e.t. the extra.

this is a side blog shared between an infj and intp. we like messages. send us messages.

[et-merkki]

pen is

INTP and INTJ end up going to separate universities. And several months later, INTP spontaneously messages INTJ...

INTP: GUESS WHAT?

INTJ: hm?

INTP: TODAY

INTP: I

INTP: SAW

INTP: A

INTP: REAL

INTP: PENIS

INTP: ! (in art class)

INTP: i am low key scarred for my life. thank god it was an old man's.

INTJ: haha, love all the caps.

INTP: ... ._.

[theanguishedangel]

How Idealists care about others:

FeNi (ENFJ):

“Hiiiiiiii! :D!!!!! How ’s everything???? Looook, i brought u chocolates, ‘cause i know you’re very exhausted by the tests!!! Want to talk? Ooooh! Give me a hug x3!”

NiFe (INFJ):

“Are you okay? What’s going on? What happened? Oh, come on, that’s not true, and you know it. And that’s because of this, and that, and […], and… and you’re awesome, and I love you so much.”

Nefi (ENFP):

“Oh, yeah… i know…  i really understand you… but you know? THAT’S NOT TRUE! You’re pretty f*ck*ng awesome!!! >_<!!! Come on, i was also like you, but… but there is a way out, don’t give up! I swear i understand you, and you’re going to overcome it! I’ll be with you!!”

FiNe (INFP):

“Oh… i know… i understand you perfectly… it hurts a lot, but… *hug* let’s go, everything will be okay, you’ll be fine, of course you’ll be. It’s hard, it’s so complicated, but you can with this…  You and me, we’ll be fine, because i’ll be with you.”

[personality-studies]

How Do You Use Extraverted Feeling?

(Written by Susan Storm on Psychology Junkie)

DOMINANT EXTRAVERTED FEELERS

How ESFJs Use Fe: ESFJs are going to be more like mimics when it comes to responding to social cues – fluidly copying the body language and feel of other people to put them at ease and make them feel comfortable. ESFJs are very aware of the appropriate responses and what’s appropriate to talk about – they are usually masters of social graces and hosting. They are excellent listeners, who respond with sympathy and understanding. When they speak, they are going to speak literally and about practical matters usually. ESFJs love tradition and being part of a group of people or institution – for this reason, they will often have a more traditional response to things, or they will recall helpful advice someone they respect once told them. They will use their memory in helping people – what has helped someone in this position before? What has helped me before? When they speak  to you and try to help you feel better, they will often do so by offering practical advice or thinking of some practical way they can help you. They would think: You’re feeling sad? Let me find a practical way to help you. I will bring you a meal this week so you don’t have to cook.

ESFJs hate conflict, and will always try to keep things harmonious. They are very generous and kind, and will usually do what they can to avoid conflict or criticism. If they are in an environment where criticism or conflict is normal, they may fall into the grip of their inferior function; introverted thinking.

How ENFJs Use Fe: ENFJs are more like counselors and inspirers in their way of talking to people. Instead of necessarily offering practical advice they will use their intuition to try to dig deep into your soul and discuss the very root of who you are as a person. They are usually very expressive and advanced with language, seeing it as an art form that they can mold to a very specific intent. They will use their words to inspire you, to find a way to make you feel better, and to empathize. They will focus less on the past, and more on the future. They will use more metaphor in their speech and will not be as focused on solving a problem with what has worked in the past, but finding a unique innovative solution. They don’t mind delving into ‘inappropriate’ waters, and can greatly enjoy discussing philosophy, abstract ideas, or the existential. When it comes to helping, they will offer inspirational or therapeutic advice more often than practical advice. They would think: You’re sad? Let me find an insight into your soul that I can use to inspire you. Let’s talk this through till you are feeling like a brand new person.

Like ESFJs, ENFJs hate conflict or criticism, and will try to keep things harmonious as much as possible. That said, ENFJs usually have extremely strong opinions and ideals that they live by. They will cause conflict or remain in a crisis situation if their ideals are being challenged. If they are in a regular state of conflict, they may fall into the grip of their inferior function; introverted thinking.

