guess you shouldn't have lied

[discourseprincesalies]

Receipts masterpost

I’ve had a lot of people asking for the receipts, so I’ve tagged them so they’re easier to find amid all the asks and other stuff.

/tagged/receipts - all receipts

/tagged/ethnicity - ones relating to her ethnic claims

/tagged/birth-assignment - ones relating to her claiming to be AFAB, then deleting that and saying she’d never mentioned her birth assignment, then claiming to be AMAB

/tagged/intersex - ones relating to her contradictory claims about her supposed intersex condition(s)

/tagged/sockpuppeting - ones relating to her use of sockpuppet blogs

All discourseprincesa pages archived on archive.is

cishetlivesdontmatter archived

aphobicf*g archived

[discourseprincesareceipts]

i think, for me, this is gonna be the last post, unless i get good solid intel that DiP is back playacting as oppressed identities she doesn't belong to.

honestly, i only made this blog out of fear that DiP would see traffic on statcounter to the post i was given and delete it before discourseprincesalies could get a record of it...thankfully, they also got it (whether it's because DiP got @'d and couldn't delete it without suspicion or not, i'm still not sure), so there's not much need to link it here, though you're welcome to use the /archive to find it easier.

but i guess i wanted this to be my last post because it's important to me that these be accessible. one of the biggest problems still happening to this day is that people who ardently defended DiP continue to believe her lies about what our blogs contained.

mine, as explained above, was only to make sure that one post where she stated she was afab didn't get deleted without documentation. and while i haven't spoken to them directly about it, i want people to look at discourseprincesalies, like actually look at what's there, and realize all they were trying to do was document her lies. they didn't ~spend hours analyzing her genitals~, they weren't doing anything ~nasty~ or ~gross~ or even ~invasive~ as DiP lied about them over and over. all they did was screenshot multiple posts that DiP freely and publicly made on her blog that said mutually exclusive things. iirc, it even started because of her claims about ethnicity, not her gender or genitals or intersex status.

on that note, i really just want everyone to be a bit more wary of people's claims. by that, i do NOT mean "question every twoc," which...i fucking can't believe i have to say, but y'all are so determined to think that's what we mean, i can't skip that disclaimer.

what i mean is:

- if your gut is telling you something seems off, listen to it. if you don't have a lot of instinct in that area, then try "listening" to people who avoided her. notice if they're avoiding someone; there's probably a reason. - if someone says "here are receipts that your friend has been lying," actually look at them and evaluate them for yourself instead of looking to your friend to confirm or deny them. - consider that sockpuppeting, both positive and negative, is a time honored tradition for frauds (look up "the msscribes story") and on this site, that can include sending themselves anons, both negative and positive as well. while not documented on either blog, it was quite clear to me that a good portion of her anons were ones she sent herself. - keep in mind that DiP had sockpuppets saying they knew her irl, so two people saying they know each other irl is not a good way to verify that people are who they say they are. - and above all else? remember that DiP is smarter now. there's been a handful of blog posts talking about how she lied in the "wrong" ways and how that made her easier to spot. she could very well use that information to craft a better story with less holes to poke.

to the people still defending her:

- consider why you want to continue her bad behavior through your own words and actions. - consider that she'd still be here lying if it wasn't for those of us putting pressure on her. - consider why discourseprincesalies and i had to make sideblogs. - consider why women of color and trans women and intersex people tended towards vaguing or not touching the topic with a 10 foot pole til she was gone. - consider why you are so desperate to protect a white cis girl who bullied anyone who disagreed with her (even when she was flat out wrong) and not only hurt your friends by manipulating them, but also hurt women of color, trans women, intersex people, and anyone whose identities intersect on those axis. - consider why you'd prefer a racist, transmisogynistic, intersexist white girl lying to you about nearly everything over dealing with the fact that you did not "take out the trash promptly," like so many of you claim us exclusionists do better than the other side.

