YES HE DID!!!!!
I WILL GIVE YOU THE RUN DOWN OF WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED IN 2009 OVENBREAK, THE VERY FIRST ITERATION OF COOKIE RUN!!
so we start the story. obviously, gingerbrave is in an oven full of burning cookies. he gets the hell out in this KICKASS collection image
absolute flames. anyways. he gets out and has to run from the witch's army, again, in this KICKASS panel in the story of ovenbreak comic
so. he defeats the army. then, at some point he hears someone calling from help from inside the witch's mouth. so what does he do? HE FUCKING LEAPS IN THERE. TO GET WHOEVER IT IS OUT.
NO HESITATION!! this was called "gut instinct" and let me tell you sound track fucking SLAAAPPPPSS. so hard. so where does he go from there? obviously. THE WITCH'S HEART. yes. he literally dives into the witch's heart in the most fucking badass aura farming way humanly possible with THIS. FRAME.
ABSOLUTE. CINEMA. this was called "broken hearts" and good lord. the soundtrack. goes so. fucking. HARD. in this he gets chased by a thing called "the axe man". you heard that right. and yes. it is horrific and terrifying.
these two collection images really sum it up. so basically. gingerbrave literally goes into the witch's heart AND RUPTURES IT FROM THE INSIDE OUT. and just fucking kills her right there. its never clarified if he even gets out or not but he damn well took that witch down with him. 2009 ovenbreak is the best iteration of gingerbrave in my humble opinion. the aura. the guts. the cold blooded murder.
not to mention this promotion image. he was soooo fucking tuff. and i didn't even mention a third of my favorite things about it. go and watch a video of someone going through all of the collection images and then go read the wiki of all of the minor ovenbreak characters. i didn't even mention gingerbraves dead boyfriend. theres so much to it and i love every bit of it but i think ive yapped enough for now.
but to answer your question. yes. gingerbrave killed the witch. and he looked damn cool doing it.
NEED TO SHARE THIS HERE... A few days ago Korean cookie run fandom was buzzing because 3 chs of an official cookie run webtoon had been uploaded... the pages have since been taken down (there's speculation that they might've been released too early by mistake??) BUT someone archived them so they can still be read!! And I did a (rough) english translation of all 3 chapters!!! (it was fun🥺 pls enjoy)
(Link to Ch 1) (Link to Ch 2) (Link to Ch 3)
CH 1:
note: Roguefort cookie's name in Korean(괴도맛 쿠키) is literally Phantom Thief(mysterious thief) flavor Cookie, and this 괴도 is the same thing Kaito Kid from Detective Conan is called (괴도 키드)
--
huhuhu...
(clink/jangle)
🌶:Yep, I really am a genius.
🌶: uhaha! instead of robbing a bank, it's much faster and easier to just rob bank-robbers, ya know~!
🌶:With this, my bounty will go up another level...
(chattering)
🌶: what, what's going on? (suddenly)
Reporter: As for Roguefort cookie's previously announced target, a 60 carat Yellow Diamond:
This jewel has been passed down from the Golden Cheese Kingdom for generations, and is said to be a symbol of good fortune, bringing(lit: wishing for) prosperity and longevity to the nation.
🌶: (Hmm, that's a puny gem.)
The jewel's owner adds that they will compensate the cookie who captures Roguefort Cookie, a payment of 1,000,000 coins as a reward to whoever captures this phantom thief...
(jolt)🌶: (A million coins?!)
🌶: (Then Roguefort cookie's bounty is higher than mine, isn't it!!) (1000000 vs 700000)
🌶: (THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE!!)
🌶: (I'll have the pride of a thief and steal it first!!)
(Title:) Who is the best thief?
Ep 1: Who is the best thief?
-That night
(footsteps)
🌶: WAIT, YOU THERE! (suddenly)
🌶: I heard the yellow diamond was at this mansion. Know where it is?
butler: (EEP) ch, chili pepper cookie?!
butler: This is a very tightly guarded place, How in the world did you get in?
🌶: Psh, this is mere child's play to me. (lit: chewing gum)
butler: I'm calling the guards/security.
🌶: ......
🌶: What are you doing? Roguefort Cookie. (pause)
Roguefort🧀: A sloppy disguise, I suppose.
Roguefort🧀: ...How did you know?
🌶: A thief's intuition?
🧀: Haha... how interesting.
