[danyburnthemall]

me: I really hate Jon. And Sansa. And Arya. I hate all of them.

me after a minute: I hate D&D for making me hate these beautifully complex characters, I'll never forgive you for what you've done to them, you incompetent dicks.

[danyburnthemall]

I cringe every time someone compares this GoT shitshow with Lost, lmao, what was so bad with Lost? I loved the ending and cried like a baby. "Too many questions left unanswered", like, there were unanswered questions that wouldn't advance the plot at all (like, why were there the white bears or who built that foot statue, go and theorize all you want). As far as I remember, almost all character arcs were good? I wasn't screaming "what the fuck, why".

I'll never understand why Lost is considered to be a huge disappointment.

[croookedfingers]

time spent debating if kissing your aunt is ok: 4 episodes

time spent debating if killing your aunt ok: half an episode 

[robbstarkl]

i cannot explain how much i DESPISE the “she grows more powerful and more sure that she is good and right” line. man thinks woman with more power than him has superiority complex? groundbreaking. literally what women have to deal with every day of their lives.

[creganstark]

Guys I lost my glasses is that an A or an A+?

[agoddamn]

GOD some of these fucking quotes/stories about the production of GoT

Sophie Turner herself was first “informed” of the change from the books, which involved her character now being raped, as part of a joke that director Alex Graves made at her expense during filming of Season 4. As Turner explained in an interview with Entertainment Weekly a day after this wedding night scene aired: “Last season [Thrones director] Alex Graves decided to give me hints. He was saying, ‘You get a love interest next season.’ And I was all, 'I actually get a love interest!’ ” – Apparently Turner assumed they meant they were going to cast Harrold Hardyng for Sansa’s Vale storyarc in Season 5, to be her handsome and noble love interest as he was in the novels. Instead, Turner said, “So I get the scripts and I was so excited and I was flicking through and then I was like, "Aw, are you kidding me!?’”

[Neil Marshall, director of Blackwater] recalled that an unnamed executive producer repeatedly urged him to add more full-frontal nudity during filming. According to Marshall, this producer told him that “everyone else in the series [represents the] drama side. I represent the perv[ert] side of the audience, and I’m saying I want full frontal nudity in the scenes”

Season 4 onwards, there have been no female members in the creative team - that is, not production design, but those actually in a position to influence story adaptation decisions. There has only ever been one female staff writer on the TV series, Vanessa Taylor, who joined the writing staff in Season 2 and continued through Season 3, but then left to work on film projects. Jane Espenson also wrote one episode in Season 1, but she wasn’t a staff writer (that is, actively a member of the roundtable meetings at which the other 3-4 writers discuss adaptation decisions)

[adreamofspring-archive]

Emilia saying that in the end, Daenerys still wasn’t enough for Jon destroys me because she sacrificed everything for him and he killed her and I just :(

[inthenameofsephiroth]

# but we are not men

[ldynyx]

Slavoj Zizek: Game of Thrones played to fears of revolution and political women – and left us no better off

So justice prevailed – but what kind of justice?

[…]

“The finale combines the rejection of a radical change with an old anti-feminist motif at work in Wagner. […] In contrast to male ambition, a woman wants power in order to promote her own narrow family interests or, even worse, her personal caprice, incapable as she is of perceiving the universal dimension of state politics.

The same femininity which, within the close circle of family life, is the power of protective love, turns into obscene frenzy when displayed at the level of public and state affairs. Recall the lowest point in the dialogue of Game of Thrones when Daenerys tells Jon that if he cannot love her as a queen then fear should reign – the embarrassing, vulgar motif of a sexually unsatisfied woman who explodes into destructive fury.”

[…]

“Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.”

[…]

“Consequently, Jon kills out of love (saving the cursed woman from herself, as the old male-chauvinist formula says) the only social agent in the series who really fought for something new, for a new world that would put an end to old injustices.

