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Comic DD fans only: Who is the worst version of Matt Murdock?

MCU/Netflix show

Guardian Devil

Man Without Fear

Shadowlands

Ultimate verse Matt

Chip Zdarsky's catholic Matt

Other (please specify in the tags)

Voting ended onFeb 8, 2023

M/cu dd fans (that includes you too netflix show fans) keep scrolling, you are not invited to this.

dagenspear

The above post includes Netlfix's version, so, if they're also comic fans, which they can be, they're clearly invited to this.

samlevinsonisafuckingcreep-deac

This, right here, is why the MCU can go fuck itself.

This isn't just utterly butchering a character. This is the worst form of "adaptation" possible, at the level of what they did to Wanda.

America in the comics ranks as one of the most powerful heroes in the entire Marvel universe. Her powers are offensive, and while the star portals are non-offensive, even the way they're presented, that she can "kick open" the star portals, is both conscious and offensive. Like, taking a character described as a "6 foot tall Superman-esque Afro-Latina bruiser with a boatload of confidence" and casting a white (?) 15 year old girl to play her as a scared kid who has no control over her powers and needs Doctor Stephen Strange to play father figure to her is just offensive. Add to that the tiny pride pin - and no it's not a problem because anyone wants a big honking sign declaring her a lesbian or something, it's because the overwhelmingly cishet white male MCU is not a property to be trusted with representation. It truly is to make her easier to project onto for an audience of fans who don't give a crap about characters of color let alone characters marginalized in any other way, and would probably up and leave over an America as powerful, self-confident, physically intimidating and neither cishet nor white nor a man as the comics version is. And that's not even including the fact that America's mothers died heroically trying to save their world, which is also not adapted into the movie. The movie's America Chavez is not America Chavez, she's just an OC made up to give Doctor Stephen Strange another few unnecessary points in the "father figure" department. It's a complete destruction of the character on the level of what happened to Wanda, and it's worse than most other MCU characters.

dagenspear

To be fair, I can see how hard it may be to cast an age appropriate 6 foot tall afro latina actress whose willing and can put on that type of muscle, if the character has it. Maybe lifts would help, depending on the actress? I don’t know.

v-v-x-x

James Gunn will constantly defend and suck Chris Pratt's dick but fires Henry Cavill? Stay in marvel James go fuck that up even more.

dagenspear

I think these things aren’t connected. Presumably he seemed to fire Cavill to tell his own Superman story not bound to the DCEU version, if I had to guess. If so, he has no such reason to do that to Chris Pratt.

darth-memes

dagenspear

No.

kickingthepirate

''stranger tides sucks because of this and that-'' I hear you all I do but potc 4's greatest sin (pun intended) is that it has way too much christian/catholic nonsense

dagenspear

Not at all.

jewishbarbies

the way that so many people just accept that mcu peggy is mostly cynthia glass, a fucking nazi, and act like it’s not a coincidence AT ALL that she didn’t know what zola was doing right under her nose despite the fandom’s belief that she’s some incredibly intelligent girlboss-

dagenspear

Peggy Carter is a fictional character in the mcu and is subject to the writing she’s given. And I can almost guarantee you that, from what I’ve seen, no one who wrote any aspect of the mcu’s hydra story really particularly once actually considered that Peggy knew about hydra growing within SHIELD, let alone helped them. I think this is a headcanon, if I understand it correctly.

jewishbarbies

you completely missed the point and ignored the tags altogether, so congratulations I guess 🙄

dagenspear

I don’t remember anything from the tags that contradicted what I said. Perhaps I misunderstood. I’m sorry if I did.

Were you or were you not suggesting that Peggy allowed hydra to takeover shield on purpose and/or assisted it? If you were saying that, then I didn’t miss the point in what I was speaking about.

jewishbarbies

yeah it was the “stop arguing with jews about this” part you ironically missed twice.

mcu peggy is based on a nazi. she’s literally an oc so obviously it’s the fault of who wrote her, but she’s still based on a nazi. that was the point. the mcu writers have displayed their antisemitism enough that it’s not out of the realm of possibility, but it’s more their sheer ignorance of the situation and fandom ignoring jewish people and talking over them in conversations like this.

dagenspear

I didn’t miss it. I didn’t regard that as the situation within this discussion. Someone’s race doesn’t change a discussion, to me.