To think you'd see through my disguise. (riiip)
🧀: Then I guess you're also aware that I have the jewel with me.
🌶: WHAT?!
🌶: HAND IT OVER RIGHT NOW!
GHH! (whish) (whish)
🧀: I wonder if you can catch me?
I am the best phantom thief who has never been caught to this day, after all~ ^^
🌶: Don't make me laugh, I'M the best!!
🧀: (heh) If so...
🧀: How about we admit that the cookie who steals this jewel is the best thief? (sparkle)
🌶: Heh, think I won't be able to snatch it from ya?
🌶: You'll end up regretting this.
🧀: We shall see.
WAIT!
!!! (pause)
(🌶) You?! Cheesecake Cookie?!
🌶: This place is your mansion too?;; (Just how many mansions do you have?!)
🧀: How did you know we were here?
Cheesecake🧀🍰: With all this terrible noise you've been making, wouldn't it be weirder to not know~?
Cheesecake🧀🍰: Apparently, it seems like you want to distinguish who is the best thief between you, but...
🧀🍰: Haven't you two already stolen all the decent treasures anyway?
Try stealing something a bit more difficult~
🌶&🧀: more difficult?
(grin) 🧀🍰That's right. If you're a real thief...
🧀🍰: How about trying to steal someone's heart?
🌶&🧀: !!!
(end of ch1)
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LINK TO CH 2:
CH2:
cheesecake🧀🍰: How about trying to steal someone's heart?
🌶: someone's... whuh?
RF🧀: Heart. someone's heart.
🌶: What's so great about stealing someone's heart?
🧀🍰: Stealing something tangible is too easy~
Why, don't think you can do it?
(frantically/fiercely) 🌶: WHADDYA MEAN!!
🧀🍰: And you, Roguefort?^^
RF🧀: (Heh) ...Seems like it'll be interesting. Though stealing someone's heart is also too easy for me...
🧀🍰: huhu~ Good, good!
🧀🍰: Then make sure both of you come back here at the same time again tomorrow!
I'll explain the details then~
(slide)
🌶: ...an invitation to a ball?
(creak/screech/squeal)
(footsteps)
🌶: (Where's Cheesecake?)
🧀🍰: Oh my~ Welcome, Chili!
🌶: What about Roguefort?
🧀🍰: Roguefort already arrived first and got started~ (hoho~)
🌶: WHAT?!
🌶: They beat me to it?! I gotta start quickly too, who's my target!?
🧀🍰: Wait, before that- (snap)
🧀🍰: Let's get you changed first!
🌶: GUH? (grab)
🧀🍰: Take her to the dressing room~ (what is that state you're in?)
🌶: WHAT THE, LET ME GO-!!
(thump, crash)
UWAAAGH!!!
(title: Who is the best thief?)
🌶:Ugh...!
🌶: What the hell is this!
🌶: guaah!! This dress is too stuffy/suffocating!! (creak creak)
🧀🍰: Oh my, is that so?
🧀🍰: Hold on-- Now where would my new Chocolaté Collection be... (toss toss)
🌶: ...By the way
What are you two doing here?
🥛: A part time job!
🥛: I have to buy Dark Choco-nim's goods, you see~ (hehe!)
💪: They released new protein, so I need money! (flex)
🌶: Ah...
🧀🍰: Chili! Try this on~
🌶: Phew, I think I can live now~!
🧀🍰: It suits you well~
🧀🍰: Here, take this.
🌶: What's this? ??
🌶: A mask?
🧀🍰: Tonight is a masquerade ball, you see.
🧀🍰: Your target is wearing a cat mask.
Between the two of you, the cookie who wins their favor first will win.
🌶: How would we prove that we won their favor?
🧀🍰: You just have to receive and bring back one of their things as proof/indication of winning. (You musn't steal it!)
🧀🍰: I already told Roguefort the same thing, so you should probably get going right away?
🌶: (WHAT?!) YOU SHOULD'VE SAID THAT EARLIER!
🌶: (A cat mask she said... where in the world are you?)
🍮iii: Can't I hold that for a sec?
🧙: No.
🍮iii: just once~!
🧙: No-!!!
🌶: Excuse me...
🌶: By any chance, have you seen a cookie wearing a cat mask around here?
🍓: ! (gasp)
🍓: Huh? Uh...
I, I... (th, that...)
🍓: I-I saw someone that way... (blush~) (note: speaking formally)
🌶: (whish) Ah, thanks!