So justice prevailed – but what kind of justice? The new king is Bran: crippled, all-knowing, who wants nothing – with the evocation of the insipid wisdom that the best rulers are those who do not want power. A dismissive laughter that ensues when one of the new elite proposes a more democratic selection of the king tells it all.”

[…]

Very interesting analysis, I recommend reading it.

[madreofdragons]

Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen for EW

[targaryen-stronghold]

Broke: The show should have had more episodes to truly flesh out Dany’s descend into madness. It came out of nowhere and it ruined the series.

Woke: Demonizing women in power is a tale as old as time and having two corrupted-by-power female leads makes no sense. It’s a trope and it needs to die. In Dany’s case is even more offensive when you recall she started the series as a abused young girl being sold off as a sex slave by her brother in exchange for an army.

[kylos]

Yikes. A research group found that women only speak 25% of the lines on Game of Thrones.

[rainhadaenerys]

So… season 8, the season that was entirely dedicated to tearing down a female character in power, is also the season where women speak the least. It fits with how Dany’s “descent into madness” was portrayed too. Up until episode 4, Dany didn’t do anything that would justify her male advisors to be so concerned about her sanity, but we were told by the men that she was mad and violent and needed to be controlled by the men around her. Her perspective is not there. Also, this has been a pattern for a long time. In any discussion, Dany’s male advisors were the ones that offered more arguments, while Dany usually didn’t speak much.

[iheartgot]

[targaryen-stronghold]

People defending a context of domestic violence are beyond disgusting. Especially women. Are you serious? Are you actually standing up for this crap just because you hate her character? The writers chose to frame a man killing his girlfriend/lover as the right thing to do and as something heroic when women are being murdered by their husbands, boyfriends, etc. every fucking day. 

There were many ways how Daenerys could have been a villain and Jon could have killed her without making it misogynist or offensive

Don’t make them a couple and have them have a epic and fair fight

Don’t make him trick her with false promises and kisses before murdering her

Instead, Dany was demonized and killed a entire city for Jon Snow to look heroic while and after killing her. That’s fucked up. That’s sexist. And I’m not having it.

Actually, I don’t even know why I’m surprised women with internalized misogyny cheer for this fictional crap when they still blame real women for their rapes.

[muttpeeta]

The worst part about the ending for me was the writers comparing Daenerys to Hitler and the deliberate Third Reich motifs in the last episode, since I'm a Jewish girl who loves Dany. My nickname for her is even Mama Neshama (Neshama being Hebrew for "soul").

it was quite vile and disrespectful, i’m sorry. i saw a very interesting twitter thread from a Jewish man who felt incredibly offended by Tyrion’s speech that also essentially compared her to Hitler and the Holocaust with his “First she came for the slaveowners” kind of false equivalency. ugh. i don’t come at it from any other perspective than as a woman, but i did find their smarmy commentary about a woman fighting for the oppressed becoming just like her oppressors incredibly repulsive and tone-deaf, especially in these political times.

[targaryen-stronghold]

This is incredibly disrespectful. Dany is a fictional character and her victims are fictional characters. They made her destroy one fictional city. Hitler was a real person who plotted and ordered the murder of around 6 million people (Holocaust) and emerged all Europe in war killing countless others. 

Also, Dany’s ideology has nothing to do with Nazism so it’s plain ignorance comparing the two

Nazism believed in Expansionism – conquering land – because Hitler wanted to create the “Lebensraum” (living space) for German people

Racism: Nazism believed the Aryan race (German people) to be a “master race”, superior to all others and ordered the genocide and enslavement of Jews, black people, homosexuals, gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, physical and mentally disabled, communists, etc.

Nationalism: Germany – the “Third Reich” (third empire) is superior to all other countries and must assure its dominance and supremacy over them

Did she ever execute people just because they were racially different from her? Did she ever make a speech about how the Valryians are racially superior to the Dothraki or the Andals or the First Men? 

D&D apparently don’t even know what they write. Dany’s ideology – kill the masters and free the people - is closer to Communism. They wrote her similar to Stalin in a way but if she was a true Stalinist her first action would have been killing Jon, Gendry, Sansa, Arya and everyone who meant competition to her power. Seriously, if you are going around throwing totalitarian regimes labels at least know what you are talking about.