good luck out there. may DiP never come back to tumblr, but if she does, please be ready,

[lemon-bunny]

Like, ppl outside the discourse do this all the time. They pretend to be black, they pretend to be trans, they pretend to be intersex, and whole fuck ton of other things so they can speak on issues they shouldn't be speaking on but we don't tell people to ask everyone on tumblr who claims to be intersex invasive questions abt their genitals!! Or every black user to post selfies to prove they're black! That's ridiculous and it shouldn't be different for discourse

literally what do cishet inclusionists want from us!!!! to blame ourselves for being lied to and manipulated by her!! or act as if the people she called out for being racist or homophobic are suddenly the victims who did no wrong!!! or force every discourser to fill out a form with their most personal and private information, pictures included, before speaking on any issues!!! what. do. they. want.

[letmedeletethisblogpls]

#sorry for the rant just wtf!! imagine if we hounded her about personal info#and she turned out to actually be a jewish intersex trans woman of color like we’d Never Hear The End Of It 

I mean we had evidence of her being a liar for Months before she started claiming to be intersex (Which werent even consistent or possible to all have at once) and then she was like, very, VERY obviously lying about being a trans woman and scrubbed her blog of her talking about being dfab, some of the posts weren’t even a week before she claimed to be physically intersex not just chemically

and when she claimed to be chemically intersex she claimed to have CAIS, which was deleted as soon as she realized CAIS completely prevents you from processing androgens and would mean she was AFAB and lived as a woman literally her entire life making it impossible to claim she was a trans woman (while it could have been a labeling mistake but deleting it and not addressing it is highly suspicious when she went on to claim other things)

My point is we need to be critical of those on our own side, and the fact that someone who was so obviously lying wasn’t questioned and was so fiercely defended, even in spite of evidence, is extremely scary to me

and while i get people are upset that they were manipulated by her, y’all aren’t victims, the people she lied about sharing experience with to speak over are, the people she manipulated everyone into attacking for calling her out on appropriating their experiences are

[lemon-bunny]

literally ALL the evidence was circumstantial and even when you all thought you caught her in a lie, she had some convincing story to back it up. 

dyadic people do not have the authority to harass intersex people about their medical history and make entire fucking “callout” blogs full of circumstantial evidence about their genitalia. 

and IT’S NOT OBVIOUS SHE WAS LYING. NOT TO EVERYONE!! the discourse is full of young, impressionable, and gullible people. and you don’t even have to be young, impressionable, or gullible to like….. trust and respect someone who says they’re intersex/trans!! you seriously expected us to see lgbtkhaleesi’s cis dyadic ass as The Voice Of Reason on trans and intersex issues… and you really expected us to support a blog that was obsessively analyzing a supposed intersex/trans person’s genitalia? 

the people she “attacked” said problematic, usually bigoted things. and the only person i know of who had ANY authority calling discourseprincesa out was intersex-ionality…. but they’re a fucking pedophile!! an adult who’s main blog is for shipping incest, abuse, and age gaps!! why the fuck would we listen to them let alone support them in trying to discredit someone who actually could have been an intersex trans woman!! 

you really expected us to trust a) an intersexist cis girl who got all her Trans Info from her truscum boyfriend b) a blog that obsessively analyzed a supposed intersex trans person’s genitalia + AGAB and c) a pedophile

[letmedeletethisblogpls]

lgbtkhaleesi wasn’t the one who was ‘Exposing’ her it was receipt blogs that compiled evidence of her lying from her own blog, where she told several different life stories that could not have been possible, and her lies about being intersex were physically impossible, pointing that out isn’t invasive

like y’all didnt even fucking bother to look at them and thats the problem!!! i really do hope from here on out y’all will actually be critical of fellow discoursers and create an environment where its safe to ask someone why their posts are contradictory

and im not even gonna touch on the transmisogyny of all this like lmao y’all really thought someone who openly admitted to living her whole life as a woman could be a trans woman, she started lying about being amab she said she didnt even Know, meaning she’d lived her entire life as a woman, so even if she wasn’t lying about anything she said, she couldn’t have been a trans woman

[discourseprincesalies]

I did not harass her about her medical history. I didn’t interact with her! I screencapped things she said publicly that didn’t line up with each other! Stop saying I harassed her; stop repeating the lie she spread about me!

