Ruminating

[ube-kun]

Commission

[tangledbea]

How did Gothel hide coming and going from Rapunzel before she was old/strong enough to use her hair as a rope? Raps doesn't know about the hatch in the movie which is why she went through the window with Eugene in the movie. But she couldn't have been using her hair to haul Gothel up her whole life. The earliest she could have done it is maybe 8 or 9 years old, so was how was Gothel getting in before that? Gothel would hide the real entrance from Raps. Do you think Gothel used a memory wipe?

While this isn't canon, I have always headcanoned that Gothel used a big, person-sized basket with a rope, and lifted and lowered herself in and out of the tower while Rapunzel' was a baby's hair was growing out. She probably started doing that once Rapunzel was about two years old. After all the entry at the base of the tower was outright bricked up, so Gothel wasn't using that at all for years and years, and two is just about when the long term memory starts to kick in (ignoring Rapunzel's canonically brilliant and unrealistic infant memories).

Anyway, I headcanon she did this herself until Rapunzel was strong enough to "help Mummy," and then when it was completely worn out beyond repairing, she swapped it out for Rapunzel's now-long hair.

[clearwhispersblizzard]

I always thought it was weird that Gothel used Rapunzel's hair as a rope at all considering how her life is attached it. Rapunzel's hair wasn't indestructible in the movie and I would think that Gothel wouldn't want to risk her hair ripping apart and losing its power.

[theinternetarchivist]

I didn't realize just how short Varian is until I considered the fact that Rapunzel is apparently 5'1 and he is like. Shorter than her. Like holy crap how tall is this kid

[tangledbea]

This is true of season one, but he's the same height as/taller than her by the end of season three!

[theinternetarchivist]

See this is fascinating to me because in some clips in season 3 he’s actually shorter than her, plus he’s wearing heels now so idk lol

[tangledbea]

I did say the end of season three. Your screencap is from before my screencap.

[clearwhispersblizzard]

his hight is inconsistent at best

[tangledbea]

Why did hook hand hated Eugene in the series was there something I miss in the movie or the show that explains why he hated him and if not then it feel a little weird and off that the choice to do that for no reason (also I just came up with a head cannon that maybe he did something to hook hand during the week long celebration in the movie and he doesn’t remember and so he never apologized and that why hook hand hate him idk what do you think)

Hook Hand never really liked Eugene.

It was Rapunzel he warmed up to, not Eugene. He and the other Pub Thugs helped Eugene escape because he was going to help her, not for his own sake. "I'm malicious, mean, and scary." Eugene follows his rule, Rapunzel is the exception to his rule.

Like I said in this post yesterday, they’re just not vibing with him. And they never claim to be nice people, just multidimensional people. The rest of the Pub Thugs had the six months between the end of the movie and TBEA began to get to know Eugene better and start to like him more.

[tangledbea]

I don’t think this fandom talks enough about the fact that Rapunzel knows exactly what it’s like to watch the love of her life die in her arms holy trauma bro

The thing is, there's this moment, a few minutes in fact, where literally everything about her life has changed all at once. Pascal is the only constant. Her mother isn't her mother, and is also dead. Her hair -- the one thing she's been told her whole life is her only value -- is gone. The only person who saw beyond the value of her hair, the man she loved, is dead in her arms. The only home she's ever known is a lie, because she's actually a princess. The world is not as dark and scary as Gothel always told her, although aspects of it are (still, most of it is wonderful).

And during these few minutes, her greatest wish is that Eugene was still alive. He's been the best part of all the new things, and she just wants him back. She wants him to have not sacrificed himself for her, because what is this new life without him? She wants to face the weight of this new truth with him, and experience all the world has to offer with him.

[nerdasaurus1200]

I might be the only one who thinks this but I actually would’ve liked it if Cap had a normal helmet here.

It would’ve been cool to see even a subtle kinda progression of his military career from Rapunzel being kidnapped to the current events of the show. And I always wonder who the Captain was before him.

[majorabbey]

No, you're not the only one at all. My entire attitude towards that is basically:

because, I'm sorry, I don't believe he was captain 20 years ago. Unless, of course, he has aged incredibly well.

With that in mind, though, it's interesting that they went to the effort of making him look younger, but didn't bother changing his uniform. I mean, it's pretty obvious who this is, even with the longer hair. He doesn't need to wear the exact same outfit.

