I support Dyatlov

30/Female/Hungary. Proud Dyatlov fangirl. I support real Tolya Dyatlov. 

[comrade-dyatlove]

Dyatlov artwork of mine- all since November 2019.  <3 

[pocketsaints-deactivated2024112]

Nem is vagyok akkor Csernobil fangörl, mert:

Nem akarok Csernobilba menni, mert gyereket jobban szeretnék,

Csak háromszor néztem meg a sorit elejétől a végéig (a Jézuska hozta DVD-m is a nővéremnél van most),

Nukimérnök sem akarok lenni, mert fos vagyok fizikából,

Likvidátor kitüntit sem akarok, mert pofátlanság azokkal szemben, akik az életükkel vagy az egészségükkel fizettek ezért a plecsniért,

Az ötlettelen csernobilos mémektől falra mászom,

Lenya és Szása, na ők megvannak, de Gyatlov elvtihez kötődöm,

A sori zenéje tök jó, de önmagában nyomasztó, ortodox egyházi énekeket szoktam, ha csernobilos hangulatban vagyok,

Oroszul sem tanulok, mert több nyelv már nem fér a fejembe,

A reaktorról sem tudok mindent. Ha az üzemeltető mérnökök nem ismerték ki, mit tudhatok róla én a hármas fizikámmal?

A Nulladik óra tök jó, de a magyar szinkronja vacak, ráadasul a film azt a látszatot kelti, hogy Anatolij Gyatlov személyén múlt az egész.

Csernobil akárhogyan nézzük is egy szörnyű tragédia volt, hús-vér szereplőkkel... Nem csak Craig Mazin fejéből pattant ki Gonoszgyatlovval, Cukilenyával meg Mindentjólcsinálószásával.

[comrade-dyatlove]

Akkor én se, @pocketsaints​, drága ikertesóm, mivel:

Én se néztem meg sokszor a sorit, egyben nagyon nyomasztó. Jeleneteket nézek. 

Csak cosplayezni akarok nukimérnököt. A fizika sosem vonzott. 

A likvidátor kitüntetés morbid és kegyeletsértő.

Nem minden vicces, ami Csernobil mém... 

Lenya és Szása is stimmel, de nekem is Gyatlov a kedvencem. 

Egyáltalán nem hallgatom a soundtrackot, önmagában nem szeretem, mert elbőgöm magam rajta. Orosz népdalok <3

Én a sori miatt kezdtem komolyabban oroszul tanulni, ezt bevallom. Mindig is akartam mondjuk, de ez adta meg a végső lökést.

Kivéve, én azért egyszer elmennék Csernobilba, de nem idiótán szelfizgetni, inkább tiszteletadásképp, meg Tolya bácsi sirjára vinnék virágot Kijevben. Szerintem nem is csinálnék fotót Csernobil / Pripjaty területén sem (és Tolyát se vinném, még sugárzást nyelhetne el...)

Nulladik órának van magyar szinkronja...? Én angol felirattal láttam oroszul. Akkor azt megkeresem, mert mégha pocsék is, magyar szinkronos Gyatiorditást akarok. De hagyjátok már békén szegény Gyatit, nem csak rajta múlott... 

Ez az, hogy sokan azt hiszik, látták a sorit, és ettől már atomfizikus elvtársak lettek. Egy sorozat nem fog nukimérnökké kikupálni senkit, csak arra volt jó, hogy valamit elkezdtem ugatni a témához, és már nem vagyok csendben, ha erre terelődnék a szó egy beszélgetésben. Valamit konyitunk az alapok elejéhez, dehát hol van itt még a tudás, hajjaj.... És Gyatlov nem az ördög játszópajtija, grrrrrrrrrr. 

[comrade-dyatlove]

On Saturday, 15th February I met my new best friend and soul twin sister @pocketsaints,  in person and we had a great time together. :) 

And as I love Chernobyl and the real Comrade Dyatlov, she made me this cute Handmade Pocket Rag Comrade Dyatlov in civilian attire with a sexy plaid shirt as a Birthday gift. :) <3 Isn’t he gorgeous? 

 I absolutely adore him and he comes with me everywhere. 

As Dyatlov wrote in his book that he wished to pet the trees when he was taken to Court after Chernobyl, when he did not see trees for a year because spending half a year in the hospital and another half a year in arrest, as he was finally happy to see trees and nature, but he wasn’t allowed to do so, I take Pocket Anatoly every day with me to walk and he is allowed to pet the trees as much as he likes it. 

