Kate Berlant's experimental comedy is the best thing since oh God I'm melting | John Wenzel
Kate Berlant popped onto my radar when Denver comedy troupe The Grawlix flew her in for their monthly showcase, but it wasnât until I saw her at last yearâs inaugural High Plains Comedy Festival that I understood why The New York Times, Playboy, L.A. Magazine and others have been freaking out over her.
Berlantâs comedy is singular in the best and most confounding possible way. Watching her largely improvised sets is like watching a delusional, hilariously pretentious theater instructor wax poetic after dropping acid, but also a bit like listening to a business jargon-spouting New Age guru.
In other words, calling her inscrutable persona âweirdâ is like saying Andy Kaufman was KIND OF into toying with the conventions of comedy. And while itâs easy to see her a natural extension of Kaufmanâs theatrical meta-humor, Berlant is increasingly being embraced by non-festival, non-comedy-nerd crowds, which hints at the broadening definition of stand-up as much as its audience.
In honor of her return to Denverâs Oriental Theater on Friday, Jan. 31 for Sexpot Comedyâs Ice Queens of Comedy show â which sheâll co-headline with L.A. dynamo Beth Stelling, with opening sets from Denverâs Jordan Doll and Troy Walker â I caught up with the 26-year-old L.A. native to talk stand-up acceptance, truth in fiction, surreal experiences, and why her comedy isnât actually that weird at all.
Iâve never seen anything quite like your stand-up, which comedy fans seem to warm up to pretty quickly, but which could be a harder sell for your stereotypical audience at a strip-mall club. Are you ever worried people wonât get it?
Fundamentally, no. Sure, I get nervous before every show and it always feels like, âOh wow, I want to connect. How am I going to connect?â But just from doing it more and more, it becomes more possible too. You know? It still feels mystical. Stand-up is insane. Sometimes when you do it a lot you forget that and disassociate from how crazy it is, how inherently artificial it is, and how inherently scary it is, even though it doesnât so much feel that way to me anymore.
Have you ever noticed yourself adjusting your material to fit a certain crowd or venue?
I actually realized very recently that I donât. I went on tour opening for Father John Misty, doing like 25 cities, and I afterward I realized that I really donât adjust my material at all depending on where I am. Which I think is classically considered impossible for a professional stand-up. A pro would adjust their material. But I feel really lucky because two years ago I had some shows Wilmington, N.C. and I remember being really nervous, like âOh GOD!â But it went so well.
Was that your epiphany moment that this is the right path for you?
I actually had this moment a few years ago, maybe in 2009, where I felt like, âOh fuck, Iâm going to have to just go into performance art. Iâm going to have to apply for grants and Iâm going to go about it through that world.â But I always identified as a stand-up and felt like a comedian. And I feel lucky because Iâve never been forced to feel like what I was doing didnât belong in comedy. So there was a brief moment where I had a panic. I wasnât performing as much after that because I had this anxiety that I couldnât do what I wanted. So yeah, it was powerful for me to then feel like, âOh, this IS comedy.â Not that people donât think it is, but I realized I can do this in more traditional zones.
What was your style like when you started?
I did stand-up for the first time when I was 17, and since then Iâve been obsessed with it. But I was performing once a week, so not all the time. So maybe a safe number is to say Iâve been doing it for four years intensely. I started with this really hyper-constructed act where every word was planned. Lots of one-liners. I was still very methodical. The jokes were still strange or starting to play with abstraction a little bit.
Did you ever record your sets and watch them?
Yes, but I was very appalled. I still physically cannot bring myself to watch myself. I really canât do it. I think in some ways it hurts me, but other times I donât think so. Even if magically someone was filming a night where I thought I had a great time, I could look back and watch it and think itâs the most depressing thing. It loses all of its magic. I hate watching myself, but watching footage of myself at 18 doing stand-up once a week, itâs like watching this full-blown Eugene Mirman impression. It was exactly his intonation, because when I got into stand-up I was really obsessed with [Mirmanâs former NYC showcase] Invite Them Up. I memorized every word of the album.
Have you ever gotten an openly hostile response from an audience?
I did Zanies in Nashville and that was a time when I looked out into the audience and just saw like 45-year-old men with their faces mangled with gin blossoms looking at me kind of confused.
A lot of people, including me, have described your comedy as experimental. Do you ever take issue with that?
Itâs more of a thing of not wanting to talk about it, like not wanting to see how the sausage is made. Itâs potentially beside the point. I love critical language and I love talking about ideas and about what things do, but itâs always really embarrassing or grotesque somehow to describe what you do. Itâs always hard, and because illegibility is exciting to me, or confusion, it makes it even harder.
Do you think audiences are friendlier to your act now than they would have been during the comedy boom of the 1980s, for example?
