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BREAKING: Luigi Mangione's New York Dtate court has released the press plan for his upcoming trial. It will last 6-8 weeks, 4 days/week (~24-36 days in total). Press will only be allowed to take photos before hearings begin and not throughout the whole proceedings - just like they did during suppression hearings back in December. "Occasionally" video recording will be permitted at judge's discretion.
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What do you think about this comment? I still want to believe that the team is doing a good job, but I can't help but feel like this person in the Reddit comments. WELP! 😩😩😩
Okay so I don't know what is the OG post they're replying to, so I might be missing something, but yeah, let me address each of Extra_Article2872 points:
"EED notice reveal & withdrawal"
OP seems to generalize and catastrophize the situation based on their own personal subjective opinion. "EVERYONE in America now thinks that Luigi is guilty." That's not true. I've talked about it on Twitter before - there seems to be some extra censorship attempts happening lately (+the aftermath of the fangirls' situation), which meant that these news got really suppressed, for example TWO days of EED news barely had 12k posts (so like 6k posts/day on avg.) and all of them had very little engagement (there were only ~a dozen posts/comments with 1k likes in total, all over the site. No viral posts). Compare this to just from ONE day of news from May 18 hearing - almost 150k posts, lots of engagement (I alone had over a dozen posts/comments with 1k likes, and a few viral posts):
This is obvs only twitter, but having checked other social media: there are plenty of comments under new Luigi posts saying that they think he's innocent. So, I guess this censorship and suppression has helped us lol. Also, most people don't know what EED is, so most were confused and didn't know how to take it and given that it was changed so quick, most never bothered to learn about it or just thought it all was some sort of mishap/journo misreporting/etc.. Plus, some people know that even innocent people plead guilty to get a better sentence, etc. Anyways, his supporters don't seem to grasp the fact that majority of the public does not follow his case as closely as they do.
"Defense refuse to speak to press / Do PR"
This is how you can know that OP doesn't know what they're talking about and is probably some k-pop fan. This is a legal criminal case, not a celebrity affair. These people's obsession with "PR" is just so... 😬 "We're exploring a variety of defense strategies for variety of reasons bur look forward to winning this case" LMFAO this is just so dumb oh my god. Like a <23 year old dumbass must've written it.
Defense doesn't need to convince the whole public, just 12 people. Marc Agnifilo has plenty of experience with high profile cases, I know he was on NYS bar association's panel for this specific topic. But also, defense is limited by both the protective order and Local Criminal Rule 23.1 regarding what they can say.
"Defense affiliated individuals speak to the press.."
They're not "affiliated" with defense. They don't speak for the defense. We don't know how close they really are with Agnifilos. Geragos clearly hasn't been following the case closely, neither has Aidala. Most lawyers don't follow other cases as closely as supporters are unless it's their own case. I've said this on TikTok about the Geragos interview:
Supporters who've been following Luigi's case closely and have read all the case files (and have common sense) know more about this case than all these tele-lawyers do (esp. if they're not NY/Federal lawyers), tbh. And no lawyer knows all the laws, for example, federal stalking cases are pretty rare, and I found that no lawyer has actually read all the case LM case files as well as other precedent case verdicts/decisions.
I used to work with and know many lawyers, and they bullshit so much.. all the time. Because they're betting on majority of the public not being able to catch them. There have been so many lawyers giving bs comments in this case, and I've corrected them so many times, so I wouldn't pay too much attention on what any of them say.
"Defense let a lot of prosecutorial misconduct slide"
Okay, I do kinda agree with this one. But y'all know if it was up to me, I'd be out there breathing down Hoel's neck & filing motions to disqualify him for every single stupid thing he said & did.. 🙄 So, idk how objective I could be on this topic, but I would've expected to push more on this. Esp. in federal case & Pam Bondi stuff, because their first motion for it was denied without prejudice to renewal, but defense seems to have let it go. :/ I mean, some of the issues they did preserve for the appeals, but imo it would've been more helpful for them to address the law enforcement/prosecution bias/misconduct right now because it would help with seeding reasonable doubt in public/jury's mind. Maybe they will. Not many people noticed that they did some of it during the suppression hearings, which could be considered as a mini-trial. I would've liked them to have addressed a lot of these issues before the trial ofc lol.
"A more aggressive team could have won on reasonable doubt"
I mean, defense would still have a chance to argue against prosecution's evidence even if they went with EED. And EED's a good back up to have. Mind you, EED≠insanity. Let's not forget that defense did argue a lot for prosecution's witness testimonies being fake. And that was only during the suppression hearings, you can 100% expect them being more ruthless and aggressive on the cross-examination during the trial. I think the issue here is that a lot of supporters didn't read suppression hearing transcripts and they don't know how suppression hearings are a preview/set up for trial hearings. For example, you can bet mugwort gnome boy's trial testimony is gonna end up being a laughing stock during the trial OR, if he changes it, defense will be able to argue for perjury. Either way, no jury's gonna take all those testimonies seriously. And fake testimonies ain't gonna go well with the jury.
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Look, those who know me know that I hate lawyers - as a profession -and I do have my issues with Luigi's defense. I've had them since day 1. The thing is tho (and what OP doesn't seem to grasp, tho they came so close) there's a phenomenon called Halo Effect, which I'm sure you've heard of. In legal world specifically, it can manifest through one's lawyer. E.g. if jury finds defendant's lawyer charismatic / trustworthy / etc., they're more likely to view the defendant as such, too. Now, Luigi's defense team may, in fact, suck. Or whatever they're doing might be strategic. The thing is - we won't know until after the trial's over and also, there's nothing we can do/say that could change it right now. Criticizing the defense right now is just gonna make them look bad, less trustworthy/charismatic/etc. in the eyes of the potential jury. The effect would be small of course, but still I'd rather not risk it. There was at least one potential juror during the Alexander brothers' voire dire, who heard about Agnifilo specifically before bc of Luigi's case.
So yeah, I know all this waiting game sucks, but we gotta think and act pragmatically sometimes. And doomerism and catastrophizing right now over something we cannot control is not going to help anyone. Let's not forget that we don't know everything defense knows. So, for now you just gotta have hope and faith in them. 🤷♀️
do you think the defense will go for an emotional disturbance defense in the state case if the evidence isn’t suppressed?
Probably. They'd have nothing to lose. Prosecutors would still need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did it, as per jury instructions:
And there's plenty of reasonable doubt to be had, even if evidence from the backpack isn't suppressed. Also, EED would likely give defense an opportunity to talk about health insurance industry, which could also sort of work as a Justification defense I guess 🤔well, not really, since there was no threat of physical force, but it would allow for an opportunity to discretely push for jury nullification. 😏
BREAKING: Luigi Mangione's team will be presenting extreme emotional disturbance defense at the trial (which can reduce charges from murder to manslaughter). This does NOT mean Luigi is guilty. Prosecutors are still going to need to prove that in court beyond reasonable doubt.
BREAKING: Luigi Mangione's NY state case hearing could not appear at the hearing scheduled today because prosecutors failed to serve necessary documents to have him transferred from the federal custody (which they have been doing all this time without any issues). The hearing has been rescheduled for tomorrow morning.
Further explanation. State Prosecutors need to:
1. Get a Writ of Ad Prosequendum (an order to obtain temporary custody of an inmate for court proceedings) from the state judge
2. Deliver the said writ to the Warden of MDC Brooklyn (federal facility, where Luigi is held) - for some reason prosecutors failed to do this.
Do we have any Luigi Mangione supporters who study or work at Columbia University?? I know we do. Where are you??? DM me please 🙏 Everything's fully confidential, I promise!
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