He is often hanging out with my other dolls, his bestie is Erik, the Phantom of the Opera. :) 

[comrade-dyatlove]

Anatoly Dyatlov fanart post. <3 

Gyatlov fanartom mesterposzt. <3 

[comrade-dyatlove]

Comrade Dyatlov - my fanart :) 

[elenatria]

Wait so did Dyatlov have kids? Do you know their names? And if so, did one pass away?Jesus, that’s messed up. (Sorry, a lot of questions)

I’m not a Dyatlov expert but I know he had a son who died because of the radiation his father brought home. Craig Mazin mentioned that in the podcast but he said he didn’t want to resort to “armchair psychology” to explain Dyatlov’s reasons for wanting to “tame the atom”, that’s why he didn’t include that part of his background in the show. 

Or rather, he didn’t want his Dyatlov to have any redeeming aspects. He wanted a pure villain.

But that’s another story.

“After graduation, he worked in a shipbuilding plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, installing reactors into submarines. He received a radiation dose of 200 rem, a dose which typically causes mild radiation sickness, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue and reduction in resistance to infections, during a nuclear accident there. His son died of Leukemia.”

I read in here that he buried his son on a riverbank.

Btw he wrote a book,  ‘Chernobyl: How it happened’ (Chernobyl: Kak eto bylo).

Also there are excerpts here from Medvedev’s “Chernobyl Notebook”. I’m told it’s one of the first books that spoke about Chernobyl albeit a bit… inaccurate. 

I don’t know the son’s name although I believe that question has been posed before.

A quick look at my saved files and my recent “deleted Dyatlov scene” post makes me think @bewareofdragon @siriuslymeg  @cinemaocd @my-dyatlov  and @the-jewish-marxist  know more than I do on the subject so you might want to ask them for further details…?

[comrade-dyatlove]

I learned much about Dyatlov and his family these past weeks thanks to @pocketsaints​, and our conversations with her, and the tolik-dyatlov instagram, so here is what we know about Dyatlov’s family right now:

Dyatlov and his wife, Isabella Ivanovna actually had 3 children in total. 

He had a daughter also, who was married with a young, kindergarten-aged child by the time Chernobyl happened, so she was already grown up, and Dyatlov was not only a father but a grandfather also.

The girl might have been named Olga, as there is a postcard being auctioned on Ebay, which is written by an “Olya” to her family, the Dyatlov’s for 1st May. The “Vanyusha” she is addressing is her younger brother, Ivan Dyatlov. 

 It was his middle child, a young son, who died of leukemia at the age of 9, and his youngest child, a boy named Ivan Anatolijevich was born in 1967 and died in 2008 at the age of not even 40 yet. Ivan also was a nuclear physicist. 

Here is a photo of Ivan

[elenatria]

"Haters? You mean 'incompetent assholes'." - Anatoly Dyatlov, quote from page 3.6 of his autobiography "Not great not terrible. Chernobyl shippers were in the toilet."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[comrade-dyatlove]

I love ya, Anatolya :D <3

[elenatria]

CHERNOBYL Official Trailer 2 (2019)

AAAAH I found it, the actual clip with Dyatlov’s deleted scene, it was right under our noses all this time.

0:50

I swear I had never seen THIS trailer before.

[comrade-dyatlove]

Could someone please link me a script for this scene, or it is just this much we see here? 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove sadly there’s no sign of that scene in the scripts of eps 1 and 2 that I checked, not even an “omitted” mention. Usually the scripts that get public are the revised ones even if in the “Chernobyl” script’s case there are many deleted scenes described, even with characters who don’t appear in the show at all.

I guess fans made the connection between this tiny clip and “Dyatlov hallucinating about his dead son” based on Mazin’s comments in the podcast.

[comrade-dyatlove]

That’s a pity, it would’ve been a chance to make Dyatlov’s character more complex and maybe more understandable if they leave the secene in. He would definitely look a lot less heartless. 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove I will never not rant about how the real Dyatlov and the show’s Dyatlov were wronged by HBO.

I’m reading Serhii Plokhy’s book, I STILL don’t get why he demanded that the power be kept at 200 MWt (too low for the test, rendering the reactor unstable). However, I thought that after Game of Thrones two-dimensional villains were a thing of the past. Apparently not. Hollywood loves its black and white, makes things simpler and scenes shorter. I guess it’s a matter of money after all.

[comrade-dyatlove]

@elenatria I saw the interwiews with poor Dyatlov. I feel sorry for him, being blamed for what had happened, and even now, nearly 25 years after his death, now comes the HBO series depicting him a heartless, cynical “monster” who called his dead co-workers “incompetent morons”, something he never did, on the contrary, and depicting him as shallow and heartless to just care about hospital food not being caviar sandwich in ep 3, in the middle of an atomic catastrophe. Certainly he had made wrong decisions, and maybe he wasn’t popular among his co-workers, but why we had to get a super villain figure? A though soldier indeed, but not a monster. 

