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Marcia Lucas said what needed to be said.
This Maria Lucas (RIP) tribute by Matt Zoller Seitz reminds me of the many reasons behind my old silent Star Wars ragequits quite well:
An ode to the late ex-wife of George Lucas, whose editing and instincts made Star Wars the legend it became.
"Mark Hamill told Film Freak Central, “I know for a fact that Marcia Lucas was responsible for convincing him to keep that little ‘kiss for luck’ before Carrie [Fisher] and I swing across the chasm in [‘Star Wars’].” He said, “’Oh, I don’t like it—people laugh in the previews,’ and she said, ‘George, they’re laughing because it’s so sweet and unexpected.’” She also convinced him to keep the brief bit inside the Death Star when Chewbacca roars at a mouse droid and makes it skitter away in terror, a foolproof laugh-getter that the director had initially deleted because he worried it was too silly.
Although Lucas diminished her “Jedi” contributions by telling a journalist that she mainly worked on “the crying and dying” scenes, Marcia wasn’t just good at the stereotypical “girl stuff.” As a film editor, she was a total package, equally adept at every part of the job. And she had an unerring sense of when to cut out of one storyline and into another, which came in handy on all three of the original “Star Wars” movies ...
... After seeing the first “Star Wars” prequel, “The Phantom Menace,” she cried, not because she was moved, but because she thought it was awful."
can you please explain eiko as a character
Yes, Eiko is a character from the Catwoman comics that was introduced in the New 52 Catwoman #35 during Genevieve Valentine’s run, she’s the daughter of Tatsou Hasigawa, head of the Gotham City Hasigawa Yakuza crime family.
We see her origin story told mostly in Catwoman (2014) Annual #2, her family is cut throat, and being a part of it means revealing as little as she can so that nothing can be used against her.
Eiko’s destiny was to inherit her father’s position in the family, until she met Catwoman, who thwarted a deal Eiko was overseeing at the docks. After this failure, her father assigns her to hunt down the Catwoman. She enlists the help of her cousin, Ken, who her father often uses to play against her to make them fight for his legacy but Ken had fallen out of favor.
Eiko spots Batman and Catwoman on the rooftops and then watches them dive into the streets when someone called for help. She follows Catwoman to the rooftops after the fight,
reporting back to her father, he’s very unhappy she took risks in this way, and punishes her through her cousin, Ken.
Another thing about Eiko, she has an unfinished tattoo, as she had begun to doubt her willingness to send Ken into danger or prison if it came to it, because of this unsureness, she has left it incomplete, representative of her incomplete loyalty, another sore subject between her and her father
Eiko begins to notice the correlation between Catwoman’s disappearance and Selina Kyle’s rise as head of the Calabrese family, but she can’t understand why she would stop being Catwoman.
In her absence, Eiko decides to take up the mantel, partly out of fascination, but also to try and undo some of the bad her father and family do. One of her first acts is to warn a member of the Forster Lane family that the Hasigawas intended to take over their territory, ensuring that the rival family would ally themselves with Selina’s Calabrese house.
Along the way, Eiko also begins to develop a kind of parasocial relationship with Selina, who she continues to follow around.
Eiko also gets a warning from Batman
But unfortunately this advice would come to late, Eiko’s father eliminates Ken to keep her in line, and informs Eiko she must meet Selina Kyle
Eiko and Selina officially meet in Catwoman #35
And then in #36 Selina figures out the identity of her copy cat, she hadn’t missed Eiko stalking her
As things progress, Eiko becomes more and more disturbed by her father’s actions, especially when he allies the Hasigawas with Black Mask. Eiko uses her father’s order to “get close to Selina” to her advantage, building some mutual “trust”
Things escalate further when Selina is forced to have her cousin taken out for being outed as a mole in the Calabrese family. Eiko isn’t happy with this. No one is, really. (Yes this is out of character for Selina but so is running a crime family so)
Something I can always enjoy from this run is the use of quotes from powerful (usually female) figures that Selina is channeling. As Selina had very little experience with positive role model, and obviously loves art, it makes so much sense! Also fits w my history buff Selina agenda. Anyway, this doesn’t rlly have anything to do with Eiko but I just want to appreciate the use of the Queen Elizabeth I quote from one of her letters to James I of Scotland on the matter of his mother (Mary Queen of Sotts) execution
“You may see whether I keep the serpent that poisons me when they confess to have reward. By saving of her life, they would have had mine. Do I not make myself, trow ye, a goodly prey for every wretch to devour?”
Used in Catwoman (2015) #38
The death of Nick Calabrese also parallels Eiko losing her cousin, Ken to her own crime family. Selina makes a deal with the Hasigawas, accepting a shipment of heroin into Gotham, which both Batman and Eiko area little pissed about, but Selina uses the opportunity as a set up and gets several of Hasigawas men sent to jail. This escalates things to full on war with Sionis and the Hasigawas vs Selina and the Calabrese family.
