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[cicerosconcordia]

look i’m just a simple guy who’s interested in cicero involved with gay sex okay

[eugenieedanglars]

tumblr in the roman republic

🤔 politicalcitizen Follow

WHEN is cicero going to release the next philippic… i literally feel like i’m in the siege tower 😩

🗡️ antonysstola Follow

I didn't know people were still supporting C*cero. This is gross.

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨 curiontonyreal Follow

op, maybe you were joking, but this really isn't okay. c*cero has been ATTACKING antony ruthlessly. please do not support him and his harmful content....

#after the way he insulted antony and curio? not a good look. #cw cicero

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🏛️ mournfulcaesarian Follow

i mkss himm... i mjss him@so mucj

☄️ hopefulbeliever Follow

DIVVS IVLIVS watches over us even now.

CC notes

🛡️ liberator-4-ever Follow

are they seriously giving that freak imperium :/

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eheu! turning off reblogs since you can’t behave yourselves.

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oh to see antigone at the city dionysia…

#i was born in the wrong generation #all we have now is political discourse 😣

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Cutest Liberator (FINAL)

M. Junius Brutus

G. Cassius Longinus

Voting ended onAug 7, 2024

🏛️ mournfulcaesarian Follow

disgusting.

🩸aristogeitoncore Follow

Yet another uneducated pleb with no real-world experience here to tell us why “Caesar was good, actually”. Come back when you’ve donned the toga virilis.

#Btw CASSIUS SWEEP!!!!

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Dinner party at my place tonight!

👩🏻 palatinegirl Follow

#Full disclosure we will be hurling my political opponents off the Tarpeian Rock.

hey op what the fuck does this mean?

CLVIII notes

[shranstan]

Reading any historical fiction and non-fiction set in I century B.C.E. and Cicero my friend Cicero is always there <3 #mycicero

[cicerosconcordia]

pov the senate after cicero’s famous in verrum speeches

[vor-leser]

menelaus but i put way too much effort into the design of his armour

[vyvilha]

publius clodius pulcher rolls the "worst joint ever", asked to LEAVE the bona dea festival

[artofbeans]

Nimona is badass and poor Ballister is just very overwhelmed.

Been meaning to do a Nimona piece for a while!

[valtsv]

wore my thigh high boots on a walk today and we had to take a path through some long grass and while everyone else was rolling their pants into their socks and putting on jackets to protect themselves from ticks i was standing there smug as hell in my thigh high leather boots.

[valtsv]

a hoe never gets lyme disease

[perditionsflames]

[m0th0er]

[alabasterapricot]

there's a vase by the painter Euthymides from about 510-500 BCE depicting the arming of Hector on one side and a group of drunken revellers on the other.

Euthymides has written an inscription about a rival vase painter on this vase which translates to 'as never Euphronios could do'.

I love how petty humans can be.

[alabasterapricot]

Thinking about the Exekias belly amphora again.

On one side are the Greek heroes Achilles and Ajax, presumably waiting in the dry spell between the fighting of the Trojan War. They're playing a board game, which Achilles is winning (you can see by their speech bubble inscriptions). Their shields are leaning up behind them, and they're still wearing their armour, and their cloaks hand-engraved with miniscule details dyed in purple and white.

The other side of the vase shows the Dioscuri returning home from a hunt. You wouldn't know they were gods and royalty if their names weren't inscribed next to the figures. Tyndarius is patting the horse on the nose and Pollux is greeting the dog. It would be quite technically difficult to show Castor's body twisting around like that, so Exekias has put a horse in front of him to hide any difficulty.

There's also a kalos inscription on this vase saying basically 'onetorides is handsome' which is completely unrelated to the scenes, because vase painters would sometimes write random little inscriptions fangirling over whatever person was popular at the time.

Something something about famous mythic heroes being portrayed in completely mundane and human situations, rather than glory. I think people are pretty cool. Anyway go look at Greek vase painting.

[mcaelius]

[kisu-doodles]

cw: for implied nudity! Some extremely stupid doodles of odysseus revealing his identity to the suitors just as homer described i swear

[alienorchids]

京, 2001

[wayba3]

Bro is getting out of there noooo problamo, he's easy he's gooood no problem

[elasticveins]

Tiktokers when a complex character 😱😱😱

[mocasyll]

I know I usually post stuff about Art, BUT FUCK

Any of my friends who see this, please give me your opinions

So, I love the people of the Greek mythology fandom. I've loved Greek mythology for as long as I can remember, but some of yall are pissing me off. (this isn't strictly about the Achilles thing, no)

This is partially about Jorge's upcoming Ilium musical, and issues with the fandom as a whole, basically the Iliad and Odyssey fandom. I know saying this won't change anything, but I want to surround myself with people who agree with me.

The issue is people can't fucking separate the actual myths and original sources from modern adaptions.

One of the best parts to me about Greek mythology and the Iliad is that a lot of it is up to interpretation, but people seem to forget that.

I've seen FAR too many posts about what people want Jorge's Ilium to be like, but you forget it's up to him what he wants. It's his vision.