[nerdasaurus1200]

That’s also kinda the drawback of having a 2d animated show. It’s got less budget and different style than a 3d animated movie. In the movie you can see Frederic and even Arianna have both gone a little grey

You can see the bags under Arianna’s eyes and the laugh lines that weren’t there 20 years ago. You can see how gaunt and hollow Frederic’s face looks. It even looks like his cheeks have kinda sunken down.

But in the show, aside from Frederic’s gray hair those details are all gone

[majorabbey]

Yeah, I've noticed that, too. Which makes it stand out to me that Cap not only has more hair, but a thicker mustache as well. That was worth the effort, but not changing the uniform (which might even have been easier)?

I mean, I'm not complaining. I appreciate this glimpse of Young Cap. But I find it hard to believe he was still captain that long ago. My mind basically becomes Nick Fury in that image (I had the same problem with "The Rise of Flynn Rider". Don't believe he was captain then, either).

[king-artificer]

Pascal has canonically killed more people than both Cassandra and Varian combined if you really think about it

[tangledbea]

Zero? Because Pascal killed zero people. Gothel was already dying when he tripped her. All he did was prevent Rapunzel from having to deal with a tower full of bone dust.

[clearwhispersblizzard]

when did Varian or Cassandra kill ANYONE during the show? Attempts were made by both but neither of them canonically kill anyone even during the hight of their aggression during the show.

[astraea-and-her-novels]

can you imagine being Rapunzel's birth parents during the main events of the movie?

Like it's your daughter's 18th birthday, the same daughter that you haven't seen since she was born. You're preparing to celebrate her birthday, your yearly tradition, when someone steals the crown you had made for your baby when she was born. The last thing you have left of her.

Obviously, you send every soldier that can be spared to retrieve the crown, to bring back some semblance of your daughter, but they are unsucsessful. but then, after you light the lanterns and retire to your chambers with grief, news comes in. The man who stole the crown has returned, and you order his execution. The next day, he escapes, riding on the best guard in your stables, and before you can make light of the situation, he returns, but this time he does not have the crown. He has your daughter, the one you lost 18 years ago.

[tangledbea]

Heard that Eden Espinosa and Susan Egan were on the Disney Destiny cruise and apparently they did a show called Broadway Stars. Surely, they must have sung Disney songs as it’s Disney Cruise Line. That’s pretty cool. Any Tangled songs? :)

It looks like they're presently performing! Their run is June 1st - 6th!

Experience the magic of the Broadway Stars Series, an elite entertainment offering on select Disney Cruise Line sailings. Created by 10th & Main Productions founders, Susan Egan and Adam J. Levy, this series brings world-class performers directly from the stages of New York and London to the high seas. A duo of powerhouse vocalists - many of whom headlined in iconic Disney roles - deliver showstopping performances of Disney favorites, while sharing heartfelt, behind-the-scenes stories from Broadway, the West End and beyond!

I saw Susan Egan in concert a few years ago, along with several other Disney/Broadway stars! It was for a Disney 80s & 90s retro night at the Hollywood Bowl! James Monroe Igelhart wasn't there, but he was a pre-recorded narrator for it!

The two biggest highlights for me were when Susan was talking about playing Belle on Broadway vs. Megara for Hercules. Disney didn't want to let her audition for Meg, because they looked at her Belle performance and decided it was a bad fit. But, as she explained it, "Belle was acting. Meg is where I live." She eventually got the audition, and the role.

The other highlight was Bill Farmer (voice of Goofy) performing "On the Open Road" with Corbin Bleu in the role of Max and the ensemble as the rest of the bit parts.

[jarpout]

Why is it that in Tangled during “I’ve got a Dream” and Flynn Rider is singing his bit, the ruffians are only fully content once he says he wants to be surrounded by enormous piles of money.

First off, if you’re on an island that you own, tanned and rested and alone, why does he need money? Unless we’re to assume this is for traveling back to the mainland to get food and possible materials for repairs? Otherwise I would assume in his ideal paradise he needs contact with absolutely no one, but maybe that’s just the internal bias of wishing there was a world where we could live alone forever and be fine

Second off. How do I say that feels like capitalist propaganda without getting flamed.

[tangledbea]

Are you watching the movie or just listening to the song? Because in the actual film, they're more like waiting for him to finish his thought before they cheer.

(Should be queued up to his verse, for reference.)

Also, he literally did just steal one of Valdimir's ceramic unicorns right out of his hand. They're grumpy with him.