AUXILARY EXTRAVERTED FEELERS

How ISFJs Use Fe: ISFJs are very concerned with the harmony of the people around them. They are very generous and empathetic, and will do what they can to maintain good feelings in their environment. They use their dominant Si to remember details about what people like and need, and they will use those memories to help those around them. If you casually mention that you love Sour Patch Kids more than any other candy, the ISFJ will store that away in case they need to cheer you up some time. They are usually very good at reading body language, emotions, and social cues and do what they can to alter the conversation or mood accordingly. Like ESFJs, they can often mimic body language or tone to make the person they’re with feel more related to or understood. They like to offer practical solutions to problems or help in practical ways, bringing you food if you’re sick or helping you clean your house if you’re tired, etc,.

How INFJs Use Fe: INFJs love to make those around them feel understood and inspired. They use their dominant intuition to pick up on various small cues as to what a person is thinking or feeling inside. They are often great counselors and listeners, and don’t care to engage in small talk, although they will utilize it to make people feel at ease. INFJs want to really get into the depth of what makes someone who they are. They’re not afraid to discuss inappropriate or strange topics, and will be able to sense if someone is being phony. While ISFJs use memory to help others, INFJs use intuition – they are good at seeing through motives and social facades to the real person. Their form of helping others is less practical and more insightful. They will offer more therapeutic or inspirational help; helping you grapple with a difficult emotional problem or giving you a goal or idea to look forward to and inspire you.

TERTIARY EXTRAVERTED FEELERS

How ESTPs Use Fe: ESTPs are “The Doers” in the MBTI world. They are fun, active and charming people who usually excel in an active and fast-paced life. They are optimists who live in the moment and make the best of every opportunity. When it comes to Fe, ESTPs use it to navigate through social settings and form connections with others. They are usually very good at blending in and engaging with other people, quickly establishing rapport with others.  Because their Fe is not very advanced, ESTPs don’t prefer to get into very deep discussions about feelings or emotions, and don’t like to discuss their own feelings or emotions very much. Socially they can seem quick-witted and friendly, but one-on-one they make keep their feelings much more hidden or ignored and will usually tire of very emotional conversations.

How ENTPs Use Fe: ENTPs are bright, innovative types who love discussing theories and possibilities and finding innovative ways to improve the world around them. They are insightful and logical and enjoy being able to discuss their ideas with others. ENTPs use Fe to discern the motives of other people – they focus less on what is said, but how it is said. They like to use Fe to cultivate good feelings and harmony in their environment; though disharmony isn’t as troubling to them as it would be to the more Fe-dominant types. ENTPs can use Fe to navigate social situations smoothly and connect with people on a deeper level. They are usually able to discern other people’s emotions relatively well, and can alter the mood of the conversation to put them at ease. Because their Fe is not very advanced, ENTPs tend to dislike very emotionally-rich conversations. They won’t be as likely to discuss their own emotions, and may just ignore them, which can eventually lead to resentment towards others. They have to be careful to be honest and authentic with their family and relationships so that they don’t end up holding in bitterness over emotions they’ve stifled.

INFERIOR EXTRAVERTED FEELERS

How ISTPs Use Fe: ISTPs experience Fe more as  ‘background noise’ than something they know how to proficiently use. They want things to be harmonious and prefer to get along with others. They also have an awareness and desire to treat everyone with fairness and respect. They can usually navigate social situations relatively smoothly, and can ‘rub elbows’ with others in a lighthearted way, often enjoying workplace banter and creating a positive atmosphere. This social awareness helps them to maintain their outer ‘cool’ demeanor and they tend not to be very socially awkward. However, ISTPs don’t particularly enjoy using Fe. They see it as getting in the way, and usually want to stifle it in some way. They don’t really enjoy expressing their emotions or feelings, and are often very out of touch with them. Because of this, they will have a hard time understanding or being insightful to others emotions and feelings.

If an ISTP experiences chronic stress, they may fall into the grip of Fe and become uncharacteristically emotional and/or out of control. Because this is how they experience emotion, they tend to dislike their emotions and can’t imagine why anyone would want to delve into emotional territory. Because their emotions are irrational, they are likely to assume that everyone’s emotions are irrational. While ISTPs are logically and tactically extremely advanced, they place little value on emotional intelligence.

How INTPs Use Fe: INTPs experience Fe in a very similar way to ISTPs. They prefer to maintain harmony in their environment, and dislike conflict or confrontation. They want others to feel included and treated with fairness and respect. However, because Fe is something they don’t have a good grasp of, they are often afraid to utilize it in social situations because they realize  that they cannot bring out the situationally-appropriate emotion easily. They are much more comfortable in the world of logic and ideas, and may shy away from emotional topics or discussing feelings. Because their Fe is inferior, INTPs may have a hard time discerning the emotions and moods of others and will dislike being in an emotionally-charged environment. Being asked about how they feel can be frustrating for them since they are usually somewhat unaware of their own feelings and emotions.