[Long pause] Sorry, Iâm just picturing myself doing comedy in the 1980s. [Laughs] I think so. And I think itâs the internet. Thatâs the thing I think my comedyâs about, which could be skewered because of the type of statement that is, but it is. The way information becomes moved and people attach themselves to certain ideas and then discard them indiscriminately, like it doesnât even matter. Although you can feel this momentary conviction. Just the aesthetic of conversation online and trying on different personas and failing to really communicate but wanting to. I think in that way it may be more friendly because maybe people are more familiar with what my stuff feels like.
Do you feel connected to any particular tradition in stand-up? Iâve seen you compared to Andy Kaufman, even though thatâs a sort of reductive and easy thing to throw out there.
I feel totally connected. In no way do I feel outside of tradition. I guess the Kaufman thing is fair because my comedy is âweird.â But the word âweirdâ is so⊠I donât know. Just the way we scoff at people who are like, âYeah, itâs weird. Things are WEIRD.â I think if youâre doing anything that even just slightly resists or feels a little different than the usual then [Kaufman] is automatically brought up. I LOVE Andy Kaufman and would be flattered to be put in any proximity to him. But in terms of what I do, itâs just comedy.
How improvisational is your set? Iâve heard you never do the same set twice, Reggie Watts-style, but I imagine youâve got some favorite phrases and bits.
Itâs really night to night. For example, the other night I did like 20 minutes and I really just didnât want to say anything Iâd said before, and it felt good. It felt scary in a certain way to just completely go with that. The goal is always to abandon the plan. You know where things become exciting when you do that. But being on uneven landscape and having to react to it, itâs hard. Itâs scary to do that. The night before I did the 20-mintue show, I had this nightmare that I was doing an hour or something, and I just completely bombed. I just couldnât do anything. It was a classic anxiety dream. So the next night I said some of the things I said on stage on in the dream where I was bombing, where I was facing this wall of people and no one was making a sound and I was reacting to them.
Thatâs pretty surreal, to take a dream about bombing and make the material in that dream into a real set.
Exactly. I was like, âOh, I GET IT.â Iâm really trying to train myself to just really do what Reggie does, what Rory (Scovel) doesâthat kind of spontaneous aesthetic, that invented narrative thatâs so exciting to watch. Thatâs why stand-up is live, why it doesnât just feel like watching television. I love that and I love those nights. Of course I have language, I have my ideas of what Iâm thinking about and my mood. With improvising, itâs so much about your mood and how you feel. And obviously, even if youâre not improvising and itâs completely scripted itâs still totally your body up there. But like I said, itâs really night to night. I absolutely repeat things. I have my favorite things. Thatâs how I write: onstage. I have a highly fragmented notebook, like little highlighted words that trigger little things for me.
The persona is so flawless and inscrutable. Do people ever approach you thinking thatâs who you really are?
What I get a lot is, âYouâre CRAZY,â or âYouâre on acid,â or âAre you high?" Sometimes maybe people donât know how to talk to me? But thatâs not always true. I feel, all the time, so lucky and encouraged by people who react and like what I do. But yeah, I guuss there might be a confusion about where I am or who I am in it. Itâs strange to think about because I donât know how to reconcile where between nature and artifice I am.
I thought Jason Zinomanâs New York Times piece on you really captured that, and it's hard for me to think about your act lately without referencing that article. And then thereâs that famous Oscar Wilde quote about man being least himself when he talks in his own person, but give him a mask and heâll tell you the truth.
Yeah, I really liked that article. Itâs weird: in comedy, for anyone who cares about what theyâre doing, thereâs this thing of trying to pretend itâs all natural, like you donât think about it. And in some ways I really DONâT want to think about it. Itâs like with critical writing: you donât want to pull a performance from theory, you want to just do it.
Jargon is the enemy of journalism, and yet itâs sort of your stock in trade, however knowingly. Do you ever bone up on corporate and marketing speak or training manuals or whatever else to refresh that well that you draw from?
No, but Iâve been feeling lately that I really need to read again. Anything. PLEASE read again. I feel truly illiterate and kind of depleted lately, whereas a couple years ago I was reading so much and writing in that language, that sort of impenetrable sensual text that suggests meanings but really doesnât. Youâre like, âWait, WHAT?â And I loved that and it really fed me, but I havenât gone back to it. So sometimes Iâll read for like 20 minutes. Itâs like art stuff. I like video artists, like Ryan Trecartin. His work really speaks to me.
I canât let you go without talking about Denver, because this will be the third time the guys from the Grawlix and High Plains crew have flown you out in a little over a year.
Oh my God, Denver has been the most welcoming place. Iâve just met so many truly thoughtful people. Itâs so exciting and it feels so good to be accepted by people there. I did The Grawlix at the Bug Theatre (in August 2012) and that was the first time Iâd been to Denver. They brought me out for that and then I did the Fine Gentlemanâs Club show⊠whatâs that called?
Too Much Fun, their weekly show at the Deer Pile space.
Exactly, and that show was really fun. That was over a year ago, right? I truly have no understanding of time, which has suddenly become a problem. Iâm completely unable to map the occurences of my life in any chronology.
This sounds like something you need to explore on stageâŠ
 Yes!