🍓: 😳.....
🍮iii: trade with meee~!
🧙: I said no!!
🌶: ! (Over there!!!)
(loud footsteps)
RF🧀: ...So as I was saying...
🌶: Hi! Nice to meet you! (whack!) (shove)
🌶: For you to play dirty and go first...
(bzzzt)
(LET'S SEE WHO EMERGES THE WINNER!!!)
🐱:?
(/ch 2 end)
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LINK TO CH 3:
CH3:
🌶: ghh...
🌶: (I butted in all confidently but...)
(awkward) 🌶: (what the heck should I say?)
🧀: The moon is flying unusually high tonight... It must be because she is jealous of your beauty.
🐱: Oh my! 🌶(dripping down)
🌶: (Are they crazy?) (I can't say something cringey like that!!)
🍮: 'scuse me!
🌶: Huh?
🍮: She said she's got something to say to you!
🍓: U-um, well...
🍓: I-if it's okay with you... May I have this dance? (lit: will you dance 1 song with me?) (note: speaking very formally)
🌶: No, I...
🐱: My, you musn't refuse an invitation to dance, you know.
Please go on ahead! (lit: go and come back)
(zoned out)
🌶: (Dammit, I can't just leave Roguefort alone like this though-!!)
🌶: At this rate, I'm gonna lose..!
🍓: U-um, excuse me, by any chance...
🍓: Could it be that you didn't want to dance, but reluctantly agreed and forced yourself to for my sake...? (lit: ...pointlessly because of me, reluctantly came out)
🌶: Ah, it's not like that
🌶: To be honest, I don't really know how to dance. Today is my first ball, ya see.
🍓: I-is that so?!
🍓: Wh-what should we do, It's my first too tho...
🍓: I'm so sorry for making things troublesome for you...! (dashing off)
🌶: W-WAIT!
🌶: Are balls such a big deal? We just have to move to the beat, right?
🍓: B-but...
🌶: Look! Those guys are all enjoying themselves dancing, aren't they!
(🍮: You really can't dance!! (stomp stomp) )
🍓: Ah...
🌶: Let's just enjoy ourselves as well!
🍓: ...Okay!
(Wheee~) (/giggle)
🐱: ......
🧀: Pardon me,
🧀: The lobby is rather chaotic, so it seems like dancing might be difficult... shall we move to a quieter place?
🐱: Yes, sounds good. (footsteps)
🍓: Whew~
🍓: I had fun, thank you so much!
🌶: Me too! (hahaha)
🌶: (Gasp) (This isn't the time for that!)
🌶: I totally forgot I was in the middle of a bet. I have to quickly go back to stealing hearts... (whish whish) Where the heck did they go?
🌶: Hey, have you guys seen Roguefort Cookie?
🥂: Roguefort Cookie..?
🥛: Ah, I have!
🥛: I saw them go out to the garden a little while ago.
🌶: The garden?
(dashing footsteps)
🥂: Roguefort Cookie came to tonight's ball? They're not trying to steal something, by any chance...? (That was Chili Pepper Cookie just now, right?)
🥛: Ah, I heard they're doing a bet with Chili Pepper Cookie.
🥛: I encountered them while I was changing clothes... they really did disguise themself perfectly!
Mindful Consumption of Hazbin Hotel’s vodoo Content
There is no such thing as Voodoo; it is a silly lie invented by you whites to injure us. —William Seabrook, The Magic Island
(Article and Study Link Sources will be in the reblogs because Tumblr doesn’t let linked posts appear)
First of all, I’m not writing this as a Vodou practitioner. Or as a Creole POC. I’m simply an outsider making an effort to educate herself for mindful consumption of Hazbin Hotel content and avoid perpetuating misrepresentation of a religion.
(Image: Alastor with Vodou symbols and Vodou-inspired symbols behind him)
The portrayed dark magic of Hazbin Hotel’s Alastor is heavily themed with Hollywood Voodoo or the misrepresentation of Vodou in film. This can also apply with Dr. Facilier in “The Princess and the Frog.” Both characters are from New Orleans [18], [19] where Louisiana Vodou Vaudou is practiced. Both are therefore assumed to practice an evil version of said religion.
During my consumption of Hazbin Hotel content, someone once pointed out the worrying factor of Alastor’s magic abilities identified as Hollywood Voodoo.
According to my research, Hollywood Voodoo is a film outlet of “Imagined Voodoo” or the age-old White anxieties on Black people.
