Sysplex Awareness

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[complexsysplex]

Welcome to the sysplex blog!

I’ve noticed in the CDD community that education and awareness about dissociation and dissociative parts is becoming increasingly distorted, so I aim to change that!

Since it seems like a good majority of the CDD community has forgotten what an alter is, here’s a quick reminder!

An “alter”, or “alternate state of identity”, is an ego/personality state that is dissociated from a persons personality due to childhood trauma. They are not separate people.

Alternate identity states most commonly form in people with dissociative disorders, under the structure of dissociation, which is split into several structures(that I won’t go into detail about here bc this is tumblr and google is free) but that’s not the only way they can form.

I repeat, structural dissociation affects more people than just those with dissociative disorders.

It affects all types of trauma disorders like PTSD, BPD, personality disorders, and many others!

Sysplex is a term created not to separate CDD systems from systems formed from other disorders, or as an endogenic term. SYSPLEX IS STRICTLY ANTI-ENDO. It was created to bring awareness to PTSD and other traumagenic people who’s existence has been ignored and shunned in the community for far too long.

Sysplex: A person who has dissociative parts formed from a traumatic disorder other than a dissociative disorder. The term is a combination of the words “system” and “complex”. While uncommon, it is entirely possible for a person to develop dissociative states for reasons other than a dissociative disorder.

Before you argue, I encourage you to do your own research on structural dissociation and trauma :)

[complexsysplex]

Debunking some sysplex myths and questions!

“Sysplex is just endos!”

Sysplex is actually an anti endo term, and we aren’t even systems so idk where this comes from.

“You can’t form parts outside of CDDs.”

Do your research before caking such bold claims. There are MANY studies proving that PTSD and other traumatic disorders can cause dissociation and identify disturbances.

“Why do you call tourselves systems if you know it’s not the same as DID/OSDD?”

We don’t?? We literally don’t, no sysplex is calling themself a system, and I would know bc I’m literally the only one who uses the term and I am not a system.

“How is this different from endogenic “BPDgenic” and stuff like that?”

Bc we’re not endos. Endos claim to be systems, that’s the difference. BPD can cause dissociation and identity disturbance, it’s literally in the diagnostic criteria, BUT it doesn’t cause someone to have alters like endos claim. Which you would know if you did literally any research at all.

In conclusion, y’all have no idea what you’re talking about, pick up a medical textbook I beg of you.

[theplayplacecollective]

I have a genuine question !!!! With the "No sysplex calls themselves a system" doesnt sys mean system ? so its like short for systemplex ? /genq

[complexsysplex]

I can see why it’s often interpreted that way, but no, the sys in sysplex isnt short for anything. The reason why it has “sys” in it is because the experience of having parts for both sysplex and systems are quite similar, and in some medical contexts, both are referred to as systems, so it just feels right to me to have the names kinda match. Also because I was tired of the system community spreading misinformation about dissociative parts as a whole, it’s talked about as though CDDs are the ONLY people who can have dissociated parts, which simply isn’t true. (also just for funsies bc I think the word combo sounds cool lol)

Hopefully that makes sense!

[complexsysplex]

Debunking some sysplex myths and questions!

“Sysplex is just endos!”

Sysplex is actually an anti endo term, and we aren’t even systems so idk where this comes from.

“You can’t form parts outside of CDDs.”

Do your research before making such bold claims. There are MANY studies proving that PTSD and other traumatic disorders can cause dissociation and identity disturbances.

“Why do you call yourselves systems if you know it’s not the same as DID/OSDD?”

We don’t?? We literally don’t, no sysplex is calling themself a system, and I would know bc I’m literally the only one who uses the term and I am not a system.

“How is this different from endogenic “BPDgenic” and stuff like that?”

Bc we’re not endos. Endos claim to be systems, that’s the difference. BPD can cause dissociation and identity disturbance, it’s literally in the diagnostic criteria, BUT it doesn’t cause someone to have alters like endos claim. Which you would know if you did literally any research at all.

In conclusion, y’all have no idea what you’re talking about, pick up a medical textbook I beg of you.

