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What if I said that secret protocol is proof that the lie plot is the worst, least interesting plot of season 6? What then?
I mean I can see your point!! I feel the lie plot is like a red herring. others could be worried about literally anyone finding out Marinette is lying about Gabriel, while those who pay attention to details notice Lila’s been here the entire time!! Watching. Waiting. Literally fucking stalking Marinette.
Yeah!! But the reason people focus so heavily on the lie is because the writers decided "Marinette gaslights her boyfriend about his abuser" was an appropriate red herring instead of quite literally anything else they could have come up with. Red herrings are supposed to distract you from the true plot, leading the viewers and the characters on a wild goose chase.
The Lie plot doesn't do that. Marinette really did lie about gabriel, and she did spend all of lady chaos and Mr. Agreste gaslighting him about his abuser. If it's supposed to be a red herring, they fucked that up unfortunately, and ruined Marinette in the process.
Of course all of this goes back to the horrible decision to never let Adrien confront his father, just because they couldn't let bugganoire be some cool concept art and accept that the show took them in a direction where Adrichat needed to be in the final battle.
Too bad the prophet Cassandra never met Odysseus
They say if she made a prophecy Nobody would believe her
I’ve gotta say, that is exactly the kind of stupid thing that probably would circumvent a curse.
Cassandra: YOU ARE ALL GOING TO REGRET THIS SO MUCH YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW.
Odysseus: Regret it why?
Cassandra: You won’t believe me if I tell you. If I prophecy, nobody believes me. That is my curse.
Odysseus: … I’m Nobody. Fill me in.
*A couple of months later*
Odysseus: HELLO PENELOPE, I AM HERE PRECISELY ON TIME AND NOT YEARS LATE incidentally I rescued and adopted a Trojan seer while I was away, she’s great, got me home really fast, Cassandra this is your new mother who’s not going to treat you like shit.
Penelope: … I’m going to need more details, but okay, sure.
Cassandra: *in tears* I love you, new family.
Cassandra: Penelope, I’ve had another vision.
Penelope, sighs: Go tell your father.
the original? on my dash?
You ever meet a kid so shitty you're immediately like "I want to adopt you as my own so I can instill into you the values of dignity and compassion and respect for self and others that your guardians have so obviously neglected, so that you may escape the unhappy future that lies ahead of you with all the smoldering ashes of wasted potential" but also, like. I punt you like a football
Drop the vape u little turd I'm gonna take an active interest in your passions and buy u pants that fit. When was your last dentist appointment. U wanna go to summer camp
and then you didn't
Did u want me to kidnap a child
*Batman
*House(Yes he's a dick, but a compassionate one)
*Jason Todd
*Alfred fucken Pennyworth
(Add more Please)
me and you both, translator 😰😰😰
The butterfly affect
How many Adrien stans are left I'm curious...
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the thing with marinette is that there is a lot of valid criticism about her. and the other thing is that y'all wouldn't hate her to even a fraction of the same degree if she were a boy.
Honestly if Marinette was a boy...this show would have been canceled...this isn't like the early years Marinette would have been canceled
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I don't think Kim is dumb he's just aro ace
I don't think he's dumb (in a normal sense)or aroace just in that spot where he's just confused about he's sexual orientation so it comes out in dumbness or meaness doesn't help that his parents seemed to infantdalise(can't spell) him... like he's parents are sweet but to much sweetness can sour the batch ya know it's kinda both like Marinette (again to much sweetness)and Chloe (to much sour)
everyone's learning new things
Now that would make so much sense
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Here's the problem. It's gonna be hard to keep this from happening again, because it's not really a "bad choices" sort of issue. It's a "he's an idiot" sort of issue. Unless someone is actually able to sit down and teach him about emotional intelligence and how to not be gullible, this is likely to recur.
The Kim and Kimdine slander needs to fucking stop!
Let anyone ship or not ship what they want and there right anyway Kim is dumb...this will happen again.