This is beyond ignorant when D&D wrote the Northern people as a bunch of racists and xenophobes who didn’t like the Essosi simply because they were foreigners even tho they were there to help save the place. I mean come on, the North wants to be independent because they don’t want to bow down to foreigners - It’s the peak of the “white only” club. I wouldn’t be surprised if Show!Sansa’s first action as queen would be building a freaking wall to separate the North from the rest of the kingdoms.

[slaughterofinnocence]

They also compared the burning of Kings Landing to Hiroshima bombing. Like… you should never do that. That is so insensitive! Game of Thrones is a fantasy show! Daenerys is a fictional character and Drogon is a creature that doesn’t even exist in a real world! If you want so badly compare him to something just say “nuclear bomb”, which is more neutral. Don’t use an actual horrific event from the past that killed thousands of people! 

Not only that. They most likely distorted Emilia’s words. She said she watched Hitler’s speeches to see if she can understand the idea of what his saying even if he speaks in a foreign language. You know, to see if she can pull it of during her speech in episode 6. They took her words, changed it and used it to compare Daenerys to Hitler. It’s so disrespectful. I’m from Poland, a country that SUFFERED A GREAT DEAL because of Hitler. So hearing them comparing my favorite character to such despicable person who killed millions of people (because they were “worse”) and destroyed my home country, makes me sick and furious. 

Learn your history before you compare a person, who united people of all colors, beliefs, preferences or conditions to Hitler. Why do we even have to have that kind of conversation in 2019?

[carisi-rollins]

[nightqueendany-deactivated20250]

Yara’s like, if I had a gold dragon for every bitch who threatened me and lost, I’d be the fucking queen right now. 

[targaryen-stronghold]

One last bit of misogyny from D&D to prove once and for all that women just can’t get along

Thanks D&D for making badass warrior queen Yara/Asha remain quiet after being threatened by a child I guess? Go read the books, people. Asha has been killing her enemies and commanding fleets since before Arya was born.

Also: these antis in the comments cheering Arya while they’ve always bashed Dany for resorting on violence to deal with her problems. Fuck off.

[danyburnthemall]

Broke: fuck Arya, shut the fuck up with your threats.

Woke: fuck D&D for, AGAIN, pitting women against each other in the most cringe way possible.

[arkadiaschancellor]

Are some of the criticisms Game of Thrones has been getting kind of outrageous? Yes, of course, but I would never tell anyone to “shut the f-ck up” because of it. Especially if they are professional CRITICS, whose sole job is to criticize the weaker points of any work of media. 

Do I think Kit Harrington and Isaac Hempstead Wright have all the right to be angry that the fans and critics are trashing the season? Once again, yes, of course, but I don’t think their logic is entirely sound. Just because people worked hard on it, does not mean it is exempt from criticism. Effort does not equal an A but in the very most a C+ or B- (any teacher or student will tell you this). Game of Thrones season 8 as a whole does not deserve a “pass” from criticism because of “how much work was put into it.” It does not matter that everyone but D&D did their job perfectly when the finished project just wasn’t that great (quality wise). 

I think we should recognize the cast and crews’ efforts, but I think they should also recognize that this is the type of reaction fans and critics alike had while watching season 8:

[reallytiredofyourshitglee]

I haven’t even seen anyone complaining about anything other than the writing. Rather the opposite, everyone is saying how hard the actors and crew must have worked.

D&D got A TON of money and prestige from this gig. And they completely bs'ed their last assignment. They did not work hard. It’s pretty clear they sat down for an hour and wrote the first thing that came to their minds because they have other writing assignments now that they care more about. That’s unprofessional and unfair to the fans. They deserve to be called out for it.

Kit Harington might not feel personally hurt but women and especially women of colour do. The ending followed all the tropes we’ve established in the last century (not to say other characters were treated well)

Most importantly, if we don’t complain nothing will ever change.