[jirainotte]

I would like to add a few things about the term sysplex, in addition to some ideas expressed in your post.

(...) and we aren’t even systems so idk where this comes from.

Endogenics plurals are not considered a "system" in the CDD sense, which is why many use terms like "collective" or "family".

Bc we’re not endos. Endos claim to be systems

No.

BUT it doesn’t cause someone to have alters like endos claim.

Again, no endogenic claims that.

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Furthermore, it is important to highlight that switchs caused by CDD may only be noticed later, or may begin to appear later through an unrelated traumatic event, according to ICD-11.

"Full-blooming disorder can first manifest at virtually any age (from early childhood to late adulthood)." - DSM-5

"The onset of identity changes can also be triggered by removal from ongoing traumatizing circumstances, death or serious illness of the perpetrator of abuse, or by other unrelated traumatic experiences later in life." - ICD-11

Furthermore, it's very common for people with CDD not to remember their traumas. I'm not saying you don't know this, but it's extremely important to add it, why?

Many people with CDD symptoms think they may not have the disorder and dismiss the possibility, saying it's a symptom of PTSD, for example, due to a lack of awareness that they may not remember their childhood traumas and a lack of awareness that the symptoms may become more noticeable later in life.

[complexsysplex]

Hi! I know all of the ICD and DSM stuff, not sure why you’re listing it lol.

The most important thing that every endo defender seems to conveniently forget is that no matter what individuals say, the term is inherently claiming to have a CDD with no trauma, which is medically IMPOSSIBLE.

“Endogenic” was coined in the 1900s as a mockery of DID, because DID research was becoming more widespread around that time as well. If you truly mean well, use a different term, because the one you love oh so much has extremely damaging and ableist roots.

[spectralmindset]

To be totally fair, the way everything is described and the terms used for the carrd Does make polymind sound eerily similar to systems, like, objectively. I think that's where much of the confusion comes from

The thing is how the fuck am I meant to describe it otherwise

How am I meant to explain common things like subpersonalities changing or individual subpersonality identities without it being a mindful

I understand that, yes, the experiences can be similar in some ways but to compare the two is iffy

And to say they're the same is straight up fallacious and dumbing down systems to being "just alters"

[dogpack-polymind]

god forbid anything even be SIMILAR to systems???? god forbid folks have similar experiences and create their own ways to talk about them??

systems don’t have the monopoly on having different parts of your identity. i don’t think that’s ’totally fair’ at all actually. there ARE other identities and even disorders that are similar to being a system without actually being systems. i genuinely don’t understand those who try to gatekeep not only being a system, but having any sort of experience that could be even remotely similar to systems. there’s nothing wrong with sharing similar experiences.

[starstruck-sillies]

Reminder that you do in fact need repeated childhood trauma to be a CDD system. You can NOT form a CDD later in life. You can NOT form a CDD through one traumatic event. It's legitimately impossible, studies confirm that it's not possible. The DSM is by no means perfect, but it's still based in real, credible science, and you can't just throw it out completely and make shit up about disorders, that's just spreading harmful misinformation.

Sure, plurality can be formed from pretty much anything, it's an identity, not a disorder. But systemhood, due to being a CDD symptom? Repeated childhood trauma only. Sure, any kind of trauma can do it as long as it's consistent enough and happens early enough in life, but it still have to be repeated and happen in early childhood for it to be a CDD. Saying that you can just experience one single traumatic event in adulthood and suddenly develop a CDD is spreading very harmful misinformation, and actively going against every scientific understanding of how CDDs work and all studies done on these disorders. CDDs are MEDICAL, and are confirmed by science to be formed this way, and ONLY this way. You can't just treat CDDs the same way you do plurality and expect that to work out. One is an identity, the other is a disorder.

If you truly ended up with headmates as a result of PTSD, you're a sysplex, not a system. That term exists for a reason, and that reason is because it's not the same as a CDD. If you're going to try and advocate for CDD plurals, PLEASE do actual research into CDDs and at least try to get your info right on them. Making blatantly false claims about CDDs to try and defend plurals does nothing but hurt CDD systems/plurals and make non-CDD plurals look like idiots. This is why accurate information on CDDs is so fucking important in ANY space that claims to accept us, because otherwise you get people claiming wild shit about our disorder that they made up, calling it "advocacy", and throwing a tantrum when actual CDD systems call them out for it.