Peggy’s not that character. Even if there are some connections, in theory, clearly they’re not even actually writing that character, but Peggy within their MCU story. If they even based her on that, which I don’t know if they did.

Now not having jewish actors/actresses playing jewish people is something I can get. Don’t know if I would call it antisemitism, but I do think it’s not helpful precedent to set. I do think, for the most part, that there’s no real legit reason to not cast, or at least try to cast, someone who is the race of the character they’re playing.

thetimelordbatgirl

I think the worst part of the frankly creepy obsession about whether Captain America is a virgin is the implication that... No matter how well accomplished you are, you could literally be the most beloved superhero of all time, worthy according to Mjolnir, saved the earth multiple times and the universe once; But your life will still be a ‘waste’ to some extent because you died a virgin.

Not only is it grossly regressive, but if anything this message goes back around to harm women, too; Because it just strengthens this harmful idea that a man is a failure until he’s had sex (with a woman!!! the show makes sure to specify), and that just makes men even more desperate, even more aggressive with women to get sex from them. Which of course leads to rape... But hey, isn’t this show so feminist???

I don't really have anything to add to this, because these are points I didn't even think off when it came to She-Hulk acting like Steve potentially dying a virgin is a bad thing.

dagenspear

I wouldn’t assume rape is anything more than someone’s own issues, not because a TV series encourages, wrongly yes, that not having sex is a waste or whatever nonsense.

jewishbarbies

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jewishbarbies

you completely missed the point and ignored the tags altogether, so congratulations I guess 🙄

dagenspear

I don’t remember anything from the tags that contradicted what I said. Perhaps I misunderstood. I’m sorry if I did.

Were you or were you not suggesting that Peggy allowed hydra to takeover shield on purpose and/or assisted it? If you were saying that, then I didn’t miss the point in what I was speaking about.

jewishbarbies

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mylordshesacactus

Please make a post about the story of the RMS Carpathia, because it's something that's almost beyond belief and more people should know about it.

Carpathia received Titanic’s distress signal at 12:20am, April 15th, 1912. She was 58 miles away, a distance that absolutely could not be covered in less than four hours.

(Californian’s exact position at the time is…controversial. She was close enough to have helped. By all accounts she was close enough to see Titanic’s distress rockets. It’s uncertain to this day why her crew did not respond, or how many might not have been lost if she had been there. This is not the place for what-ifs. This is about what was done.)

Carpathia’s Captain Rostron had, yes, rolled out of bed instantly when woken by his radio operator, ordered his ship to Titanic’s aid and confirmed the signal before he was fully dressed. The man had never in his life responded to an emergency call. His goal tonight was to make sure nobody who heard that fact would ever believe it.

All of Carpathia’s lifeboats were swung out ready for deployment. Oil was set up to be poured off the side of the ship in case the sea turned choppy; oil would coat and calm the water near Carpathia if that happened, making it safer for lifeboats to draw up alongside her. He ordered lights to be rigged along the side of the ship so survivors could see it better, and had nets and ladders rigged along her sides ready to be dropped when they arrived, in order to let as many survivors as possible climb aboard at once.

I don’t know if his making provisions for there still being survivors in the water was optimism or not. I think he knew they were never going to get there in time for that. I think he did it anyway because, god, you have to hope.

Carpathia had three dining rooms, which were immediately converted into triage and first aid stations. Each had a doctor assigned to it. Hot soup, coffee, and tea were prepared in bulk in each dining room, and blankets and warm clothes were collected to be ready to hand out. By this time, many of the passengers were awake–prepping a ship for disaster relief isn’t quiet–and all of them stepped up to help, many donating their own clothes and blankets.

And then he did something I tend to refer to as diverting all power from life support.