And the idea that it’s about “should I support this source? it’s Problematic” and not about whether the source is saying something true or false is one of the big problems here, and one of the reasons she got away with what she did! “OP is problematic, therefore what they’re saying is false” is an ad hominem. If I claim something, I’m not expecting you to blindly trust me, the way she was. I provided sources, evidence, things you could actually evaluate for themselves instead of just dismissing me as being Problematic, and all I wanted was for people to do that! I don’t care if you support me as a person!

Also, I love how people are all saying that lgbtkhaleesi is dyadic and has no right to speak on intersex issues, when she has PCOS and people in the discourse all count PCOS as an intersex condition and a lot of them claim the right to speak on intersex issues because they have it. Funny how it only counts for people you agree with.

(I bet you’re going to take that as meaning I support the truscum ideas she learned from her boyfriend; I don’t. And that I have to give this disclaimer, because everything is about Who You Support and whether they’re Good or Bad, sickens me!)

[discourseprincesalies]

I’m going to say one last thing, and then I think this blog will go silent.

If you look at who is calling the exposure of discourseprincesa “creepy” and “invasive” and “harassment” and “racist” and “transphobic” and “intersexist” - it is, almost exclusively as far as I can see, people who are both white and not subject to transmisogyny.

If you look at what people of color and transfeminine people are saying, almost every single person I have seen in those demographics who’s commented on the situation has been unconflictedly glad she was exposed, and has not objected to the methods used to do it.

I want everyone to stop and think about why that is.

[problematicdragonagecharacter]

its really telling to me how most peoples priorities are that they feel sad, that they lost a valuable friend or someone they looked up to, that people who “rub it in their face” are evil, that the blog who exposed them was creepy, yadda yadda

but not that there was, among their friends, a white non-intersex cis gentile who pretended to be a jewish trans intersex afrolatina, who said the n word every other post, and used her made-up identities to harass people (because thats what she constantly did, harassed people, i dont remember her making any point that wasnt a repetition of what others said, she just said “yikes” occasionally and harassed people)

thats not the priority

[redandfranticfeelings]

we should also make it clear that while discourseprincesa was lying after all, it is creepy to make entire blogs about finding out somebody’s birth gender. you can pull up posts of theirs that contradict them and confront them about it, but discourseprincesalies was still invasive as a concept and nobody should try to follow their example if they get suspicious of other discoursers.

[acephobiafreediscourse]

i want to emphasise again how fucking creepy that shit was. like, they literally sifted through her blogs (INCLUDING her main, which she didn’t give out! for! a! reason!) for mentions of genitalia. i don’t give a single shit that they turned out to be right that’s still a disgusting thing to do.

[problematicdragonagecharacter]

“which she didn’t give out! for! a! reason!”

yeah, the reason was that she was lying lol

idk why youre so preoccupied in demonizing the person who exposed her rather than, idk, focusing on the fact that dip lied to everyone and was an afab non-intersex white gentile who said the n word constantly and yelled at trans women and jewish people. i thought that would have been the big deal in the whole situation but apparently not, you guys seem so bummed she was exposed i feel like you wish she hadnt been

[acephobiafreediscourse]

its fucking disgusting but so is dedicating hours to trying to construct a picture of someones genitals. fuck off

[discourseprincesareceipts]

who was doing that? i didn't do that. discourseprincesalies didn't do that. we both posted statements discourseprincesa said on her PUBLIC blog (in most cases, without prompting from any outside source) that conflicted. like could you please actually look at discourseprincesalies blog instead of saying the same shit discourseprincesa said to discourage people from looking at the receipts they had?

i get that y'all feel bad about supporting a white cis dyadic girl who spoke over poc, intersex people, and trans women, but the whole "it's nasty to take screenshots of someone's public statements on their public blog that they made without prompting" is getting really fucking old.