I disagree with you. His not THAT DUMB bro was willing to save Ondine from Akuma to just to let you be reminded he wasn't even going to need on using his Powers to when doing that
I didn't say overly dumb,but bro is dumb...
Here's the problem. It's gonna be hard to keep this from happening again, because it's not really a "bad choices" sort of issue. It's a "he's an idiot" sort of issue. Unless someone is actually able to sit down and teach him about emotional intelligence and how to not be gullible, this is likely to recur.
The Kim and Kimdine slander needs to fucking stop!
Let anyone ship or not ship what they want and there right anyway Kim is dumb...this will happen again.
Complaints about Miraculous Ladybug part 1
I'm going to preface this by saying that I am not up to date with the show at all, though I have seen bits and pieces and heard other updates. I dont know how many of these posts I will make, and I may have covered some of these before, but the salt is currently running through my veins so I will see where it gets me 🤣
Theory; Ray and his friends aren’t helping Lila, they’re helping Chloé, who is the one helping Lila:
Do you remember how Chloé and Lila worked together in Season 5? In the episode where Marinette exposes Lila for her lies, Lila leaves the school, and it’s revealed that she has another identity called “Cerise.” In that scene where Lila takes off her wig, she calls Chloé and says, “The war is only just starting, be ready.”
By that point, Lila was already planning to steal Gabriel’s Butterfly Miraculous, so I believe that “war” refers to everything that’s happening in Season 6, since most of the akumatizations this season are connected to Marinette.
In the following episodes, we see that Lila and Chloé keep in contact without anyone knowing, and everything Chloé does in those episodes where she takes control of Paris is because she’s following Lila’s orders.
I think they’re still in contact, and Chloé continues to receive orders from her. Why?
In the episode Climatiqueen, we see Chloé creating a contest where 100 people compete against each other. I think that plan was Lila’s idea, and Chloé just carried it out. The contest was basically an excuse to provoke negative emotions and cause someone to get akumatized and that’s exactly what happened: Aurore ended up being akumatized in that episode.
Later, in Daddycop, we see Sabrina feeling sad while watching videos of Chloé throwing shade at her. I think those videos were part of a plan between Chloé and Lila for Sabrina to see them, feel hurt, and end up getting akumatized since that was originally Lila’s plan, to akumatize Sabrina.
Then, in Revelator, the person spreading false rumors about Marinette and her relationship with Adrien is Vincent, who’s part of the Bee community. In my opinion, Vincent did all of that because someone told him to and I think that someone could be Chloé (since while he was speaking badly about Adrien, he also mentioned that fashion fans now prefer Chloé). I believe Lila came up with that plan to get Marinette akumatized, but things didn’t go as they expected.
Now, keeping in mind that Ray and his two friends might be bullying Marinette and her friends under Chloé’s orders, it all makes more sense. If they were just doing it to be mean, they’d target anyone, not specifically Marinette’s group. They think they’re doing it for Chloé, but in reality, they’re doing it for Lila without realizing it, since thanks to their actions, Lila gets new victims to akumatize.
Uhhhh...wtf anyone would be mad/sad at getting shade tossed at them especially if it's your ex as for Ray working for Chloe do you really see Ray doing that for anyone let alone his copy
Another Senti he's called"The eye's" his master is another peacock Holder genderbent Marinette
He can multiply and turn invisible
If you take the character of Marinette Dupain-Cheng as the show actually portrays her, rather than the character she’s intended to be, you actually end up with a character who’s surprisingly consistent.
At her core, Marinette is a girl who operates on the strong underlying belief that people are emotionally fragile. It’s a belief that was instilled in her by her parents (mostly Tom) being overprotective and making a big deal (even panicking) from even small things that inconvenienced her (as seen in weredad). Marinette ended up learning that even a small amount of discomfort is something akin to harm.
The overprotective parenting also meant that Marinette never had to learn to cope with disappointments, failure or rejections, which means she failed to develop emotional resilience in handling those things. This then further reinforced her underlying belief that discomfort is harm because she had such a strong emotional reaction to those things so her brain learned to associate them as something Very Bad.