If an INTP experiences chronic stress, they may fall into the grip of Fe and become unusually emotional or out of control. Because  this is their way of experiencing emotion, they can’t understand why other people value emotions so highly. Because it is out of control for them, they see emotions in any form as being ‘out of control’. While they are often highly intelligent and innovative thinkers, they usually place little value on emotional intelligence.

[moodyehudi-deactivated20180519]

The 16 types when they are sad

INTJ: they hold a grudge and decide to avoid what made them sad. They get quiet when they’re sad and start over-thinking about the situation.

INTP: they think about not going back to what hurt them, but will end up changing their mind a few times. their sadness is often misconstrued as fury. 

ENTJ: passionately expresses what is bothering them and maybe cries a little, gets really heated if people don’t take them seriously in this state.

ENTP: turns to their inner circle for support, even if they aren’t physically present. 

INFJ: tries to understand why they are upset about this thing, starts getting angry at themselves for being sad. Isolates and shuts people out. 

INFP: writes about feelings, seeks comfort, listens to sad music, retreats from groups, disengages self from most activities, cries.

ENFJ: Gets angry at the thing that they fault for making them sad. Takes out anger by saying something they’ll regret. 

ENFP: Asks themselves what they ever did to deserve a negative emotion- 

ISTJ: mentally lists everything that has occurred throughout the past day including food and liquid intake in order to determine the source of the sad feelings

ISFJ: goes to their source of support for comfort and guidance. shuts out everyone else.

ESTJ: Talks non-stop about the thing that made them sad. Vows to destroy the source of all negative emotions they come across.

ESFJ: cries about the thing that made them sad for 3 hours, then fixes it in 15 minutes.

ISTP: Goes online to distract themselves

ISFP: pours their sadness into their art.

ESTP: Goes out with a big group of good friends to distract themselves.

ESFP: Goes out by themselves to meet new people and have wild new experiences.

[cognitive-exper-ti-se]

Spotting the INFJ in its Natural Habitat

Hello there, your friendly neighborhood INFJ-Watcher here! Now, a dilemma I have noticed among several INFJ watchers is the simple lack of INFJs. Why is that?

Well. The INFJ is a rare, mysterious creature, with chameleon-esque qualities. The rarity of the INFJ, paired with the ability to blend into their habitat, makes them quite difficult to find!

Not to worry! Spotting an INFJ is difficult, no doubt, but nothing is impossible. To find an INFJ, you will need a few things.

First, you’ll need a thermos of hot chocolate, both to drink for yourself, and to draw the INFJ in. INFJs are drawn to the scent of chocolate, and while they may not ask for it themselves, they will remain close by when it is set out.

Second, you’ll need a set of Skepticles. These are rarely in stock, but they can be made by making two loops with your fingers, holding them up to your eyes, and being extremely skeptical of any and all immoral ideas. INFJs are drawn to people who speak out against what they see as immorality, and Skepticles are an incredibly useful way to see through the eyes of the INFJ.

Third, you will need… Common sense. This is a rare trait found in few people, but if you manage to obtain it, INFJs will no longer be so difficult to find! It’s hard to explain exactly what it is, but people with common sense are more likely to find solutions to their problems, thus leaving the INFJ with fewer tasks.

Now that we have our list of what you need, here are some steps to identifying an INFJ, and what their habits are.

The INFJ generally spends their time in places you wouldn’t consider. Their den–or home, if you prefer–is a good place to look, but they also spend their time in small coffee shops, libraries, outdoors, bookstores, and game shops(both board games/card games and video games). 

However, more open settings are frequented by this mysterious creature as well! 

We have attempted to study the feeding habits of the INFJ… but to no avail. 

The INFJ can usually be identified by a quizzical or thoughtful expression, especially when paired with a sarcastic comment and dark sense of humor.

The INFJ is known for mystical revelations–but beware! These so-called mystical revelations are more likely than not simply Ni at work. Ni is an evolutionary trait that allows them an ability to follow a chain of events before it happens, and then estimate how likely an outcome is. Do not expect some form of mystical blue light or whatever. 