[lemon-bunny]

Like, ppl outside the discourse do this all the time. They pretend to be black, they pretend to be trans, they pretend to be intersex, and whole fuck ton of other things so they can speak on issues they shouldn't be speaking on but we don't tell people to ask everyone on tumblr who claims to be intersex invasive questions abt their genitals!! Or every black user to post selfies to prove they're black! That's ridiculous and it shouldn't be different for discourse

literally what do cishet inclusionists want from us!!!! to blame ourselves for being lied to and manipulated by her!! or act as if the people she called out for being racist or homophobic are suddenly the victims who did no wrong!!! or force every discourser to fill out a form with their most personal and private information, pictures included, before speaking on any issues!!! what. do. they. want.

[letmedeletethisblogpls]

#sorry for the rant just wtf!! imagine if we hounded her about personal info#and she turned out to actually be a jewish intersex trans woman of color like we’d Never Hear The End Of It 

I mean we had evidence of her being a liar for Months before she started claiming to be intersex (Which werent even consistent or possible to all have at once) and then she was like, very, VERY obviously lying about being a trans woman and scrubbed her blog of her talking about being dfab, some of the posts weren’t even a week before she claimed to be physically intersex not just chemically

and when she claimed to be chemically intersex she claimed to have CAIS, which was deleted as soon as she realized CAIS completely prevents you from processing androgens and would mean she was AFAB and lived as a woman literally her entire life making it impossible to claim she was a trans woman (while it could have been a labeling mistake but deleting it and not addressing it is highly suspicious when she went on to claim other things)

My point is we need to be critical of those on our own side, and the fact that someone who was so obviously lying wasn’t questioned and was so fiercely defended, even in spite of evidence, is extremely scary to me

and while i get people are upset that they were manipulated by her, y’all aren’t victims, the people she lied about sharing experience with to speak over are, the people she manipulated everyone into attacking for calling her out on appropriating their experiences are

[meshugenist]

making a blog to point out discrepancies and contradictions in shit that someone publicly said on their public discourse blog (aka them fucking lying) isn’t exactly “invasive”

i saw someone compare what happened there to when a group of truscum tried to “prove” someone wasn’t a trans woman by dissecting images of them and passing around their nudes to “investigate” their genitalia and like that really is not similar in any way to this, especially when none of the people defending the person in the current situation were trans women themselves

there’s a big fuckin difference between people passing around nudes of trans women and acting like they can’t pass or they’re lying, and people pointing out that someone claiming that they could become a trans woman in ex post facto despite being raised for their entire life as a girl and saying things like “i’m intersex so i’m between cis and trans” was hugely suspect

what i did see was dp and a lot of other non-trans women make a space where trans women (and just anyone in general honestly) could not speak up and point out this kind of thing without fear of being dogpiled for it, so maybe that’s a bit more important to talk about than whether pointing out someone lying and being generally manipulative on the internet is “invasive”

[dogsanddiscourse]

Okay, but the idea of calling out Discourseprincesa on your own blog was horrifying. She had tons of followers and power, and had trackers so even if you wanted to do it anonymously she had god knows how much info on you. She had tons of supporters that would go after you, and some of them may of even been your own friends (if you were exclusionist)

So like… once again: stop blaming mentally ill/trans people/minors (esp ones with small platforms) for not calling somebody out that was legitimately terrifying

[discourseprincesalies]

This is why I searched her blog using Tor. It’ll make your IP show up as a fake one, as well as change the IP that shows up every ten minutes or so.

In case she or someone like her shows up again, it’s a good thing to know about.