What Is Vodou?
(Photo taken from Huffpost)
Haitian Vodou is a religion of African descendants brought as slaves to the French colony of Haiti. It combines west and west central African religions with Native American and European cultural and religious elements.[1]
It is also known as Vodoo, Vodoun, Vudu and Vudun. But to avoid confusion, the term “Vodou” will be used consistently throughout this post when referring to the religion.
Slaves from Haiti are brought to New Orleans where it infused with its dominant religion, Catholicism. The Vodou-Catholicism hybrid religion is sometimes referred to as New Orleans Vodou.[2]
(Photo provided by Cheryl Gerber)
All Vodou rituals are healing rituals. It’s focused on the celebration of ancestral spirits (Lwa or Loa) through feasting, singing and ecstatic dance rituals to heal ailments and restore social bonds.[1]
Vodou practitioners believe of the visible world connected to the invisible world that can be transitioned to through Death. In the invisible world, the Lwa watch over and inspire us. The Lwa can be archetypes of human personalities such as Ogun the Warrior or predecessors. There is also the Bondye or their version of the supreme God who is loving but distant from individual human concerns. [3]
But despite this, a majority of foreigners synonimize “voodoo” with Haitian “black magic” or “sorcery.”[4]
What is Imagined Voodoo?
A Harvard study termed “Imagined Voodoo” to refer to the imagined religion and magical system of the American brain linked by the following White anxieties:
Black uprising
Black fetishization
Intermarriages that could lead to the dissolution of the White race
All under the guise of history or harmless entertainment, it negatively affects Black religiosity and in general, Black subjects. Unless we arm ourselves with information to prevent its perpetuation through us.
Alastor’s Themes and Voodoo Stereotypes
Stereotypes are often used in stories to save time on informing the audience through widely held and fixed oversimplified assumptions. The following Voodoo stereotypes are present in Alastor’s character traits and themes.
His Roots
According to Alastor’s Wikia page, he is part Creole.[20] In New Orleans, the term can refer to many kinds of people. In early history, “Creole” is a term for:
A slave born in the New World[5]
A free Person of Color[5]
People of Mixed Heritage[5]
Later on, White French and Spanish people residing in New Orleans adopted the term to differentiate themselves from Americans whom they found greedy and ambitious.[5]
A Creole person can be White, a POC or of mixed race from different places such as Haiti and Louisiana.
The team behind Hazbin Hotel may have made Alastor part Creole in order to avoid religion appropriation. However, Vodou is not an exclusive religion. [6] (EDIT: Vodou is an exclusive religion.) And even if they want to represent mixed Creole people, pairing Alastor with Hollywood Voodoo may not be a good way to do it.
Vodou practitioners today are targets of hate crime, especially in Haiti (sacred mapou trees are regular targets of vandalism and arson, worshippers risk harassment and violence, with lynchings not unheard of).[7] If the media continues to portray Vodou as evil, it may have a role in perpetuating the hate.
(Image of a Vodou ceremony from a video of The Guardian)
Depicted As Evil Magic
In America and Caribbean, Vodou was first practiced by slaves of African descent. Their religion was dismissed as superstition, their priests as witch doctors and their God and Lwa were denounced as evil. [3]
“They were treated as cattle. As animals to be bought and sold; worth nothing more than a cow. Often less,” anthropologist Ira Lowenthal stated.[7]
“Vodou is the response to that. Vodou says ‘no, I’m not a cow. Cows cannot dance, cows do not sing. Cows cannot become God. Not only am I a human being – I’m considerably more human than you. Watch me create divinity in this world you have given me that is so ugly and so hard. Watch me become God in front of your eyes.’”[7]
During the Haitian Revolution, many of the slaves were Voodooists and some of their military leaders were priests who inspired and organized them to fight for freedom. The imagery and vocabulary of Vodou became threatening to European and American colonies and was then brutally repressed. [3]
(Image from Lisapo Ya Kama)
Years later, Hollywood Voodoo is rooted in racism and acts as an outlet for White anxiety of Black vengeance. One example is the movie, “The Skeleton Key” where Black hoodoo practitioners (who had been lynched) stole the bodies and identities of White people for years.
For Alastor to continue using Hollywood Voodoo themed magic may continue the misinformation of Vodou by inspiring baseless fear and horror.