Here’s the thing about steamships: They run on steam. Shocking, I know; but that steam powers everything on the ship, and right now, Carpathia needed power. So Rostron turned off hot water and central heating, which bled valuable steam power, to everywhere but the dining rooms–which, of course, were being used to make hot drinks and receive survivors. He woke up all the engineers, all the stokers and firemen, diverted all that steam back into the engines, and asked his ship to go as fast as she possibly could. And when she’d done that, he asked her to go faster.

I need you to understand that you simply can’t push a ship very far past its top speed. Pushing that much sheer tonnage through the water becomes harder with each extra knot past the speed it was designed for. Pushing a ship past its rated speed is not only reckless–it’s difficult to maneuver–but it puts an incredible amount of strain on the engines. Ships are not designed to exceed their top speed by even one knot. They can’t do it. It can’t be done.

Carpathia’s absolute do-or-die, the-engines-can’t-take-this-forever top speed was fourteen knots. Dodging icebergs, in the dark and the cold, surrounded by mist, she sustained a speed of almost seventeen and a half.

No one would have asked this of them. It wasn’t expected. They were almost sixty miles away, with icebergs in their path. They had a respondibility to respond; they did not have a responsibility to do the impossible and do it well. No one would have faulted them for taking more time to confirm the severity of the issue. No one would have blamed them for a slow and cautious approach. No one but themselves.

They damn near broke the laws of physics, galloping north headlong into the dark in the desperate hope that if they could shave an hour, half an hour, five minutes off their arrival time, maybe for one more person those five minutes would make the difference. I say: three people had died by the time they were lifted from the lifeboats. For all we know, in another hour it might have been more. I say they made all the difference in the world.

This ship and her crew received a message from a location they could not hope to reach in under four hours. Just barely over three hours later, they arrived at Titanic’s last known coordinates. Half an hour after that, at 4am, they would finally find the first of the lifeboats. it would take until 8:30 in the morning for the last survivor to be brought onboard. Passengers from Carpathia universally gave up their berths, staterooms, and clothing to the survivors, assisting the crew at every turn and sitting with the sobbing rescuees to offer whatever comfort they could.

In total, 705 people of Titanic’s original 2208 were brought onto Carpathia alive. No other ship would find survivors.

At 12:20am April 15th, 1912, there was a miracle on the North Atlantic. And it happened because a group of humans, some of them strangers, many of them only passengers on a small and unimpressive steam liner, looked at each other and decided: I cannot live with myself if I do anything less.

I think the least we can do is remember them for it.

thejollywriter

wow okay i’m crying now

girlwithakiwi

“And even as he watched the rescue unfolding that morning, he would have understood that for the living, everything which could have been done had been done: not a single survivor was lost or injured being brought aboard the Carpathia. For those who had gone down with the Titanic, save for reverencing their memory at the service later that day, there was nothing more that he or anyone could do. Rostron’s duty now was as he always saw it: to the living.”

becausegoodheroesdeservekidneys

I looked up a bit about this because the post is so movingly written that when I read it aloud to my husband and mother they both wept like babies, and something else really struck me about this story.

So Carpathia was not a top-end luxury liner. Her reputation was for being Jolly Comfortable - she was very broad in her proportions, and not super-duper fast, and the result was that she didn’t rock so much on the waves and you couldn’t particularly hear/feel the engines. She was solid and dependable, and lots of people liked using her, but she therefore occupied a lesser niche than Titanic or Olympian or whatever - and crucially, as a result of that, she only had one radio operator on board. This means she only had radio ops for a certain window in the day, unlike Titanic, which had 24 hour radio ops.

So on that night, when Titanic went down, Carpathia’s wireless operator - one Harold Cottam - clocked off his shift at midnight, and went to bed. While he was getting ready for bed, though, he left the transmitter on for the hell of it, and therefore picked up a transmission from Cape Race in Newfoundland, the closest transmitting tower sending messages to the ships. They told him that they had a backlog of private traffic for Titanic that wasn’t getting through. So, even though his shift was over, and it was now 11 minutes past bloody midnight, and he just wanted to go to bed, Harold Cottam decided that nonetheless, he’d be helpful, and let the Titanic know they had messages waiting.