"If Patroclus and Achilles aren't a thing, I'm not listening." Or, "If they are a thing, I'm not listening." You act like everything is cannon when this is up to interpretation. JORGE'S interpretation. Would it be nice if they were a thing? Yes. Do they have to be a thing? No.

And that's just one example.

People keep acting like it HAS to go their way, but that's just not how this fandom fucking works.

OBVIOUSLY, there are things that NEED to happen for it to be an Ilium musical. But not everything is 100% cannon.

Some people interpret Achilles and Briseis as a thing, some people interpret it more as a toxic relationship, but we know she's held captive as a war prize. We know she was taken from her home. Obviously, there'd be issues between them, but let people do what they will, as long as they understand it's NOT cannon.

As someone's who's done research on and has read part of a translation of the Iliad, It pisses me off when people act like the way they interpret things is cannon 100%.

And another thing.

Paris the musical. The song of Achilles. The silence of the girls.

They're all modern adaptions, no they're not 100% accurate.

Paris and Helen were never in love and Helen did not dislike being with Menelaus as far as I understand. BUT IT'S A MODERN ADAPTION. No one should use it as evidence or facts for the Iliad.

We should appreciate modern adaptions for what they are and the work put into them without mixing them up for cannon.

I personally love Paris the musical, but don't think in the slightest it's accurate to their story. I understand it's not the same and keep it separate.

It is okay for people to have their own opinions on it, to hate it for it's inaccuracy. That's 100% understandable.

But I've gotten hate and have seen many people hated on for liking modern adaptions.

So two points to this.

Stop attacking people who enjoy modern adaptions because they're not accurate.

And stop mistaking modern adaptions for cannon.

It goes both ways.

I'm not even going to get into the hate on The Song of Achilles, bro...

My next thing, the character we like and enjoy, or relate to the most. Personally, I like Achilles. He was my very introduction to Greek Mythology from a very young age and has stuck with me since. But that doesn't mean I should defend everything he does, or hate on people who like, let's say, Agamemnon, because they argue and fight.

I've seen it happen. And it's annoying. Stfu and let people enjoy what they enjoy. They aren't hurting anyone. And again, this goes the other way around, and can be used for anything and any character in this fandom.

I know this is long and I know it's probably a rage post, but idc. I love you all, but for the love of God...

I know this won't change the hate in this fandom. It's a fandom on the internet for God's sake, and it won't ever stop.

BUT PLEASE LET PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OPINIONS,

IN TIRED OF THIS BS.

(moots, feel free to give your views, you don't have to agree with me all the way, I'm down for different views, as long as it's not hostile. I love you all.)

I'm tagging @gbee333 because you're my closest friend here

And @lordx-cycles because you're very good at analyzing and giving your views on things and I'd love to hear from you

[cicerosballsack]

I think this is an important post which I want at the top on my account!!

In the past I have had some very strong feelings about pieces of modern classical reception (namely the Troy movie, The Song of Achilles etc..) and since making those posts i have begun actually studying classics at university have begun thinking more critically about what these pieces of media mean.

My first particularly meaningful interaction with the ancient world was with Madeline Millers novels when i was about 12 and they CONSUMED me. I was undiagnosed with adhd at the time and as a result developed what some may see as a rather unhealthy relationship with these books. I railed against anyone who had a bad word to say about them and when I was old enough to really understand the Iliad and the Odyssey, i became unreasonably angry at anyone who enjoyed the portrayals of certain characters in the Madeline Miller books (just look at posts made in 2022 and before…)

Having seen the classical world becoming more mainstream in modern media due to the increased popularity of Natalie Haynes (<3) and the wonderful Epic musical it is so so easy to rip apart such pieces of media and forget the PURPOSE of them.

Madeline Miller, Pat Barker, Jalapeño man are all about making classics accessible to those who may have never come across the ancient world as an enjoyable topic, and have maybe grown up learning ancient languages and hating it (such as myself) or those who haven’t had any contact with it at all.

The two main points OP gives are super super important to me- let people enjoy these adaptations, but also remember where they came from and what has inspired them. If you have no interest in reading the classical texts then that is OK! They are daunting and somewhat impenetrable to many. After all, who wants to read a whole 1000 line section of a text devoted purely to listing obscure geographical regions and militia in ancient macedonia?

Pieces of modern classical reception are essential elements of what keeps classics alive. So what if they are dramatised? Surely interest in the ancient world outweighs the complications of inaccuracies by miles?

I am 19 now, and i read the song of achilles when i was 12. Thanks to that book and the passion it sparked, i now get to wake up every morning to a day full of tutorials about the texts i love the most and that to me is the most wonderful thing in the world.

What OP is saying is what everyone who is lucky enough to have wider knowledge of the classical world should remember when reading modern reception. So fucking what people have different opinions about how characters should be portrayed? At least people have opinions on them!

Basically what im trying to say is have your opinions (theyre important!), but feel love towards all of these wonderful artists and authors who create content that puts us in touch with those who loved the same stories and characters 3000 years ago.