triangle where both ships were canon and teased at different points in the series. An unrequited crush doesn't necessarily create a love triangle dynamic.

No I don’t consider Mileven/By/er a love triangle because there would have to be reciprocation of feelings by Mike to Will and there was never a hint that was going to happen. This is the entire thing; the By/ers believe they were queerbaited because of them showing Wills feelings building over the years…but as you said an unrequited crush doesn’t create a love triangle and it also doesn’t mean it was bait

[bylerisnotreal]

HI! I have seen the "proofs" that mileven was not originally intended to be endgame, what do you think about all of this? It is really crazy stuff, I really don't know what to think any more

Are you 12? 🙄 I believe you’re trying to troll me, unsuccessfully so but do go on and “show me”. If that was true well, it isn’t now is it? They were definitely in love at the end and Mike still thinks about her all the time…

[flowing230]

I just think that if you dismiss anyone who doesn't ship your M/M pairing as "cishet," then honestly, you don't know much about the LGBT community, and you don't even really care about the couple—you're just using it as an excuse to attack people.