[discourseprincesareceipts]

while i don’t rec tor for a variety of reasons, i do encourage people to install the ghostery extension for chrome or their privacy browser for mobile and block most of what it recommends. i think i had to un-click a few tumblr specific ones to get the reblog button back on chrome; mobile’s more tricky, i haven’t found where to change block settings, but you can go on someone’s blog with a stat counter and block it that way. it blocks most of the common stat counters that people use on tumblr, meaning your ip won’t show up at all unless they’re actually more tech savvy than that (hint: most people are not).

[discourseprincesareceipts]

additionally, while not a minor, i'm trans and mentally ill, and yeah, even after creating a side blog, it wasn't a fucking cake walk, but please stop acting like it was impossible to take a stand? i watched multiple bloggers, whom i have a hell of a lot more respect for now, not reblog stuff from her or defenses of her. did i worry about what i'd say if people asked me why i wasn't reblogging that stuff? heck yeah, but that doesn't mean i gave in and started defending her when my gut said something was off.

i fully understand why most people didn't say anything, but i really wish everyone would stop making excuses about it. it doesn't help the mixed poc hurt by her actions. it doesn't help the intersex people hurt by her actions. it doesn't help trans women hurt by her actions. all it does is set the stage for her or someone like her to come in and do this all over again. that's not acceptable to me and it shouldn't be acceptable to you either.

[dogsanddiscourse]

Okay, but the idea of calling out Discourseprincesa on your own blog was horrifying. She had tons of followers and power, and had trackers so even if you wanted to do it anonymously she had god knows how much info on you. She had tons of supporters that would go after you, and some of them may of even been your own friends (if you were exclusionist)

So like… once again: stop blaming mentally ill/trans people/minors (esp ones with small platforms) for not calling somebody out that was legitimately terrifying

[discourseprincesalies]

This is why I searched her blog using Tor. It’ll make your IP show up as a fake one, as well as change the IP that shows up every ten minutes or so.

In case she or someone like her shows up again, it’s a good thing to know about.

[discourseprincesareceipts]

while i don't rec tor for a variety of reasons, i do encourage people to install the ghostery extension for chrome or their privacy browser for mobile and block most of what it recommends. i think i had to un-click a few tumblr specific ones to get the reblog button back on chrome; mobile's more tricky, i haven't found where to change block settings, but you can go on someone's blog with a stat counter and block it that way. it blocks most of the common stat counters that people use on tumblr, meaning your ip won't show up at all unless they're actually more tech savvy than that (hint: most people are not).

[furryanarchist-blog]

super! fun! idea! discourseprincesa was an awful person with a huge following base! and ill b straight up with u! im too much of a coward to go against someone like that! and if u brought valid criticism to her shed call u racist or lump u in with truscum she argued against!

im grateful ppl called her out but! if the only way u did that was question a supposedly intersex trans persons genitals!

im! not! gonna! support! that!

im glad she got exposed! im not glad that now other ppl are questioning other exclusionists agab because of it! please stop! its terrible! she was terrible! the methods of exposing her was terrible! dont!!

[discourseprincesalies]

Who is actually questioning other exclusionists about their AGAB? Is this something that’s actually happening, or is it a straw man? Please provide a source if you’re going to make that claim.

And no, I’m not sorry for what I did, and I’m not going to avoid doing this again if a liar like discourseprincesa (or discourseprincesa reappearing, under another username) starts claiming contradictory and impossible things.

If someone else starts claiming, at different times, that they have several different intersex conditions that cannot occur together, and they also say they have a condition that is physically impossible and comes straight out of h*rmaphrodite porn, I’m going to call that out and I want anyone else who understands why that is impossible to call that out too, if they are able.

Other people who knew about the biology of intersex conditions have posted (here and here) about why she couldn’t have been telling the truth. I want people to read those posts, do some research, and learn and understand how some of us recognized she could not, logically, have been telling the truth, so that you are less vulnerable to liars like her in the future.