And that’s how he received the Titanic’s distress signal. In spite of no longer being on shift to receive it, and therefore in order to send Carpathia galloping to Titanic’s rescue, and thus saving 705 people.

All because Harold Cottam decided one night to be kind.

I dunno. That’s just really stuck with me.

armouredescort

Cottam also ended up staying awake for something like 48 hours straight trying to send survivors messages and a list of survivors home, but due to Carpathia’s limited radio frequency range and with no other ships to act as a relay, this was rather patchy. However, he tried his damn best to make sure the survivor’s messages got home, and was also bombarded with incoming messages of bribes to spill the details of the disaster to the press.

Rostrum had ordered that no messages to the press be sent out of respect to the survivors, for they would have their privacy destroyed as soon as they reached New York. Cottam respected this order, even under extreme duress of fatigue, stress, and the knowledge that in some cases the bribes were almost three times his annual salary.

He eventually went to bed but not before working with one of the rescued Titanic’s radio operators, Harold Bride, to transmit as many messages as possible. Bride was injured (his feet had been crushed in a lifeboat) and had just passed the body of the second of Titanic’s radio operators aboard (Jack Phillips), so neither of them were really in the best shape to keep working, but they did.

In the face of extreme adversity, both men refused to do anything but their duty (and exceeding their duty) not just because Rostrum had ordered it, but because it was the right thing to do. They could have profited considerably from the disaster and they refused for the dignity of the survivors.

duckbunny

This is hopepunk. This is what we can be, what we are, when instinct takes over. This is what we are when we choose to care about each other. We’re not profit machines or units of production or lone fierce wolves in a bitter wilderness. We are people, and we care about people.

This is human nature. Don’t give up on it.

deadcatwithaflamethrower

Hopepunk is best punk.

saint-batrick

this always leaves me sobbing. fuck.

petermorwood

I wrote a post a couple of years ago, wondering why there hadn’t been a documentary or docu-drama about the ‘Carpathia’ rescue run.

There are probably sound reasons why not, one of which is probably that getting yet another ‘Titanic’ project greenlit is far easier - name recognition, pre-sold property, multiple conspiracy theories to play with (all discredited, but when did that stop the “History” Channel?)

Here are a couple of stories about ‘Carpathia’:

As @mylordshesacactus has already said, her boilers and engines were rated for no more than 14 knots and, when she managed 17.5 for the only time in her life it’s said (I hate the phrase but I have to use it) that the Chief Engineer hung his hat over the main pressure gauge so no-one - including himself - could see how far its needle was into the red.

Captain Rostron, a religious man, was seen on several occasions standing privately on the exposed bridge wing with his own hat raised and his mouth moving in silent prayer, and when daylight revealed the extent of the ice-field his ship had passed without harm, he only said “There must have been another Hand on the wheel than mine…”

There’s another problem-of-sorts about a screenplay set aboard ‘Carpathia’ - an astonishing lack of that easy dramatic tool, conflict. Captain Rostron decided he was going to the ‘Titanic’s assistance, and that was that. AFAIK not a single passenger or crewman - not one - questioned the wisdom of his decision either then or afterwards, even when…

…‘Carpathia’ headed at more than full speed, in the dark, through dangerous waters where an iceberg had apparently just sunk an “unsinkable” ship.

It’s easier to write - and sell - a story about pride, arrogance, stupidity, rich against poor and lives lost through hubris, than it is to write one about people who rallied round and did the right thing at the right time, not for reward but because it was the right thing to do.

Here’s Rostron and his officers…

…the ‘Carpathia’ stewards and cabin crew….

…some of her passengers…

…and some of the people they helped.

joasakura

I will always reblog one of the few posts to GUARANTEE leaving me in an ugly sobbing heartfelt mess.