Voodoo Dolls and Pins
Voodoo dolls are universally associated with Hollywood voodoo and therefore, Vodou. But voodoo dolls are unheard of in the original Haitian Vodou.
In reality, they were inspired from the “poppet” of European witchcraft after an American writer heard Vodou is a witchcraft [8]. This American writer is most likely Victor Hugo Halperin where voodoo dolls first appeared in White Zombie (1932) [9].
Dolls are used in Vodou but only to represent Lwa and Bondye, sometimes the dolls are nailed on graves and altars, in order for the practitioners to communicate with them. The dolls also act as lucky charms and are not used to curse or cause harm with pins. [10], [21]
Cannibalism
(Screenshot of Alastor the Deer Demon eating a deer)
On February 13, 1864, 4 men and 4 women were executed for abducting, murdering and cannibalizing a 12-year-old girl by Fabre Geffrad, Haiti’s reformist president, who wished to make an example out of the 8 killers labelled as vodouists and leave the backwardness of its African past and its folk religion. With Haiti claiming their independence, the Westerns’ view on Vodou was proof that the “black republic ” cannot claim to be civilized.[11]
No transcripts of the trial survive. The most detailed account of the crime was written by Sir Spenser St John, the British charge d'affaires in Port-au-Prince -the place nearby the village where the murder happened. It was his account that defined Haiti as a place where ritual murder and cannibalism were common and often goes unpunished.[11]
(An artist’s engraving of the 8 “voodoo” practitioners found guilty of the murder and cannibalism of the 12-year-old Claircine from the Smithsonian Magazine.)
However, there was no other information supporting St. John’s claim that cannibalism is a norm for 19th century Haiti. The only two reports of cannibalism provided was from a French priest in 1870s and a white Dominican ten years later. Both have no evidence and both are suspected from their claim that they have penetrated secret ceremonies wearing blackface -if they have been undetected. However, they have influenced Victorian writers who have never visited Haiti.[11]
In the 19th century, American Jesuit missionary, Joseph W. Williams claims that sexual arousal from voodoo “orgies” causes devolution to lower animal states that causes them to cannibalize in an act of sexualized violence.[1]
In Joseph Murphy’s psychoanalysis, Imagined Voodoo allows White people to project their most disturbing desires onto a cultural Other.[13]
“The erotic and ecstatic elements in African-derived religions are selected and transformed into images of unrestraint and become vehicles for white sexual and aggressive fantasies… What is ‘dark’ and ‘black’ within the white psyche is projected onto what is ‘dark’ and ‘black’ in the social environment.”[13]
Because of the accusations of cannibalism, Vodou is seen as savage. Alastor is hinted to be cannibalistic (as seen by a speed drawing of him, a deer demon, eating a deer).[12] To continue to associate cannibalism with voodoo practice may continue the harm of misinformation.
Vodou Symbols
When Alastor uses magic, Vodou symbols or veves would sometimes appear.
In Vodou, different veves are used depending on the lwa or spirits the practitioners desired to invoke.
(Veve image from Catherine Beyer)
Damballah-Wedo is believed by the Vodou practitioners as the Sky Father and primordial creator of all life. He is depicted as a snake or serpent and is seen as a loving father of the world whose presence brings peace and harmony. [23]
(Veve image from Catherine Beyer)
A part of a veve in the screenshot is from the veve for Papa Legba -the gatekeeper of the spirt world. He is associated with the sun and is seen as a life-giver that transfers the power of Bondye to the living world. Rituals are started by praying to Legba to open the gates so that they can connect to the other lwas. [23]
(Ayizan Voudou Veve copyright 2009 Denise Alvarado, All rights reserved worldwide.)
The veve above is the veve of Ayizan. Ayizan is the lwa of commerce and herbal healing. She is associated with love and Vodou rites of initiation. Ayizan is believed to be the first archetypal mambo (priestess) and the protector of religious ceremonies.[14]
(Veve Image from ErzulieRedEyesArtAndSpirit)
The veve above is taken from the veve of Papa Loko. He is believed to be the first Vodou priest. His name has nothing to do with the American (EDIT: Spanish) slang word “loco” meaning crazy. Papa Loko is a revered knowledgeable spirit who offers spiritual guidance to those seeking formal initiation into Vodou.[15]
Met Kalfou is the master of the Crossroads. He is the crossroads where magic manifests regardless of which lwa is using magic for. He allows it to travel without judgement.[16]
Met Kalfou is often mistaken as some kind of demon or evil. He is believed to be the force through which all magic flows, be it good or ill. Met Kalfou is also the spirit of luck. As a manifestation of crossroads, he can see multiple outcomes of a situation. [16]
Santa Muerte is believed to be the personification of death itself.[17]
Using veves to portray evil when it incorrectly relates to what they symbolize can result in misinformation. Even if only parts of the veve are taken to be used to portray malice, it doesn’t change the fact that they still came from sacred symbols.