This leads to a few obvious traits. She can’t handle stress well. She’s anxious and catastrophizes at the smallest obstacle. Her self esteem is very dependent on external validation (as she never developed the tools to manage it herself) and even small missteps can send her into a spiral that ends with her considering herself The Worst EverTM. On the flipside, she’s very quick to bounce back once she has that external validation and during those times her self esteem is pretty high.
During those periods of high self esteem, she doesn’t consider herself to have any flaws or done something wrong (as being confronted with a mistake or a wrong she did would send her spiraling into low self esteem). At times there also seems to be an underlying belief that she’s better than others (like in the episode copycat) and being shown up by others in something that’s important to her will be perceived as a threat, either to her self esteem (see her reaction to Chat Noir showing an unexpected talent) or as a concrete threat (see her reaction to Sublime, Kagami and initial reaction to Lila before she learned she’s a liar).
The belief that discomfort is harm also manifests in several less obvious ways. First and foremost is her avoidance by any means of discomfort, which is at the core of many of her more morally dubious actions (there are many times where she lies to avoid discomfort, either of her own or the other person, she steals Adrien’s phone in copycat to delete the voice message, she lies to Adrien about his father at the end of s5).
However, it also leads towards an underlying distrust in others. Marinette grew up in a happy and loving family, so she perceives people as being fundamentally good and trustworthy. She’s also pretty anxious about upsetting others because she believes that they’re easily hurt. So despite thinking people are fundamentally good, she acts like people close to her will turn on her if she makes any missteps (see her behaviour after she accidentally deleted the Ladybug video from Alya’s phone, some of her catastrophizing about Adrien breaking up with her also fall into this category).
Those last two traits lead to many of her control freak tendencies. If people are easily hurt, and small mistakes can result in catastrophes, then the way to prevent that from happening is by controlling as many variables as possible so she could get the desired outcome. This is a big trait for her and results in many of her common behaviours as well as many of her worse actions.
Her overconvoluted schemes tend to be this way because of that, especially as far as Adrien is concerned. She can’t just ask him out on a date because then he could say no. Her plans are all aimed at minimizing her chances of rejection, as she doesn’t try to figure out how to confess her feelings to Adrien, but rather how to make him fall in love with her so that by the time she confesses her feelings he says yes. Knowing his schedule and her instances of stalking are generally because of this trait, as well as bullying any girl that gets near Adrien and seems to be a potential romantic threat.
It’s also the cause of her manipulating Chat Noir in Ephemeral as otherwise she runs the risk of him saying no to her plan, something which she explicitly stated as her motivation for the manipulation.
The other main core trait that informs Marinette’s personality is how she didn’t yet reach that stage in development where you internalize that other people aren’t NPCs but have their own rich inner lives that are different to your own.
As a result she has low empathy and struggles to put herself in another’s shoes or even imagine that it’s possible that someone’s experience differed from her own. The most notable place this shows up is her attitude towards child abuse. Namely, that she doesn’t seem to realize it’s a thing or that there are situations where children are better off without their parent. That’s why she reconnected Chloe with Audrey even after she saw how Audrey treated Chloe, and it’s why she thinks letting Adrien remember Gabriel in a positive light is something good.
It also seems to show up a lot in her attitude towards Chat Noir where she doesn’t quite seem to internalize the idea that Chat is a boy that exists outside the mask most of the time and that he has a life of his own as a civilian. (Kuro Neko is the most blatant culprit where he misses a few fights and she assumes he’s just taking a break based on absolutely nothing).
It also leads to her being quite self centered in the way she views things and reacts to them, as it’s always how it’ll affect her and how she feels that is being considered. (In Mister Agreste she’s concerned with how guilty she feels for lying, not with how the lie would harm Adrien. In Guilttrip she’s concerned with her feelings about Rose’s illness and her attempts to cope with such feelings rather than what Rose wants.)