Not to say that you don't have a good point about the Disney Corporation putting capitalist propaganda into a cheerful song about dreams.

[jarpout]

With the pause and the way it’s sung it feels like he finished his thought imo, it kinda feels like they threaten him into adding more though I guess you also could say they just wanted him to do it to then do the toss thing, but given their expressions it feels threatening, shrug. I was thinking of both but also the ceramic unicorn thing is a good point, rude of him

[tangledbea]

Yeah, he's not really the one who won them over, it was Rapunzel. Even after the song, when they're helping them escape, it's clearly her who they're enamored with. "Your dream stinks, I was talking to her." They're just not vibing with him. And they never claim to be nice people, just multidimensional people.

Even at the end of the movie, Maximus convinced them to help Eugene for Rapunzel's sake, not his own (though they seem to like him better because he wants to race to her rescue).

[newdream3273]

The Wedding Sash: Was Eugene Knighted?

Posted this analysis on Reddit, but didn't get much discussion on it. Let's see if it does better here.

NOTE: This is an analysis of the meaning of the sash BEFORE the series was ever a concept. As in a deep dive if there was any intended symbolism for it in the wedding from its original source. Please do not go "Edmun gave it to him." I know.

So anyway, the Wedding Sash.

I was reading some rando-article on the UK Royals a few months ago and noticed the women wore blue sashes that went across the body and ended at the hip, like Eugene's. It made me curious so I looked them up.

From what I found in research was interesting.

Apparently, sashes with crests/pins like that typically mean the royal or honored man/woman has been granted membership of a chivalric order or knighthood for rendering a great service to the Crown. The sash worn in public events to show that, and the crest design chosen by the ruling monarch who granted it.

In the wedding, and the Frozen cameo he has two different style sashes, but as we only see his back in the cameo, we can only assume one crest.

So is it possible he was knighted after the movie for rendering the service of finding, saving and bringing the lost Princess home?

[tangledbea]

Before the series came out, I had always assumed he'd been knighted, thus giving him the status required to marry Rapunzel.

[nerdasaurus1200]

Behold! The only piece of Saporian architecture we ever see!

[tangledbea]

I never took the building to be Saporian. After all

there are destroyed tents and wagons and whatnot. I always took this as a Saporian encampment, and the building was there when they got there. There are far more vehicles than buildings wrecked in this scene.

And judging by this

they chose this location because it had a well.

[nerdasaurus1200]

You can see some walls too, I think when Cassandra is talking to Owl after Rapunzel gets her memory wiped.

[tangledbea]

Yeah, I've been looking at the screencaps, and I think that's all meant to be the same building you've got in the background, there. I still think this isn't a permanent Saporian location, but one they chose to stay at that had already been abandoned.

I sincerely wish they'd been more clear about time frames and distances. How long have the black rocks been spreading? How far is this location from the Dark Kingdom? We know it's somewhere between the Great Tree and the House of Yesterday's Tomorrow, but that just begs the question.

The fact that there are so so so many vehicles and tents as opposed to buildings really implies encampment over permanent location, but did they flee because of the rocks, or decide staying here wasn't worth it because they were already interfering? It feels like they were trying to do environmental storytelling without giving us a clear picture.

[nerdasaurus1200]

Oh yeah, you're right! Cause that's it there from a different angle!

I always got the impression that the black rocks didn't start growing until after Frederic had taken the sundrop. Cause the rocks have clearly been there for a while in some towns and no one really acknowledges it. but in other towns you have situations like this where it's completely driven people away.

It was probably like a defense machanism thing. Like the moonstone sensed the sundrop was in danger and sent the rocks to try to help it. And that's why Rapunzel touching them made them grow again, it basically resent the signal.

[tangledbea]

Well, yeah, it's pretty textual that they didn't start until Frederic took the flower. But they hadn't reached Corona yet. So it's like... how slowly were they traveling across the land and for how long? Did they sort of stall out for a bit there when they couldn't locate the Sundrop anymore (because Rapunzel was in a tower an not touching the ground)?

When TBEA first came out, the fandom had a big ol' discussion about when exactly did the rocks super start heading for Corona? there was speculation that it was when she left the tower and they could sense her again. After all, Cassandra says the rocks grew up around the location the flower used to be "about six months ago," ie when Rapunzel left the tower. But I personally like to think that it still took them some time to get there, and they first began to sense her again the first time her hair touched the ground when she was letting Gothel up. Since the part of her that was the flower made contact with the ground so very briefly, and Gothel got in the habit of catching the hair and looping it

the rocks only had a few brief moments to attempt to hone in on it before Gothel got the hang of this specific maneuver, so the going was slow.