Godspeed Carpathia and your crew, your memories live on.

dagenspear

Thank God for all of this that was accomplished. It’s a true miracle.

wychelm

syril: please. Don't leave me. I know I've met you once and you were interrogating me but you give me hope that there's beauty and justice in the galaxy. Thank you thank you thank you thank you I'm nothing thank you thank you sorry for stalking you thank you thank you th

dedra, already experiencing 2948 daily misogynies with no room for any more let alone a big one:

dagenspear

How is this misogyny? He’s practically tripping all over himself for the honor of the feeling of her having power over him.

rumaan

Syril Karn truly is the insert of all the Star Wars losers who cry about politics being put into *their* Star Wars and how “forced diversity” and “wokery” is ruining *their* Star Wars as they cry from their mother’s kitchen table basement

Absolute losers

dagenspear

Huh? He has had no qualms about diversity or wokery, forced or otherwise. How is there a comparison, when he’s not doing those things? And I’ve only seen positive things from about everyone about this show, which has presented fairly liberal based concepts.

She-Hulk Series Redo Pitch

To start off, I thought the changing of the origin to fit in some MCU nonsense was weak. I think the origin has a solid striking vibe to it and makes sense to be the one that happens. This won't be really touching on the political red tape the show and/or some of it's viewers may have, on really either side, to me. And it does, I think, still play in the wheelhouse for what I think the show was wanting to do with the origin. For this, here is the idea that God, if He wills, has blessed me with:

EPISODE 1:

If you must, the episode can still open with the wacky Jen talking to the audience scene and how yes, she's a hulk, and all that. But her origin is limited to 1 striking scene at the beginning.

It's 2011. Jen is early in her law career, working on her first big case, after getting out of law school: Taking down some members of the mob.

Jen gets home and Bruce Banner is there. He's a bit depressed, doesn't know where to go, she's the only family he has close by, this is after he put the bullet in his mouth and the other guy spit it out. She's surprised to see him, hasn't seen him in years, heard he'd taken a job on another continent, but is also happy to see him, as they do like eachother as family.

Suddenly Jen's house begins being shot up. The mob members are trying to get rid of her. Jen takes cover. Bruce isn't quite as caring of his own life anymore, and as the bullets are fired at him he's not taking immediate action to get out of the way.

Jen tackles Bruce out of the way, being shot in the process, Bruce's shoulder getting a stray bullet. Yes, I know that's not the comic canon origin, but this an attempt to play with a version of the comic origin on the terms I think the show wants to pursue.

Jen is bleeding from a shot to the gut. Bruce is getting angry, his cousin is maybe dying, he's been shot and is bleeding, he's trying to hold it together and keep her from bleeding out. The blood from Bruce's shoulder runs down his arm into Jen's open gunshot wound. The gunfire is continuing to erupt around them, Bruce uses Jen's cell to call 911, them on their way, when he finally loses it and smashes the phone and becomes the Hulk.

Jen fades into unconsciousness as she only sees the blurry image of a green monster take out the mobsters.

Jen wakes up in the hospital. Bruce is able to sneak in to see if she's okay, in a doctor's coat and a surgical mask. Jen's fine, she's not poisoned by his blood and she didn't turn into a hulk. He's relieved on both accounts. He gets out of there when some military come to ask her about the situation. She lies for him.

Jen's hulk attributes didn't immediately surface. Why? No direct irradiation. Bruce's blood has those cells, but it has Ross' primer bonded to it that abates that energy. And Jen and Bruce have similar enough DNA and the same blood type, so there's no nasty effects from it. In the first Incredible Hulk movie it suggests that Blonsky needed not only Banner's blood, but also some gamma radiation to ignite the Abomination. Jen has no such problem or desire to have that happen. And it won't...

Until the gamma radiation of the infinity stones is used to snap half the population out of existence and back. Jen was among that half. She doesn't realize until a few days after she returns from being dusted that her Hulk powers have been activated, when she's attacked while on her way home.