That being said, she’s not the most self aware person either. There are a lot of times where she’s unaware of her true motives (see most of her rationalizations for bullying the girls she’s jealous of). She also rarely stops and reflects, and when she does it’s only about specific actions rather than any personality traits of hers or general patterns of behaviour. That’s why she keeps making the same mistakes over and over again despite learning a lesson at the end of the episode.
It doesn’t help that she has a lot of big emotions she often acts upon and has trouble regulating because she never needed to learn how to do that by herself. As a result, she often ends up outsourcing her emotional regulation by making other people manage her moods. (The many pep talks she gets and arguably fishes for, the time she physically Chat Noir in the trash).
She seems to struggle with complexity and nuance in general as her thinking tends to run pretty black and white (she’s either the best or the worst, people are either good or evil, she’s either going to have a fairytale romance with Adrien or he’ll dump her and hate her forever).
She generally sees the world in a pretty simplified way that seems to be modeled according to popular narratives that are common in culture. Her understanding of romance is in line with how movies present it rather than about having a real relationship. She tends to think of herself as a knightly figure and Adrien as a damsel figure in a way that aligns with fairytales.
Her thinking of herself as a knightly figure is also what leads to a lot of her more heroic traits.
She’s very driven by her sense of justice. Now, whether said sense of justice actually manages to correctly clock injustices in a morally sound manner is another thing. But if she feels like something is wrong or unjust she’ll move to try and correct it, sometimes by calling out the person responsible and a lot of time by trying to fix the issue.
She’s very much a problem solver who strives to “fix” a problem however she can. She struggles handling a situation where there’s still an open problem that she can’t make better. (That seems to be at least partially her motivation for the big lie, as she talks in the London special about the only thing she can fix is how Adrien remembers his father.)
However, due to many of the traits mentioned above, her fixes tend to create as many problems as they solve. (Her reconnecting Chloe and Audrey, her treatment of Rose in Guilttrip, Sublimation, about half the episodes where she’s the inciting incident for the plot).
It’s a similar story with her sympathy. When she sees someone distressed it’ll make her feel distressed as well and attempt to fix it. She’ll manage to do it if the advice she needs to give aligns with her experiences or is a general, simplified, socially acceptable advice (like to Ivan in ETDP), but once the situation is out of her comfort zone she won’t do well and will struggle to listen to what the person is really saying (Juleka in Guilttrip, Adrien in Mister Agreste).
In general, she has a tendency to jump to conclusions and run away with the first assumption she makes. This applies in most situations, whether it’s about her judgement of a person (like Zoe in Sole Crusher), her fantasy daydreams or her catastrophizing.
It also means that she has trouble seeing any consequences to her actions other than those she intended and in general struggles to think through the long term consequences or implications for things. This trait also comes from her being a teenager, who aren’t exactly known for their ability to think about long term consequences.
This is already getting way longer than I intended, so here are some rapid fire traits she has that I didn’t get a chance to mention beforehand.
She’s charismatic and obviously very creative. Other than fashion designing, she also seems to have some impressive mechanical skill considering some of the contraptions she built (the diary trap in darkblade, the code locked sewing box for the miraculous in s4).
She has a lot of trust and respect for authority, which makes sense given her history and background.
She’s someone who’s very image conscious and cares a lot about how she comes across, especially in the context of whether she’s liked or not. She has a hard time handling someone disliking her unless she dislikes them first. And she cares about being seen as good, not just as nice.
Honestly, Marinette can be a very compelling character when you actually engage with how she’s written in the show. You just need to acknowledge all of her character, including the flaws.
This is a really good analysis of Marinette. It brought up a few points, especially about her upbringing, that I missed in my analysis but make a lot of sense.
I love a character with flaws like her (the stalking because she’s a control freak, trying to fix everything and ultimately making it worse, her actions based on her upbringing) because no one is perfect. The rationalization behind her actions goes to show that she is just an immature girl who needs to learn and mature. Honestly, I see a lot of my younger self in her.
Honestly if they did that I 100% think Marinette's would be better