If you're going to advocate for plurals, do so without throwing CDD systems under the bus or spreading misinformation about CDDs.

-Toby

[complexsysplex]

“Sysplex ppl are just ppl with OSDD or DID—“ omfg shut up you don’t know anything please actually do some research I’m gonna explode

[complexsysplex]

Debunking some sysplex myths and questions!

“Sysplex is just endos!”

Sysplex is actually an anti endo term, and we aren’t even systems so idk where this comes from.

“You can’t form parts outside of CDDs.”

Do your research before making such bold claims. There are MANY studies proving that PTSD and other traumatic disorders can cause dissociation and identity disturbances.

“Why do you call yourselves systems if you know it’s not the same as DID/OSDD?”

We don’t?? We literally don’t, no sysplex is calling themself a system, and I would know bc I’m literally the only one who uses the term and I am not a system.

“How is this different from endogenic “BPDgenic” and stuff like that?”

Bc we’re not endos. Endos claim to be systems, that’s the difference. BPD can cause dissociation and identity disturbance, it’s literally in the diagnostic criteria, BUT it doesn’t cause someone to have alters like endos claim. Which you would know if you did literally any research at all.

In conclusion, y’all have no idea what you’re talking about, pick up a medical textbook I beg of you.

[mettleplex]

Hey complexsysplex, I am 100% in support! The medical literature backs you up fully, as you said.

I have DID, so I'm sorry for breaking the DNI in tags. I'm hoping it will be ok, but if not let me know.

In a reblog of somebody else's post in support of your term / community, I wrote a lengthy explanation of some of the supporting evidence. I'm a bit of a rambler.

I also included opinions, because OP brought up some syscourse. /neutral

I'd edit this down to be purely on-topic, neutral information. I would add alt. text for the images, too.

It covers chapters about "Structural Dissociation" from The Haunted Self by Van Der Hart).. I can add more detail / sources at your advice. You mentioned the DSM here for example :)

Could I submit that to you for your free use? If my blog could perhaps be written at the end, it'd be yours to copy and paste anywhere.

I'm very sad to see the situation your small community is in. You don't deserve that.

Thank you for reading :)

[complexsysplex]

Thank you for this, your support means so much to me! As for the dni tag dw you’re not breaking anything, I wouldn’t ever ask ppl to stay away from me just bc they have a disorder, I was just mad at the community in general, not individuals.

You’re welcome to send whatever you like to me!

[enbuggsblurr]

“I just don’t think it’s possible for C-PTSD or BPD to cause dissociative parts-“ It’s not up to you.

Medical facts are not up for debate, this isn’t a matter of opinion it’s a matter of education and ignorance. Traumatized people dissociate. Sometimes that dissociation results in full blown DID/OSDD with tons of alters and severe, complex dissociative symptoms, and sometimes it results in disorders with just a little less dissociative symptoms and less complexity.

It doesn’t matter what YOU think is possible, it literally doesn’t matter in the slightest, not even a little bit. It’s real. It happens to people. You can’t just ignore science bc it doesn’t fit into your little system community box. You aren’t a doctor, you’re not a professional, you’re not all knowing, you’re a normal person. Get your head out of your ass and do some research.

“In my opinion the sky isn’t actually blue” ahh system community

[complexsysplex]

Hey just wanna say for any sysplex’s out there that I don’t know/haven’t talked to, sysplex is NOT a term that just means “I have alters due to my non-cdd disorder”. I’m seeing some sysplex “alter intros” and I just wanna make it clear that sysplex parts are NOT alters.

Yes they’re similar to those in OSDD, but they’re still not called alters. I think it’s fair to ask that systems keep the term “alter” to themself, seeing as it’s made specifically referring to CDDs and we can very easily just call them parts or whatever else.

Don’t call them alters.