The first episode uses the flashback of her accident that got her these powers and the reveal that she has them as a framing device. Inbetween those flashbacks, the story of the episode is about Jen, at her job, putting together a case against Mary MacPherran, or as she's known as a social media influencer, Titania. Titania's being prosecuted for wrecking her car into her house after her and her boyfriend got into an argument and he claims she did it on purpose to try and kill him as he was inside.

Titania's defense is that she was in emotional distress because her boyfriend had cheated on her, and she claims someone had driven in front of her as she was trying to leave and she swerved to avoid them, the car getting out of control, feigning responsibility that she should have been paying attention. Some of Titania's witnesses seem a little too conveniently to line up on the same story. Jen is able to dismantle the testimonies after using security cameras to find no other vehicles in the area.

When Titania sees she's lost and is going to face being sentenced in an attempted murder conviction, Titania reveals she has super strength, and that she didn't drive the car into the house, she threw it. Jen finally has to reveal herself, for the first time, as She-Hulk, and she fights Titania to protect the jury and people. Titania finds herself seemingly going to be bested due to Jen's superior strength, so she escapes.

Jen finds herself being swarmed by the press and paparazzi, being asked many questions.

EPISODES 2 & 3:

In the show, Jen still loses her job as a DA, for similar reasons and is offered another job by a firm whose opened the superhero law division.

Jen spends 2 episodes on the Blonsky case, like the show. Though his character isn't as totally shifted, but there's still the defense of how he's a decorated soldier, and was experimented on with an unstable formula to give him powers and used as a weapon even though it was known it was starting to effect his mind. Emil takes responsibility for his rashness and brutality in spite of the effects the serum he was given may have had on him.

Jen gains more fame, more attention, which she does like, and inevitably, more criticism, as is the way of people and the media. All that.

Side plot in episode 3 can be her trying to get better clothes and going to the special tailor Luke Jacobson to do it.

EPISODE 4:

It's the same as the Wong episode. Jen begins to bask in the feeling of liking being She Hulk. Liking the attention. Feeling confident. Going on dates. Similar thing with her dates, she likes a guy, he's into She-Hulk but not Jen afterwards. Jen is disappointed.

EPISODE 5:

She has the wedding episode and is still confronted with Titania, though Titania's now on the run and blames Jen for this, antagonizing Jen to get her to turn, fighting her, their fight wrecking the wedding, Titania gaining a win this time using Jen's desire to protect others, before escaping. Jen's friend is angry at the situation, Jen is left to be frustrated with the cost her powers have on those in her life.

EPISODE 6:

This episode sees Jen made to to defend a big business suing a superhero for use of a name they copywrote. It's a fruitless, empty case, that is only a business trying to push down someone lower class, one that further frustrates Jen about her newfound situation and she feels guilty about it. Subplot has her speaking to Blonsky in his self help group about this situation. Jen is nominated for female lawyer of the year, though she feels unfulfilled by this.

EPISODE 7:

This is basically the Daredevil episode. Can be basically the same if you want. Jen is feeling unsatisfied in her job, the fame being not so thrilling and feeling it to be shallow, feeling like she's given up why she became a lawyer, letting the criticism from trolls get to her, in connection to these feelings.

She's faced with a case with defending Leapfrog, a supposed superhero who was making a big and becoming famous using his invention to stop crimes, having gotten a suit from Luke Jacobson, and wanting to sue him for it's malfunction. Jen is disconnected from this case, seeing Leapfrog as arrogant, especially after him admitting that he didn't read the instructions about the suit, but Jen is still obligated to be his lawyer due to her contract, even though she knows he's wrong.

Almost all of the same things happen. Matt Murdock is defending Luke Jacobson. Matt wins the case. Leapfrog kidnaps Luke in retaliation to get him to make a new suit for him. Matt and Jen connect, with Matt speaking to Jen about how her position offers a unique opportunity to help those who need it.

Jen and Matt work together to rescue Luke from Leapfrog. Afterward, Jen is feeling relieved for the first time in a while. In this feeling and her liking of Matt, the 2 sleep together. Basically the same.