[discourseprincesareceipts]

seriously, i'm so tired of this straw man. repeating discourseprincesa's lies about me and the above blog don't make them any more true than when she first said them. take a moment and go through both our blogs; if you can find a source where either of us asked her about her genitals, i'll eat my damn shoe.

all either of us did was point out that she was making contradictory claims. when you continue to repeat her lies about what we did, you're doing yourself a disservice and allowing her to still influence you.

[flarebossmalva]

you know… i gotta trust my gut more often because i had the Feel that something was not quite right about what discourseprincesa was saying re: her intersex condition. i definitely remember her at one point claiming to be AFAB but with some “AMAB traits” that complicated her status under transmisogyny, and i figured she had 5-ARD or something similar (that’s where a child has XY chromosomes, presents “female” at birth, then goes through a “male” puberty). it’s a really rare condition, but it’s totally possible. then she mentioned having a uterus and vagina at some point and that blew my theory out of the water because people with 5-ARD don’t have uteruses. so i thought maybe she had PMDS, which is a condition where an AMAB child with XY chromosomes has a uterus, fallopian tubes, &/or the upper part of a vagina (this is caused by lack of a particular hormone in utero). but if she had PMDS she wouldn’t have been claiming to be AFAB because children with PMDS are invariably assigned male… then she was saying shit about having internal characteristics of “both male and female bodies” and then i really started goin nuts trying to figure out what the hell condition she was referring to because here’s the thing about intersex humans: no one has “both sets of sex organs” That Just Does Not Happen. the closest thing to that is having both ovarian and testicular tissue but that only happens when the gonads are completely nonfunctioning and fail to develop properly resulting in the child not going through any puberty at all and, by the way, every child with this condition is AFAB because human bodies default to “female” in the absence of certain hormones so her claim of being a trans woman with both “male” and “female” anatomy made no sense and made it sound like she didn’t know shit about intersex conditions and was makin the whole thing up but i gave her the benefit of the doubt and Clearly I Should Not Have. anyway moral of the story research is really easy to do in the digital age there is zero excuse for not knowing basic shit about conditions you claim to be having and if you’re going to fake a condition for oppression points at least keep ya story straight Gotdamn

[stephenbyerley]

ok so wrt the whole discourseprincesa thing…….when this #Drama started with people accusing her of faking a whole list of things my thought process was pretty much ‘alright, this is an unlikely combination of stuff to have happened with her ancestry particularly her sperm donor being born in the 30s when shes in her 20s but that in and of itself is proof of nothing and stranger things have happened plus all the evidence is pretty circumstantial’

but then when she started talking about her supposed intersex condition and claimed to have both sets of gonads as well as both sets of genitalia???? that just straight up sounds like some shit from h*rmaphrodite porn. like it read like a fetishistic fantasy of what an intersex persons body is. it was ridiculous

ultimately if she had tried a BIT harder to keep her story straight and did even a cursory google search to make her story about her birth assignment/sex characteristics like. remotely within the realm of possibility. if she had done that she probably would never have been caught out for anything. its fucking weird to think about

[guppykin]

and another thing: all the people who didn’t support discourseprincesa who are being smug now because they were “right”…  last time i checked your arguments against her were based on questionable views about which kinds of intersex people can truly be trans and what you thought her AGAB was. her downfall came about because it was revealed she was never intersex or trans at all, not because your creepy arguments and views about intersex trans people were somehow proven to be correct….. dare i say you were never right at all?

