Hot Takes And Unpopular Opinions

Any and all hot takes and unpopular opinions welcome! Do not harass me or the people submitting these, thank you.

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"People shouldn't be racist towards Lupita for the Helen casting" and "The most beautiful woman in a story about GREEK mythology should look greek" should be two things that exist at once (forgive me if this isn't unpopular? I would feel like it's common sense though I feel I often see people either being racist or disregarding the importance of Greek/Mediterranean people in Greek mythology, like no in between).

This should be common sense, yes. The in between I crave is the acknowledgment of the actual African characters or those of African decent as darker skinned.

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I'm sorry that some of the posts here are harassing you.

I’m alright no worries, but thank you, this is sweet. Just hope other anons don’t feel attacked, people can be unreasonably nasty.

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People fetishize Ganymede and forget that he was probably a child when he was abducted by Zeus...

I believe it was around 12, which wasn’t even okay back then so there’s no excuse really. The myth explicitly states it as rape so I definitely agree that this is extremely weird and uncomfortable.

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There can be a Hades x Persephone story without excluding Persephone's kidnapping but not having her fall in love with him within 6 months. That's still mess up. I want slow burn Persades.

Yes, they can be so fun.

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A lot of the Lore Olympus hate—while understandable sometimes—feels forced and can be dumbed down to preference.

The artstyle is where people will always lose me I’m afraid. The character design I will agree on sometimes but the artstyle itself is quite gorgeous and unique.

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“Are there any female victims treated this way?” Are you fucking kidding?

Female rape victims have been murdered because they were alleged to have “enjoyed” being assaulted. A not insignificant number of honor killings happen after a woman was raped. Top senators and political officials have attempted to (and in some countries successfully) enshrine into law that pregnancy can’t occur from rape. Women who are raped have a monumentally tiny chance of having their assailant convicted. The “rough sex”/BDSM defense has almost entirely been used to defend men who attack or murder women including more than one instance of adult men who have claimed that teenage girls “consented” to extreme sex acts that led to their deaths

The idea that this rhetoric is only leveled at male victims when hundreds of women and girls have died as a result is genuinely offensive.

Do you think I don’t know all of this? I am a woman, I grew up with it. My question had nothing to do with real life please don’t bring this up like that. It was a very specific question aimed at the fandom space, do not bring hate here.

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Achilles and Patroclus are not gay, but fans of the Song of Achilles think so. (This is the opinion of someone who has read the Iliad in four different translations; their relationship is platonic, but fans tend to exaggerate any two characters who seem close, regardless of the reality.) Their deep friendship is often portrayed as a passionate love affair, which they then reduce to a fan-favorite yaoi story that ignores their true nature.

More friends with benefits patrochilles

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Neoptolemus was absolutely wrong for what he did of course, but at the same time it feels like all the other adults around him stuck a child into a war under the weight of his father's shadow and acted surprised when that child ended up psychotic.

Yes, the play Philoctetes portrays this the best. There’s no denying he’s a child being ruined by war.

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Some people really think that if you orgasm while being sexually assaulted, that means you enjoyed it and therefore it wasn't assault

Y'all are weird and are low-key using a rapist talking point. Get help. Please.

See: everyone using the fact that Odysseus had children with Circe (and I think Calypso) to say that he wasn't faithful and didn't really love Penelope.

Yeah. Fun fact: orgasms during sexual assault are not blanks and do not mean he was having a good time. It just means he was stimulated enough to reach orgasm.

I personally have only seen this with the male victims as well, most male victims at that. Are there any female victims treated this way?

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Many kinds of power imbalances in Greek mythology will mean you cannot obtain consent

whether this is an issue of mortality or social statue or freedom

the war prizes cannot consent to the kings, nor can enslaved women like melantho to the suitors (even if they say yes, the question is can you safely say no?). Mortals cannot consent to gods (can you refuse apollos advances and not get killed? Or cursed?).

I’m not saying don’t ship (or that I don’t) but the power imbalances would dictate a whole lot more than I see anyone talking about.

Yes precisely, I do believe people themselves should choose what they are and aren’t comfortable with when it comes to shipping in this fandom and block accordingly. No morality checking just because you don’t share the same interpretation as someone else. Just have fun and don’t harass people.

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what even is andromache dickriding? thinking you shouldnt victim blame a person for being enslaved and raped and someone else murdering your baby? is that one guy still mad about getting flamed over that? andromache haters are so strange

This is not a hot take, do not harass people here.

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Honestly, Hermes x Circe is overrated with no myth basis and only became popular due to Miller's Circe book and Epic, even though they never met.

Hermes hid Apollo’s lyre on her island, with fandom that’s all it takes I suppose.

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ANDROMACHE AND CIRCE DICKRIDERS ARE THE WORSTTTTT IDC IDC

Brave words.

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aeneas saw astyanax fall to his death and couldnt do anything. astyanax also has more features of aeneas than hector.

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Tiktok/Tumblr/any social media discussing Greek myths really, can be quite misogynistic sometimes..because why tf have I seen people blaming Andromache for her fate??

The known women get mischaracterized and hated while the less important women never so much as get mentioned from my observations.

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I love Telegonus and Cassiphone

Valid.

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I'm so excited for Nolan's Odyssey and idc how inaccurate it is

Pop off.