I suspect that they were already heading for Corona at a greater speed than they had been when she left the tower, and it was her touching the ground and staying down there for a day and a half that gave them better direction. But, of course, they would go to where they'd been headed all along: the last known location of the flower itself. And when the flower wasn't there, they went dormant until she touched them.

[debbie503art]

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[noodlecruncher]

an idea i had a few years ago that was cooler in my head. not entirely sold on how it came out, but id love to revisit it someday. i love mashing rapunzel's incantations together :3

[tangledbea]

Tangled the series isn't a comedy but its gotten a good laugh out of me. One that got me was in once a hand maiden Zahn Tiri is spying on Cass in a tree and does villain laugh but is interrupted by laughing, the camera shifts to Shorty sitting behind her who was out of view until Zahn tiri turns to look at him and he asks "what are we laughing about"? Also Cass struggling with the gopher snatching her disguise off with Eugene and Raps talking in the foreground. What moments made you laugh?

I mean, it is a comedy though. Just like the movie is a comedy. Neither are exclusively a comedy, but they're deliberately funny a lot of the time.

As for things that made me laugh a lot, nothing has ever made me laugh more than the conversation between Eugene and Demanitus:

[Demanitus]: Get it? A mon-key! [Eugene]: No. Denied. *turns his back* [Demanitus]: Here. *tosses the key to Eugene* [Eugene]: *fails to catch the key and it plummets into the green-acidy-type-thing-filled cauldera* [Eugene]: What did you do that for?! [Demanitus]: You were supposed to catch it! [Eugene]: I wasn't ready! You should have warned me! [Demanitus]: I SAID, "HEEEEEERE!"

All the Wile E. Coyote shenanigans that Ruddiger gets up to in "The Lost Treasure of Herz der Sonne". (Hell, that whole episode is comedy gold.)

The entire scene in "Return to the Spire" after, "We're in a room full of magical artifacts and I don't know what ANY of them DO!!"

Everything little Lance gets up to in "You're Kidding Me!"

There's more. There's so much more. But this is the stuff right off the top of my head.

[tangledbea]

In Rapunzel’s Return, the crystals the citizens were ordered to mine are used to make the Quirineon, right ?

If so, how long did it take for Varian to make the compound?

I think there was a deleted sequence of Varian making the formula but the video is gone.

I honestly don't recall seeing any sort of video, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

As for how long it took, we know that the citizens were mining because the Saporians wanted huge quantities of Quirinium. Are you asking how long it took Varian to make the huge quantities? Or how long it took him to discover it and make a singe dose of serviceable amount? Though, let's be real a moment, I don't know the answer to either of those lol. But there's a non-zero chance he found a way to automate it, like he did with the Flynnolium in "What the Hair?!" Like a large boiler situation.

[cookiehusky799]

I guess I’m asking how long it took for him to make the huge quantities. When the Saporians load it on the airship, it looked like a bunch of barrels but it was just three? The others are smaller. Varian plans to harness the power of the wand and create a synthetic gas that will erase the memories of everyone in Corona. So I figured he studied the Wand of Oblivium first before creating the Quirineon? I’m working on a fic about the takeover so I need help with the process of the formula.

I have a screenshot of the animatic :

I believed it was made by Anna.

[tangledbea]

Yeah, I don't recognize that.

The most important thing to remember is that they need to take shortcuts in animation for cost purposes. So, for example, lessening the number of barrels loaded onto the airship.

But we know that, as of "Happiness Is..." the takeover hadn't even happened yet, so if we assume the takeover happened right after that, I'd say it took at least six months for the whole process.

(Now I'm gonna be on the hunt for that animatic.)

[humblefryingpan]

I love it when raps is jealous I find it so funny

"I've been on tones of dates" "YOU HAVE? 🤨"

Also the episode where stalyan kidnapped Eugene and tried to force him to marry her and the whole time Rapunzel was just going "ugly ass wedding what a loser what shitty decorations she chose"

I wish people recognized how petty she gets when she's jealous. How possessive she is when Eugene briefly mentions his exes. It's hilarious let her be a petty little bitch

[clearwhispersblizzard]

that was amusing to see!!