[problematicdragonagecharacter]

this post is awful. 

do you really think that there’s no way the reason people started collecting receipts and analysing what dip was saying was because people noticed things just don’t fucking add up and that she stretched the definition of trans womanhood to fit into her ever changing story, and that it was just someone having a blind grudge who just happened to be right? that you automatically assume that’s how all people do it seems to me like a you problem. 

do you think it’s bad that dip was exposed? how do you think it would have happened if not by, you know, people starting to question what she was saying and being suspicious of her behavior? do you think that because it’s apparently ~creepy~ to dare to question someone when many intersex people came forward to say her story didn’t add up and her condition wasn’t possible, and Jewish people said her story didn’t add up, she should have just been allowed to keep lying? what logic is that where if a lie is serious enough it’s not Proper to want to expose it? if not for her main blog eventually leaking through an accident, people would still believe her. is that a good thing? is it a good thing that people were tricked because the strongest voices from your community was that questioning Anything she says is wrong and creepy? 

do you think we are in the wrong, rather than a white dyadic woman who lied about everything she is, whom for some reason you still treat as though she was an intersex trans woman whose boundaries were overstepped, because you assume we’d be okay with that (hint: no)? are you really that okay with a white girl who said the n word, lied about being Jewish, called people of colour ugly, wished death on trans women, and inserted herself into conversations she never belonged in? do you really think it’s a minor thing? ‘dare I say you were never right at all’ yes we were. sorry! you didn’t notice red flags from her but some people did, stop treating them as creep weirdoes for seeing through her bullshit earlier and blaming them for something that she did! there were signs of her lying before. her cult of personality (which as it turns out were mostly her sockpuppets lol) and her abusive, emotionally manipulative personality prevented people from addressing that, but they were there! 

you were tricked into believing her but some people noticed the red flags before and it doesn’t make them evil! stop defending her as if the persona she created was a real person! she was always a white non-intersex girl! some people simply saw through that earlier! stop repeating the exact things she said to manipulate others and cover her lies, and stop defending her! i expected better from exclusionists, but everyone’s being absolutely terrible and self-centered about this. no one says you have to blame yourselves or be stupidly suspicious of oppressed people but learn from this, admit that what happened was messed up, and remove her influence from your groups!

[discourseprincesalies]

What “creepy arguments about intersex trans people”?

It’s not creepy at all to point out that someone can’t have several different mutually exclusive intersex conditions at the same time, that someone can’t have an intersex condition that’s biologically impossible and is a gross porn fetish, and that someone can’t Suddenly Discover that they were made Trans at 2! Those lies themselves are creepy and disgusting, and they spread creepy and disgusting ideas about trans and intersex people!

If you believed her lie that someone could suddenly discover they were a trans woman when they thought they were an AFAB woman… you’re arguing that an intersex person who was forcibly assigned female as a baby, who then realizes they’re a man, is not actually a trans man but is actually a cis man. That’s transphobic and intersexist.

“Questionable views about what we thought her AGAB was” - she said it herself and then deleted it when she changed her story. We were right about this after all, and you’re being dishonest to say we were not.

Stop it. I’d thought better of you.

[lovethatdiscourse]

And people being like “This makes me so afraid that other people I respect could be lying”.

But you were the people shouting down transfems and our defenders because dip impersonated a trans woman. Think about why it’s so easy for people to impersonate trans women and why all of you were so eager to defend that part of her fake identity in particular. 

“Well we’re not trans women so we knew it wasn’t our place”, and yet you called the people sticking up for trans women (and explicitly mentioning that as their goal) “disgusting transphobes” and “speaking over trans people”, so even though the evidence was available and abundant something made you transmisogyny exempt people pick the more convenient path of defending a cis woman from people who were interested in being explicit allies to transfeminine people.

Huh.

[discourseful]

so I’ve been filled in on what happened with discourseprincesa and like.

I’m glad she was exposed as being a liar. I am. but this does not excuse the fact that someone (backed by plenty of other people) created a blog just for the purpose of invasively trying to investigate someone’s assigned gender. A being found out to be a liar does not justify this creepy, transphobic, and intersexist behavior. shit like this shouldn’t continue to happen, regardless of which side someone is on.

also lgbtkhaleesi is still a transphobe lmao. she’s repeatedly talked over trans people, claimed “[she herself] knows [she] isn’t transphobic”, and refuses to listen to trans people who call her out on her bullshit. A might have been lying piece of shit but khaleesi’s still a transphobe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[lovethatdiscourse]

Those receipts blogs and lgbtkhaleesi stood up for trans women when literally none of you would. Should she have stepped aside and let transfems handle the situation? Probably, but as all of you demonstrated, anyone who stood up to dip was jumped on by her followers.