Is Alastor a Hoodoo Practitioner?
(Photo: Image of Hoodoo Candles from Wikipedia)
Hoodoo is based heavily on folk magic. It is not a religion. Although their beliefs have elements of African and European religions. Its tradition emphasizes on personal magical power with the intention to improve daily lives. Its a combination of African practices and beliefs and American Indian botanical knowledge and European folklore. It’s heavily practiced in the Southern US.[22]
Unlike Vodou, they have no designated priests or priestesses and no difference between initiates and laity. Hoodoo spells are commonly accompanied with Biblical text but are not performed in Jesus’ name. It uses tools, spells, formulas, methods, techniques. Tools can be herbs, roots, minerals, animal parts and personal possessions.[22]
Alastor MAYBE a hodoo practitioner. But there are possible problems of associating an occult of a minority as a tool of evil. It might be best if Alastor is only depicted using deer-radio-themed dark magic instead.
In Short…
Misrepresentation of Vodou has its roots on White fear of Black retribution as well as White “othering” and projecting of taboo concepts such as fetishization and cannibalism. This results in stigmatization of Black topics and Vodou practitioners. The continuation of Hollywood Voodoo plays a role in perpetuating its misrepresentation. However, informing ourselves may stop the perpetuation in us.
The way Hazbin’s fan base is trying to sweep Shay’s death under the rug is absolutely repulsive. Imagine being so selfish and delusional that when hearing that you pushed someone into actually taking their own life, the first thing that comes into your head is “Oh no!! That’s awful!! How will this situation make VIVZIEPOP look?!?!” You all are vile. Someone is dead, and you instead choose to make it all about your precious little idol.
The fact that it’s not just Vivienne’s diehard bootsucking fans trying to silence people who speak up about Shay’s death, but actual members of Spindlehorse staff as well is just as horrid. This will only encourage these psychopaths to keep doing what they’re doing even more, because they know that members of the crew will vouch for them, and since they’re somewhat connected to Vivienne, their word is practically law. Absolutely sick.
And the icing on top is that we all know that there’s virtually no chance of Vivienne actually addressing any of it, at least in a respectful manner. She’d rather twiddle her thumbs and let her friends and attack dogs to the talking for her, because telling her fans to quit it with the aggression would potentially lose her her personal army, and she can’t risk losing that.
This is terrible. Absolutely terrible, and we can’t let them get away with this anymore. To anyone reading, please spread as much awareness of Shay’s death as you can. Don’t let Vivienne’s musty band of mole rats stop you. People need to finally acknowledge just how poisonous this fandom truly is. Please. For Shay.
That’s all.
Professor Anon
I'm gonna be straight with you, Professor Anon...the person who wrote that doc didn't want to name names, but I sure as hell fucking do, and there's literally only one thing holding me back from doing so.
Until that changes, spread that doc wherever you can. They can mass report it in an attempt to cover for Viv and themselves, but we can make sure it has the opposite effect.
How come people like Camila Cuevas and Blogthegreatrouge get rightully admonished for their actions, but someone like Vivziepop(who has done worse in my opinion) gets defended a lot and to my knowledge, still hasnt changed(in regards to the workplace abuse allegations and hiring Raph)
Like, its weird the fans keep dismissing the workplace abuse allegations despite having mountains of evidence
(not to mention viv romanticizes and makes jokes r@pe, abuse, and sa, yet she tries to write about male victims of abuse
EDIT:Also like, remember when she joined in(idk if that is true) and is even friends with the people who harassed a fan over a ship??(and said fan offed themselves?) does anyone remember Shay?
Oh, that's Viv being mutuals with one of the main people who supposedly harassed Shay(fan who killed themselves) and was straight up gross,
It's so disappointing so many of you Vietnamese people are homophobic. When I try to follow a Viet account, you are always homophobic, or only ship straight and hate gay. Please, change ur ways.
What's the fuss??? Since when was I a homophobe??? And why shipping straight is a sign of homophobia???