There is a public assassination attempt on Selina, and it becomes clear that she is in way too deep. Eiko comes to speak with her again, and Selina asks if she knew about the attempt on her life
Selina allows Eiko to leave, clearly revealing the softness she has for her. After finding out from her father that he believes Selina got Sionis put in jail, Eiko returns to Selina with her Catwoman suit and a desperate warning
After this, the next time they meet, Selina firmly tells Eiko to stop being Catwoman. Selina is planning and preparing to take on her enemies, and will return to her identity. Eiko begs Selina to let her help, but Selina doesn’t budge
“Be my enemy, and live”
Selina was seriously suicidal for so much of the new 52 like I’m not kidding she tried to walk into traffic ☹️
It gets worse!
After the events of Batman (2011) #40, Bruce would have amnesia for a while and was assumed dead by many. This is during the time where Jim Gordon becomes Batman for awhile, and as you might guess, this news was the last thing Selina needed
I’d like to make a part two to this post since I’ve run out of panel space on this one but, Eiko and Selina’s relationship is truly one of the best things to come out of the trashfire of New 52 Catwoman, and also no I’m not gonna cover her reappearance in Tini’s run bc it’s truly not worth discussing anyway. I love the way Genevieve wrote this dynamic. I wish Eiko was brought back sooner after the wedding flop and used by Ram V, Eiko and Selina training some of the Allytown kids together would have been cool.
I like seeing some of you ""regulars"" in my notes it's like oh hey that's my Coworker from Tumblr
We need more media about women who are tortured by their dark delinquent pasts and trying to earn redemption they know they can never deserve like I think it would fix me. And also they should have girlfriends.
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there is no discourse between gen z and millenials. we are siblings. come on lil bro, ill take you to amc. yeah we can go there early and play the arcade games before the movie starts.
Can we get popcorn and a drink to share :)
we sure can buddy, we sure can
Why do the two reblogs read like a soldier dying in their friends arms and talking about when they’ll get back home to give them a bit of comfort before they die
because have you seen the economy and society lately
I don't know if it's just me being in small fandoms, but fandom as a whole feels...really lonely as of late. People have split themselves up so much that they don't discuss things the way they did before, they just kind of post their stuff and leave and half their audience "consumes" it like "content". There's no comments, barely kudos, the only places fans talk with each other anymore are on private discord servers that no one ever finds out about...I don't know, I'm a bit of an old and I feel like I'm screaming out into the void for no reason at this point. Sure, "somebody" will like my stuff, but will I ever get to know about it?
I think about this kind of thing a lot, anon, and I think my generation (Gen X/xillennial) kind of did folks dirty a bit.
In our defense, we didn't know we were.
I'm an educator by profession, as well as on this hobby blog, and so I spend a lot of time thinking about how people learn things. A lot of learning is social, and a lot of it happens when parents teach their children.
When I was growing up, pre-internet, my parents taught me how to talk to other adults in our community, how to play with other children, how to order food in a restaurant, how to call a business and ask a question. They literally walked me through how to do all of that stuff and more because those were daily skills in the world at that time.
We've spent the last 20+ years talking about how kids today are "digital natives" - but have we spent enough time teaching kids how to keep a conversation going when you're not in the same room as the other person? How to leave a comment on a post by a person you don't know? How to show your appreciation to a content creator? What a content creator even is and how that differs from a fan creator?
I know there are a lot of jokes out there about different things that would kill a Victorian child, but I think what would actually be difficult for them would be the lack of rules and instructions that kids today receive from the adults in their lives.
I don't have kids myself, so maybe this is all just bullshit and I'm talking directly out of my ass. But a LOT of the time when I notice someone doing something 'wrong' it's because no one ever told them how to do it right.
I kind of suspect that might be part of what's happening in fandom these days. Combine the above with the fact that fandom got inundated with new members in 2020 during quarantine and lock downs, and it's not surprising to me that a large percentage of the people in fandom today don't approach things the way that we used to before.
i don't fault them for it. When fandom was smaller and the internet was new, we used to take the time to bring people in. But now, it feels like 'everyone knows XYZ' so why does it need to be taught? And with how fast things move, it's more rare for newcomers to lurk for a while before they dive into everything.
This is a very long answer to a problem that probably just needed a listening ear, but I hope what you take away from this is an understanding that you're not the only one who feels the difference. I see this same experience shared in the notes on my posts all the time.
There is no easy fix for the situation and it certainly won't be fast to change, but maybe if we mentor a bit more when we have the spoons to, we can shift the culture a bit? One fan at a time?
If you managed to get all the way to the end of this, do yourself a favour and leave a comment on a fic or reblog a post with some chatty tags. DM somemeone or tag them or send them an ask just to let them know you see them and you think they're cool.
Even if nothing happens as a result, you tried. And maybe you just made someone's day. 💗
Demographically, I have a fair amount in common with @ao3commentoftheday with the exception that I am a parent.
And my oldest child has entered online fandom.
Thankfully, my child and I don’t share fandoms (we both prefer it that way), but we did sit down to discuss how to maintain privacy and safety while also being friendly in online interactions. I taught my child about fandom red flags and green flags, from my experiences, and my child has since asked for my advice in terms of my child’s own fandom experiences and how to handle issues and concerns.