I support Anatoly Dyatlov. I am glad I am not the only one. 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove I agree. I like to see HBO’s “Chernobyl” as a beautiful work of art that raised awareness and made people think and research, but nothing more. It’s not a documentary, it’s not a testimony, it’s not oral history. If I have to be the devil’s advocate here, people with money and good lawyers used names and twisted real stories without permission. I know that Mazin and Renck attended a Chernobyl awareness type of event on its anniversary but as far as I know, HBO didn’t make a donation to Chernobyl victims. It’s ok to point fingers and get paid for your effort but HBO’s power made Lyudmilla hide from haters and Bryuchanov’s wife watch her husband’s vilification. At some point viewers started losing touch with reality because they followed HBO’s narrative.

As for Dyatlov, someone posted this on Insta, seems very interesting. https://instagram.com/_tolik_dyatlov_?igshid=2f8f1inmygw2

Дятлов Анатолій Степанович (@_tolik_dyatlov_) • Instagram photos and videos

148 Followers, 68 Following, 113 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Дятлов Анатолій Степанович (@_tolik_dyatlov_)

About his behaviour towards his co-workers, all I know is what I read in Plokhy’s book, where Mazin seems to have taken his Dyatlov headcanon from.

Here is Plokhy’s source (no 3).

Mazin also copy/pasted scenes and behaviours from TWO Chernobyl docudramas, one with Russian-speaking actors, super-villain Dyatlov among them.

https://youtu.be/0eEpaSLi5WQ

So, although I trust books more than I trust TV shows, at this point I don’t know what to think about his behaviour.

He sure didn’t ask for caviar in that hospital. But I guess HBO gathered we would love to hate Ritter’s Dyatlov. Tbh, his performance is so realistic I love him no matter what.

[comrade-dyatlove]

I am the same way. HBO Dyatlov is a... an asshole. But I love him :D 

[elenatria]

CHERNOBYL Official Trailer 2 (2019)

AAAAH I found it, the actual clip with Dyatlov’s deleted scene, it was right under our noses all this time.

0:50

I swear I had never seen THIS trailer before.

[comrade-dyatlove]

Could someone please link me a script for this scene, or it is just this much we see here? 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove sadly there’s no sign of that scene in the scripts of eps 1 and 2 that I checked, not even an “omitted” mention. Usually the scripts that get public are the revised ones even if in the “Chernobyl” script’s case there are many deleted scenes described, even with characters who don’t appear in the show at all.

I guess fans made the connection between this tiny clip and “Dyatlov hallucinating about his dead son” based on Mazin’s comments in the podcast.

[comrade-dyatlove]

That’s a pity, it would’ve been a chance to make Dyatlov’s character more complex and maybe more understandable if they leave the secene in. He would definitely look a lot less heartless. 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove I will never not rant about how the real Dyatlov and the show’s Dyatlov were wronged by HBO.

I’m reading Serhii Plokhy’s book, I STILL don’t get why he demanded that the power be kept at 200 MWt (too low for the test, rendering the reactor unstable). However, I thought that after Game of Thrones two-dimensional villains were a thing of the past. Apparently not. Hollywood loves its black and white, makes things simpler and scenes shorter. I guess it’s a matter of money after all.

[comrade-dyatlove]

@elenatria I saw the interwiews with poor Dyatlov. I feel sorry for him, being blamed for what had happened, and even now, nearly 25 years after his death, now comes the HBO series depicting him a heartless, cynical “monster” who called his dead co-workers “incompetent morons”, something he never did, on the contrary, and depicting him as shallow and heartless to just care about hospital food not being caviar sandwich in ep 3, in the middle of an atomic catastrophe. Certainly he had made wrong decisions, and maybe he wasn’t popular among his co-workers, but why we had to get a super villain figure? A though soldier indeed, but not a monster. 

I support Anatoly Dyatlov. I am glad I am not the only one. 

[elenatria]

CHERNOBYL Official Trailer 2 (2019)

AAAAH I found it, the actual clip with Dyatlov’s deleted scene, it was right under our noses all this time.

0:50

I swear I had never seen THIS trailer before.

[comrade-dyatlove]

Could someone please link me a script for this scene, or it is just this much we see here? 

[elenatria]

@comrade-dyatlove sadly there’s no sign of that scene in the scripts of eps 1 and 2 that I checked, not even an “omitted” mention. Usually the scripts that get public are the revised ones even if in the “Chernobyl” script’s case there are many deleted scenes described, even with characters who don’t appear in the show at all.

I guess fans made the connection between this tiny clip and “Dyatlov hallucinating about his dead son” based on Mazin’s comments in the podcast.

[comrade-dyatlove]

That’s a pity, it would’ve been a chance to make Dyatlov’s character more complex and maybe more understandable if they leave the secene in. He would definitely look a lot less heartless. 

[elenatria]

CHERNOBYL Official Trailer 2 (2019)

AAAAH I found it, the actual clip with Dyatlov’s deleted scene, it was right under our noses all this time.