[amitys-shenanigans]

okay now.

ive been seeing stuff about people going off about sysplex stuff and I frankly, do not see the point in trying to focus on it.

1, its such a tiny ass community of people who genuinely don’t cause harm that anyone would notice

2, the concept literally fits the structural theory of dissociation???

I get why CPTSD and BPD might not exactly work the same way as DID/OSDD, but like, it doesn’t mean you can’t experience dissociation or amnesia? If someone ends up having different ego states that function similarly to alters in a DID system, then like, what is the problem?

While I understand the arguments from both sides, I honestly think it’s just not worth having heated arguments over because there are way bigger problems in the community (like how Sophie is literally trying to say how if DID was demedicalized then nothing would happen which is a WILDLY INACCURATE take and is frankly one of the most dangerous things she’s ever said)

we are personally sysplex neutral with pro leaning, cuz like i understand the reason it was made, but I also don’t know if it should be tied to the system community or if treating CPTSD or BPD the same way as a system would even be a good idea. I say this as someone with diagnosed BPD, we don’t really have ego states that are like alters, and I personally don’t see how it would really work for those with BPD unless they already had issues with identity in the first place.

Whatever the case, yall really are focusing on the wrong things. Sysplexes and polyminds are not the problem. The people who are actually causing the spread of dangerous misinformation and fear are (ahem, yknow who).

Sometimes syscourse is great, sometimes it’s people arguing about the most non issue things and i genuinely feel like people forget that we are all literally just put in one minority group by outsiders.

They wont care about whether you are endogenic, disordered, polymind or sysplex. The minute they see that you are a system/plural/anything thats different from the norm, you will be othered. They WILL put us in the same category. What happens to one of us happens to all of us, and the fact that people do not realize this most of the time worries us. If DID was demedicalized, it wouldn’t just impact disordered systems, it could also impact endogenic or mixed origin systems, and then extend out to other groups. While most endos don’t have trauma, there are cases where they do and they end up finding out about their trauma by remembering it, and realize that they’re actually disordered. If DID was demedicalized, these people would not be getting the treatment they need. DID treatment is not the same as CPTSD or BPD treatments, not to mention that CPTSD is not even recognized as an actual type of PTSD as of right now. We would lose so much and the community would lose a ton of resources and support if this ever happened.

We would not be getting the treatments we need. Our friends would not be getting the treatments they need. And non disordered folks who later realize that they need those treatments would not be getting the treatments that they need.

Opinions matter, but what matters more is making sure that real harm doesn’t happen. Unfortunately the community sucks at picking apart what is an actual problem vs what is something that’s never going to leave the online community and is half the time a non issue ;-;

If you dont like sysplexes, just put them in your DNI. Dont like polyminds? Put em in ur DNI. No need to spew hate or argue about them. Use your time and energy elsewhere where it can be better spent.

[complexsysplex]

Tysm for this!

I just wanna add as the coiner of sysplex that the term is actually not meant to be a part of the system community at all, since like you said it’s not the same as DID/OSDD. Sure the dissociation and identity issues are similar, but they’re def not the exact same which is why there’s a separate term for it. It makes me really sad that the system community, who claims to be well educated about dissociation and trauma and is literally built on the point of accepting everyone, immediately shuns people who don’t fit into their little boxes.

And also bc like you said, sysplex is a very small community, I honestly wouldn’t even call us a community bc there’s THREE of us, THREE. I think we can all agree that a “community” not even big enough to play a four-player game level is not something worth worrying about lol

[complexsysplex]

Hi! I had a question about your term, sysplex, and whether I would be allowed to use it.

I was recently informed that there are types of systems that are formed from C-PTSD instead of a CDD. After being told about it, reading an academic article about it and looking through your page, I'm pretty sure that this is what I experience alongside secondary structural dissociation. Realizing this was incredibly helpful for understanding my traumagenic plurality and suspected C-PTSD better. I would like to use the word sysplex going forward as a result.

The only thing is... the term is strictly anti endo, and I'm pro endo. I've always felt safer in the pro endo community because my validity there was never based on whether I was enough of a system. I would prefer to not have to change my syscourse stance in order to identify with what's essentially a medical term. There are similarly pro endo CDD systems that don't need to be anti endo in order to be recognized as having a CDD.