EPISODE 8:

In this episode she's faced with a case regarding the Sokovia Accords itself. That case is in regards to a superhero named Speedball.

Getting involved in this case, Jen uncovers incidents against other superheroes in the name of the sokovia accords.

Winning the case, with her renewed interest in pursuing using her newfound fame and position to help others, Jen convinces her boss that taking a stance in regards to defending these seeming victims could generate good PR for the firm. Jen, using her newfound fame, begins pushing more and more for fair treatment for superheroes who have been unfairly prosecuted under the sokovia accords.

But a huge wrench is thrown in that, when, at the award for female lawyer of the year, every bit of her information is released on the screen behind, including her property damage during the fight with Daredevil and her fight with Titania earlier in the season, and a video of her having sex with the guy from earlier in the season, all to scandalize her.

Jen is hurt, embarrased and enraged, and, for the first time in the season, Jen loses her temper and smashes the screen in blind anger, breaking it and the wall behind it.

Damage Control show up, by an anonymous tip that a hulk was rampaging. In her anger, she attacks those who are coming to attack her, raising up one of the agents before snapping out of it, and realizing what happened.

EPISODE 9:

This episode starts fairly similarly. Jen is locked in a similar prison that Blonsky was in. She's confused about what happened, thinking she had being a hulk under control. She remembers talking to Bruce about her first turn, him speaking about how his Hulk identity was connected to his childhood trauma, and the identity through the anger that intensified with the powers manifested with that.

Jen thought she was okay, because she didn't have that repressed trauma or anger. Jen knows it must have been Titania who did this. Jen makes the same deal, she made for Blonsky, to have her powers muted with a dampening device, and if she breaks the agreement she goes right to jail. She's been fired again, is losing her apartment, and, after having embraced She Hulk and the heroic things she can do, is faced with not being able to again.

Jen uses her legal connections, and her friends to seek out Titania and confronts her. Titania hates Jen for her life and reputation being ruined, claiming she stole her fame and spotlight, so Titania did the same to her. Jen tells Titania that she doesn't want anything to do with what Titania has, calling her shallow and narcissistic and telling her how empty her life is just using her fame to fuel her ego, calling the cops on her to stop her.

Titania attacks Jen, who is powerless currently, against Titania. Titania drags Jen into the public street, wanting to humiliate her in public. Titania picks up a car with people in it and is going to crush Jen, but Jen, seeing the people cry in fear, she rips the device out of her arm and lets herself get angry. As She Hulk, Jen saves the people and fights Titania, becoming more savage, but using her commitment to help people, keeps her focus, and simply restrains Titania, rather than beat her to a pulp.

Damage Control arrives to arrest Titania and Jen for breaching her deal. But the people she rescued defend her. Jen agrees to go with them, as a lawyer respecting the terms of her breach in the deal.

The last part of the episode is her court, representing herself in the case, admitting to her mistakes in her taking her power and what it means for her and others for granted, but, through her friends, gaining many character witnesses attesting to Jen's heroic pursuits, some of those she's helped in the season and the people she rescued from Titania, maybe even Matt Murdock as well.

Jen having admitted her perceived guilt, is still found guilty, but is given the lenient sentence of time served, the judge having been swayed by the character witnesses.

Jen's heart is warmed by the support she's gained and is prompted more than ever to turn down the offer of her job back, and start her own firm for superhero legal cases, choosing to use her fame and support to help some of those who may need it, as both Jen Walters and She Hulk.

Post credits scene is revealing that Titania got her powers from The Leader.

Please review and tell me what you think!

#anti she hulk #anti mcu

tubapun

Yknow sometimes I wonder how much of the modern hatred of Scrappy-Doo is based on anything he actually did when he was in the shows vs how much it's based on other people hating him and the following perception affecting his scant few appearances in the late 90s/early 2000s. Cause obviously there's people older than me on here, but a lot of the people I see talk about him are in that mid 20s to mid 30s age range, which makes the actual likelihood of seeing Scrappy episodes while they were airing very very small.