0:50

I swear I had never seen THIS trailer before.

[comrade-dyatlove]

Could someone please link me a script for this scene, or it is just this much we see here? 

[royal-mortician]

So I have way too much to say about the portrayal of Anatoly Dyatlov (Mr Everything’s Fine *pukes on the table* from episode 1) and about the real Anatoly Dyatlov, strap in for a ride because I’m a huge weirdo who knows way too much about Chernobyl. Anatoly Dyatlov seems like one of the most unfairly maligned characters in the drama that unfolded in April 1986. He was indicted alongside Brukhanov and Fomin but unlike them refused to play the part of a disgraced repentant administrator who caused the accident with gross incompetence and various oversights. From the very beginning up until his death in 1995 he was adamant to the point of belligerence in defending his subordinates working at the plant at the time. Contrarily to the official state position he claimed that none of them - Toptunov and Akimov in particular, the guys at the control desk at the time of the accident - made mistakes or caused the explosion. Those two died weeks later in the hospital in Moscow, but instead of a pension and medals for courage their families received curt notices that the only reason they won’t be prosecuted for criminal negiligence was because they were dead. It was Dyatlov who fought for their recognition. He spent years in a labor camp and dedicated the rest of his life to campaigning to clear their names, writing letters and articles, digging up documentation and blueprints and basically proving that the reactor flaws were well known to its designers at the Kurchatov Institute and intentionally kept secret. In his own words, the flaws of the reactor design were so severe that if the explosion hadn’t happened in Chernobyl it would have happened somewhere else. While it’s probably true that Dyatlov was in denial about the amount of rads present in the plant immediately after the accident, portraying him as a bad guy is silly because he wasn’t actually in charge (he was Fomin’s deputy, and Brukhanov - as plant director - was a superior to both of them) and was very quickly put out of commission via acute radiation syndrome. Fomin and Brukhanov meanwhile never were in the control room or anywhere near the explosion and continued to cause damage via denial and minimizing long after Dyatlov was flown to the hospital in Moscow. Sorry about the wall of text, again I’m a huge weirdo about Chernobyl but I feel very strongly about how Dyatlov was made into a scapegoat by the Soviet courts and maligned for a long time afterwards (as he writes in his book, everyone knows you can’t trust a zek). His book is titled Chernobyl: How it happened but only avaiable in russian and (I think) german.

[fakheet-b]

Finally got a chance to watch two last episodes of Chernobyl, and like what the fuck is with making Dyatlov a cartoon villain while directly contradicting the documented facts? 

The way he was depicted in the episode one already made me cringe (insisting it’s the feedwater that exploded, despite that from engineers’ testimony the feedwater theory was quickly abandoned as it became apparent this wasn’t the case), but I begrudgingly let it slip, thinking it’s just a one-off thing. And then in episode four they show him badmouthing Akimov and Toptunov, calling them incompetent idiots despite the fact that he was ON RECORD of defending them all the way when giving his testimony to the investigators.

It’s just shitty man. 

And the main problem with this is that the series blends the facts with the fiction extremely seamlessly and some random bloke who didn’t read anything about Chernobyl and never did any research will from now on know Dyatlov not as a harsh but actually competent person who’s been deprived of critical information about the device he was operating, but as a dumb 2D-flat “you didn’t see graphite on the roof” and “go and look into the nuclear reactor” cruel dipshit.

P.S. Three minutes later and there’s more of this OOC shit. Like, why even bother with the costumes and the buildings and all the authenticity if you’re not even going to get the figures of critical historical importance right?

[comrade-dyatlove]

Poor real A.S. Dyatlov did not deserve this 25 years after his death, when he can’t even defend himself any longer.  I know  that a story needs villains so that it can be sold, but they went too far with Dyatlov. 

[siriuslymeg]

😢 Ablaze by Piers Paul Read

[bewareofdragon]

CHERNOBYL'S 'SHAMELESS LIES'

I thought you guys might find this interesting.  It’s an interview from 1992 that Anatoly Dyatlov gave for the Washington Post.  Whether or not you think the man’s portrayal in the Chernobyl miniseries is accurate (and personally I think the writers took a lot of liberties), it’s interesting to hear his side of the story.  

@tryingtobealwaystrying 

[my-dyatlov]

One of my favourite scenes

I love the way Bryukhanov reacts on Dyatlov’s collapse, how concerned he is. Without a single moment of hesitation, he rushes to the door to call for guards and orders to provide him with any possible aid. This is something that never fails to warm my heart.

Bryukhanov and Dyatlov relationship is one of the precious little things in the series, many would never notice on the background of outshining Legasov and Sherbina brilliant match (bitter sarcasm), but there’s something special in it.

[my-dyatlov]

Me talking about myself

Me talking about Dyatlov