So what are your thoughts on all this? Would I be allowed to use sysplex? I'll respect whatever you decide.

Hi! I’m so glad my page has been helpful for you^^

The term is anti endo purely because I don’t want people who personally identify as endogenic or any side terms to use it, but although I don’t agree with pro endos I won’t stop you from using it!

After all like you said it’s basically a medical term, it just describes a certain type of dissociation, which is something I refuse to gatekeep regardless of my personal opinions.

Feel free to use the term if you’d like :) I only ask that you don’t use it in any sort of endo way, because I don’t want it to become associated with the endo(and just system in general) community, as they’re very different things and I find that most of the system community isn’t so kind when it comes to hearing about lesser known dissociative experiences.

[complexsysplex]

Debunking some sysplex myths and questions!

“Sysplex is just endos!”

Sysplex is actually an anti endo term, and we aren’t even systems so idk where this comes from.

“You can’t form parts outside of CDDs.”

Do your research before making such bold claims. There are MANY studies proving that PTSD and other traumatic disorders can cause dissociation and identity disturbances.

“Why do you call yourselves systems if you know it’s not the same as DID/OSDD?”

We don’t?? We literally don’t, no sysplex is calling themself a system, and I would know bc I’m literally the coined the term and I am not a system.

“How is this different from endogenic “BPDgenic” and stuff like that?”

Bc we’re not endos. Endos claim to be systems, that’s the difference. BPD can cause dissociation and identity disturbance, it’s literally in the diagnostic criteria, BUT it doesn’t cause someone to have alters like endos claim. Which you would know if you did literally any research at all.

In conclusion, y’all have no idea what you’re talking about, pick up a medical textbook I beg of you.

[azureansys]

i dont know who needs to hear this but stating that ur anti endo isnt syscourse at all

its completely okay to be anti ableist and it shouldn't be a subject of discourse

[corrupted-angels]

y’all we fw polyminds! they are so fucking cool and i like how it is completely separate from did/osdd and they dont claim to be systems!

My page is a safe space for polyminds or those who do ifs (Internal family system, therapy thing done under super vision)!

[neo-pilled]

My problem with the polyminds term is that separating your subpersonalities like that is harmful. You are going to cause yourself to develop a dissociative disorder. Not DID, no, but if you continue to put high levels of differentiation between subpersonalities, you are going to give yourself severe depersonalization.

Non systems differentiating their identity like that (and honestly even system putting high separation between parts) is DANGEROUS. I do not understand why people think that it would be harmless.

Any kind of rift in your identity, be it differentiating subpersonalities, being a system, or simply creating an "alter ego" that goes to far, IS DANGEROUS AND HARMFUL. It is not a healthy coping skill or way to be.

[spectral-mindset-deactivated202]

What if they’re already differentiated and distinguished though

What if they’re already their own individuals for me and I’m looking to share my experiences

You do realize that the majority of polymind experiences are involuntary, right?

And that the label is more about the current experience than becoming one, right?

I could also yap about my own experiences and how, if anything, distinguishing them massively helped me with my mental health and dissociation

But, respectfully, you don’t seem like the person to care about that lmao

So providing a community where others who ended up like this can speak about their experiences is harmful?

I already dissected this claim in my other reblog so whatever, but it really does show you just didn’t bother actually learning about polymindence at all

[neo-pilled]

I’m not entertaining this argument so don’t bother reblogging again, I won’t read it nor do I actually give a fuck about it.

If you were already separated like that and you experienced dissociation, you are a dissociative system, not polymind. This is deadass the harm I’m talking about. Because since you identify heavily with being a polymind, now you won’t be looking into actual recovery resources for dissociative people. Like. WhT you’re talking about IS the problem.

Hope you grow out of it at some point and seek actual therapy.

[spectral-mindset-deactivated202]

I can reblog if I want, if you really don’t care then why even bother replying in the first place? I’m very much interested in defending who I am, if you’re as pissed as you sound about someone pointing out the wrongs in your arguments then just block me lmao.