All that being said, I was surprised and confused when my child informed me that my child had not been leaving kudos or comments on AO3. Keep in mind, this child would read longfics for days, tell me how great the author’s writing captured the characters, etc.
“Why didn’t you kudos or comment if the fic was so good?” I asked.
While my child explained lack of ability to comment due to fic restrictions (my child has expressed not yet feeling ready to have an AO3 account even though my child is old enough and my husband and I would be fine with it), my child said kudos didn’t matter: “Who cares about one kudos?”
“The author cares. And, if the author for some reason doesn’t care, I know you care about doing the right thing. I think expressing appreciation for other people’s fanwork is the right thing to do. What do you think?”
My child went back and kudosed all stories read to that point.
But I’m just one parent. And it’s absolutely not the job of fandom to parent children. There’s an idea that the way we behave in real life is divorced from the way we behave online. There’s some merit to that in the form of maintaining privacy and boundaries online that might be different in person. When we’re talking about basic manners, though? Golden rule stuff? That’s what’s become lacking, and I hope it improves.
i do think that a lot of this is just the result of a lack of lurk moar attitude in fandom/the internet in general.
when i was a tween who first found fandom in the late 90s/early 2000s, people didn't explicitly teach me how to interact with fandom. i lurked for a solid year before i signed up for my own account on the forum i'd found. (i can still remember how the adrenaline coursed through me as i signed up for my own account--i felt tingy and more than a little ill!)
by that time, i had a very good sense of social norms there. i still made a few mistakes, and the more established members smacked me down in a matter-of-fact but not unkind way. but i'd learned by watching. hell, by the time i started actively participating, i knew all the inside jokes!
as op mentioned, i don't think that people lurk anymore, and my theory is that the rise of social media/web 2.0 created a different approach to web communities.
today, every site is presumed to be for every person. the entire point of the really big social media sites is that everyone is on them. (this is one of the things i hate about them btw because it results in context collapse. i do not want to talk to my third-grade teacher, my favorite cousin, complete strangers, and my fandom friends in the same voice, but that's another issue).
whereas in web 1.0, the internet was riddled with niche sites/communities. you had to go out and find your place (and sometimes it took a while!). once you found it, you were invested in becoming a part of that specific community, so you did the research (lurking) to find out how people interacted, what all the unspoken norms were. by the time you picked your handle and made your account, you just knew stuff.
i'm sure this was not true of everyone, but it was true of far more people at the time. people looked before they leapt.
there are many, many reasons that i think that fandom has suffered from the web 2.0 environment. the fact that creators/writers/actors and fans are all on the same sites using the same tags for general publicity and for fannish nonsense is a huge problem. the way that sites are so big that people feel that their contributions (as with kudos above) don't matter is a direct result of the way social media undermines community and makes everything a performance of whatever your late-capitalist brand is. the fast pace of those sites makes people think that interacting with older posts is a bad idea. the lack of filters of the kind that we had on livejournal where you could determine who saw what or even just the way that forums often made you join before you could see content created walls within which communities could grow (think frost and walls making good neighbors).
i know we can't go back to the assumptions that operated before social media. we have to explore other options. i love when people make psas here telling people about fandom norms and history! i think it's the best thing! and maybe at this point that is the only way to handle it.
tumblr and ao3 are very weird sites in that they straddle the web 1.0 and web 2.0 kinds of internet.
from web 1.0 they get the lack of algorithms, the way you have to make choices about what you see, chronological arrangements, and (on ao3) lack of ads, etc. tumblr has a slightly slower pace than most social media; ao3 has a much slower one.
from web 2.0, though, you get scale, centralization (which is both ao3's greatest strength and greatest weakness), and the fact that it takes little effort to locate these sites--anyone, no matter their level of investment in fandom, can just stumble on them.
so you end up having a lot of people who are not actually fannishly inclined (aren't invested in a gift economy, don't really understand that fandom is supposed to be fun, don't really get the creative urge etc.) interacting with people who are fannishly inclined, and it causes some really problems. especially with younger people whose experience of the internet is as a venue to signify and perform certain kinds of morality/coolness/trendiness that are at odds with what fandom has always been about. basically: you have a bunch of normies clashing with a bunch of nerds. (obviously the normie/nerd divide is a spectrum and not a binary, so i'm overstating, but still.)
when you have people who are coming to fandom from different angles--some people who are coming to it as a provider of content just like all other media in their lives, especially elsewhere online; some people who are coming to it as a participatory hobby wherein we build community around shared affection for [thing]--there's going to be lots of clashes and weirdness.
i kind of think that fans need to go back to create set-apart spaces for fandom to happen. note that i am NOT talking about gatekeeping. everyone who treats others with respect would be welcome. but just having fenced-off areas that are explicitly for certain kinds of fandom interactions. where we can basically have our party away from the normies, but other nerds who are younger or just getting in touch with their nerdiness can find us.
i'm not sure how we'd go about doing it. but i think smaller, more intimate internet spaces are really necessary for fandom to be enjoyable. for fandom to be fandom tbh.
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