I was told about her lies and shown the evidence, but I knew it wasn’t safe for me to speak up against her. So lgbtkhaleesi and those receipts blogs did me a big favor personally (though not at my direction) by tearing holes in her fake as fuck arguments.

I really don’t appreciate this callous attempt to shift blame to the people trying to expose dip as the liar she was. And you don’t seem to have a problem with these people trying to expose her lies about her race and ethnicity. But her status as a trans woman (including her contradictory claims about her birth assignment) is too far? 

(Those blogs were created to document all instances of dip lying, not just in terms of birth assignment. Characterizing them as entirely dedicated to finding out her real genitals is flat wrong).

Believe me I have seen on this hellsite just how far people will go to get transfeminine people to give uncomfortable details about our genitals to “prove” we are who we say we are. I don’t know if you’ve seen some of the stuff that goes down. But it often includes doxxing campaigns, trying to find out their info from medical providers, blackmailing them, harassing them to show their genitals, creating entire forums about them on 4chan and other reactionary sites where they gossip about these women all day, actually harassing them and their loved ones in real life, faking suicide attempts to stir up outrage against them… and so much more. This was nothing like any of those situations.

This was people collecting contradictory posts and other people commenting on her contradictory claims. The whole thing was conducted pretty civilly, and the level of “invasion of privacy” that happened was documenting posts that don’t add up. 

[discourseprincesareceipts]

hilarious when people constantly cry about how inclusionists reply and block you, but y'all okay with @'ing people you've blocked. cute. anyway, i sure fucking will trust someone who spoke up over some fake ass ally who constantly defended a white cis dyadic girl play acting as a native/jewish/black intersex trans woman and kissed her ass so much i'm still not sure you're not one of DiP's socks like you can talk a big game about us ~nasties~ for "exposing" her, but be honest with yourself: if she hadn't deleted and instead, stuck around and lied out her ass again, you would have made excuses and defended her just as vigorously as you did when confronted with evidence she'd literally said she was afab you're fake as fuck

[redandfranticfeelings]

we should also make it clear that while discourseprincesa was lying after all, it is creepy to make entire blogs about finding out somebody’s birth gender. you can pull up posts of theirs that contradict them and confront them about it, but discourseprincesalies was still invasive as a concept and nobody should try to follow their example if they get suspicious of other discoursers.

[discourseprincesareceipts]

how, exactly, do you suggest dealing with something like this next time? because i did find and pull up a post that conflicted with her narrative that she'd managed to miss when she scrubbed her blog of her agab and confronted DiP with it and all i got was 1) a lot of shit for my trouble and 2) DiP just changed her story and lied more in response.

also y'all shit all over discourseprincesalies and lgbtkhaleesi and still do to this fucking day, but they were the ONLY ONES talking directly about her actually lying and without the former, DiP would still be on here lying about being a jewish/black/native intersex trans woman so that she could speak over oppressed people she disagreed with.

i'm afab trans, but i consider both blogs to be decent allies; lgbtkhaleesi def made some bad steps along the way, but i appreciate her putting her neck out for trans women when it wasn't easy. i don't trust the people still shitting on her, especially since i thought a couple of them were DiP socks...and even tho she deleted, i'm still not entirely convinced DiP doesn't have a second account with socks.

so please, explain to me what we should do next time someone starts saying suspiciously conflicting things and deleting posts that could be used as evidence. because i'm really fucking curious about what you think would be respectful AND effective because what you suggest in this post wasn't effective at all lmao.