“If you were already dissociated you are a system not a polymind” so… you’re going, directly against what my licensed psychiatrist said? Not to mention I don’t fit the criteria for either DID or OSDD, maybe don’t armchair diagnose me just based off a singular online message.

You completely ignored my argument about the fact that there’s things such as transactional analysis and the internal family system module, that kinda speaks for itself don’t you think?

“Because you identify with the term you won’t bother looking at resources” that’s the straw man fallacy I’m pretty sure, please come with actual arguments next time! If you have any resources I would like to read them.

I am in therapy, thought you would figure that out if you read my message. Or maybe you didn’t, you do seem like the type to not actually listen to actual arguments considering you already ignored most of them.

[complexsysplex]

“If you have dissociation you’re not a polymind you’re a system” Fully 100% wrong. On every level. Dissociation affects MANY disorders and people, not just systems.

List of disorders that also experience dissociation:

- Autism

- ADHD

- Literally any anxiety disorder

- PTSD

- Schizophrenia

And most polyminds I’ve met aren’t caused by any disorder, we just experience our subpersonalities as separate bc that’s just how our thoughts organize themselves. Compartmentalization is extremely normal, common, and HEALTHY. There’s a reason IFS therapy exists, because it’s extremely helpful to identify different parts of yourself, because EVERYONE has subpersonalities.

[multiplikitties]

i dont think i will ever forgive what the internet did to DID because please explain to me how "your sense of self is so torn apart you think youre multiple people" turned into "youre actually multiple people"

do you understand what i mean? please understand what i mean

[complexsysplex]

I wanna make something extremely clear because my friend has been getting banned from a ton of discord servers over this:

Sysplex is NOT an endogenic term, it’s not even a system term at all for that matter.

Sysplex is an anti-endo term.

Sysplex’s are medically the same as systems, we have the same type of dissociation and the same type of splitting as complex dissociative disorders, but sysplex wasn’t created to be a “new type of system” or “plurality”.

Sysplex is a term that simply describes a person who experiences dissociative parts due to a traumatic disorder but doesn’t have a CDD, because CDDs aren’t the only disorder that can cause dissociation and splitting. If you wanna use the term and still be a part of the system community or other plural communities then go ahead and do that, but the term itself is not part of the any one community.

Why am I seeing people getting banned from servers for being “endos” before the mods even take a second to google the meaning of the term?? Y’all just see someone using any term that’s not system and just immediately assume they’re an endo, that’s so fucked up.

Do better.

[ceqiry-pthic]

I am that person in question. We were so confused because of just having a term in our bio. -T 🐈‍⬛️

[complexsysplex]

It’s so upsetting to see the community that claims to be about mental health and acceptance push away anyone who doesn’t fit their standards.

Everyone claims to be well researched, and yet they don’t know anything about the dissociative scale, personality disorders, or anything about how trauma works outside of just “trauma makes you split”

I originally wanted sysplex to be a term that was basically just another type of system, but now I don’t even really want the terms associated with eachother bc time and time again the system community has shown how toxic they are :(

(This doesn’t apply to individual systems, but rather the general community itself)

[complexsysplex]

I wanna make something extremely clear because my friend has been getting banned from a ton of discord servers over this:

Sysplex is NOT an endogenic term, it’s not even a system term at all for that matter.

Sysplex is an anti-endo term.

Sysplex’s are medically very similar to systems, we have the same type of dissociation and a similar type of splitting as complex dissociative disorders, but sysplex wasn’t created to be a “new type of system” or “plurality”.

Sysplex is a term that simply describes a person who experiences dissociative symptoms due to a traumatic disorder but doesn’t have a CDD, because CDDs aren’t the only disorder that can cause dissociation and splitting. If you wanna use the term and still be a part of the system community or other plural communities then go ahead and do that, but the term itself is not part of the any one community.

Why am I seeing people getting banned from servers for being “endos” before the mods even take a second to google the meaning of the term?? Y’all just see someone using any term that’s not system and just immediately assume they’re an endo, that’s so fucked up.

Do better.