How many people hate Scrappy-Doo just cause they're told to? How many think he's a pompous arrogant narcissist cause they've only seen him in Scooby-Doo (2002) or the Cartoon Network City bumpers?

Would they like him if they actually saw the episodes he's in?

dagenspear

I watched Scrappy shows and such in the 90′s as a kid. I don’t hate him. To me, he was a part of the show then. I’ve become not pleased at finding out that the character is hated so much.

scoobypineapple

Seeing this tweet from an official Scooby Doo franchise is dissapointing to say the least.

Either way, here is YOUR reminder that Daphne Blake is....

• A skilled martial artist and surfer

• A television personality/reporter

• A leader

• The glue that holds Mystery Inc. together

Daphne Blake has always been way more than just "The Hot one", So let me ask you...

dagenspear

I think it feels typical of modern day proclamations, to claim that this is the first special time this has happened, when it’s not.

cartoongirlshenangians

unpopular opinion I like scrappy doo i never understood the hate LA is not my canon

dagenspear

I don’t hate the character either.

thevampireconnoisseur

Hocus pocus 2 was so bad. Like, unbelievably bad. It was so bad that not even 30 minutes in I turned it off because it was just driving me fucking crazy.

They undid everything from the first movie.

The sanderson sisters are terrifying witches who have a book made out of human skin and suck the life out of children to stay young forever. We never get any reasoning for that, which is a good thing! All we know about these three is that they have a book made of human skin and they kill children to stay young.

And the very first scene, the very first fucking scene, is a motherfucking "tragic backstory" where Winnie was going to be married off to some guy in the town and when she said no her sisters were taken from her so the three of them ran away into the woods where they meet some random fucking witch who gives them the book before disappearing forever.

That very first scene undoes everything from the first movie.

The book was scary because it was this thing the sisters had that was made from fucking human skin, something that if someone has you instantly know they're fucked up and evil people. The fact that the book wasn't even theirs to begin with but was given to them??? That undoes everything!!!! Instantly the sisters loose, like, 50% of their street cred because the one thing that was supposed to be theirs and show just how terrifying they were is now just some hand-me-down.

Giving Winnie the backstory of "oh no I'm going to be married off and I don't want to be" is fucking bullshit!!! The very first movie we are shown that she is fucking powerful and she is fucking scary and she does it all just because she can. There is no motivation other than "I'm evil and I have a goal so I'm going to do whatever it takes to achieve that goal," Giving Winnie (and her sisters) a backstory was on the same level of stupid and unnecessary as giving Cruella De Vil a backstory.

By giving the sanderson sisters a backstory, disney instantly took away everything that actually made them good. Not every villain needs a backstory!! Sometimes villains are better without them!! You don't need to make every single fucking character a sympathetic one!! It's ok for some characters to just be evil for the sake of being evil!!

Then a little bit after that opening scene the main characters go to some store where the guy says only the very special black candle was the one able to bring the sanderson sisters back but hey, you can buy black candle lookalikes in the giftshop! and, of course, the sanderson sisters are brought back by a fucking black candle c o p y, not even the actual black candle, just some manufactured gift shop bullshit copy black candle and at that point I screamed out loud "THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS YOU NEED THE ACTUAL BLACK CANDLE" and turned it off because I had seen enough.

Why why why did disney think this was a good movie or even a necessary one????? I literally hated this movie so fucking much that not even half an hour in I turned it off, and I've never done that with a movie before. Ever.

Fans of the original hocus pocus and just regular movie fans alike, skip this one. Sit this one out. It's not worth it. All you'll get from this movie is disappointment and anger. Zero out of ten, I would not recommend this movie to anybody.

dagenspear

If it helps, the guy is revealed to have made the candle on purpose for them to be awakened. He made it from something that the book had.

To be fair to the movie, that so called “tragic backstory” has really hardly any input on the characters motivations to be powerful and such. But what it does do, you may dislike more: Set up that Winifred cares about her sisters, and at the end the movie tries to have her change, because she gets more powers and it causes her sisters to die.

Yeah... I think it’s pretty dumb similarly.

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