The INFJ is very likely to fake enjoyment of something, due to their high Fe. The INFJ is often distinguishable by a sense of lowkey superiority, and often refuses to believe otherwise.

One last thing: the INFJ is a very private creature, and may not take to your advances to stare at them very well. Expect an attack if you are not subtle.

That’s all for today, tune in next time for more INFJ-watching tips.

[daun-selada]

INTP x INTJ be like

Completing each other’s sentences

Nerdy references

Offensive jokes

Making fun of random people

Obscure conversation topics coming in and out of nowhere

INTJ being confused

Gaming together

[et-merkki]

drawing

INTJ: Hey INTP, found my drawing from 8th grade. *shows it to INTP*

INTP: Pff...

INTJ: It's pretty shitty.

INTP: It's awful... but pretty good!

INTJ: What the fuck does that mean?

INTP: If I was an outsider, I'd think it looks horrendous. However, thanks to my bias towards you, it looks pretty good... for your art skills anyways!

INTJ: WTF.

INTP: //pats

[et-merkki]

stupid question

INTP: Hey INTJ, I have a stupid question!

INTJ: Pff...

INTP: What? Is there something on my face?

INTJ: No, it's just that most of the time you say you have a stupid question... it's actually not all that stupid.

INTP: ...

INTP: I have no idea what you're talking about!

[et-merkki]

special snowflake

INTP: I'm very special snowflake!

INTJ: I can easily be you.

INTP: No you can't.

INTJ: Yes I can.

INTP: No you can't.

INTJ: Yes I can.

INTP: You can't even be close to being me, you don't even have a vagina.

INTJ: ...

INTJ: I meant I can behave like you easily.

INTP: Yeah, I know... but I was bored so I twisted your words.

INTJ: ... //sigh

INTP: Heh...

[naughty-nanny]

"There's way more than just 16 types of people"

Of course there are… We arent saying there are just 16 types.

There are 16 MBTI types And 9 Enneagram types Which combine to make 27 archetypes And each archetype has 6 different stacking orders And there’s also 3 different instinctual variants Which can be stacked in 6 different ways

So let me see…

16*27*6*6=15,552

That sounds about right.

So yes, we are trying to fit you into one of 15,552 boxes and still account for free choice and level of emotional and mental health.

[in-tj]

This.

[lunarspine-deactivated20190208]

Also, certain functions of an individual can be more or less developed than another’s, even with the same type.

[mbtiandothersuchthings]

I think there are even more types. We haven’t done wings, or health in enneagram, or health in MBTI. 

For example, the tritype 147.

1w2 or 1w9 + 4w3 or 4w5 + 7w6 or 7w8. That’s two to the third, or eight types.

So for every tritype, there are 8 types. And that’s in the same order. Change the order and we multiply by 9. That’s 72.

Then we have the different tritypes. 27 of them, so multiply 72 by 27. 1,944.

Then we have instinctual variants. 6 combinations of them, so 1,944 times 6 for 11,664.

Then we have how healthy a type is. There are 9 levels of health in enneagram, so multiply 11,664 by 9 for 104,976.

Then, we have 16 MBTI types. Multiply 104,976 by 16 and we get 1,679,616 types.

Then we have specifications about the MBTI types: grips, loops or healthy. Three options for each MBTI type. Multiply 1,679,616 by 3 for 5,038,848.

Then we divide; 7.4 billion people by 5,038,848.  

That’s 1,468.58 people in the world who are exactly like you. We can round that up to 1,469.

And that isn’t including personal experience, physical appearance, mental health, and a bunch of other factors.

So yeah, more than 16 types of people. By a lot.

[daun-selada]

the introverts and their trickster (7th) functions

INxP (PoLR Se): “what did you say?” *nervous laugh because not sure what you said but didn’t want to ask you (again)* “hm? oh i didn’t see..” “…i wasn’t paying attention” *trips over absolutely nothing* *falls up the stairs* *walks into everything* *takes 2 hours to decide whether to buy a sandwich or a kebab for lunch* *ends up buying neither because forgot about hunger* don’t let them carry the eggs when grocery shopping

ISxP (PoLR Ne): “how did i not see that???????” “ok so now what do i do” “study???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah “i’m a risk taker” *does something stupid and doesn’t realize that it’s stupid until it’s too late* “??????? but where’s the PROOF” “how was i supposed to know he was gonna do that?????” *has a good idea but isn’t going to share it because “it’s better if you don’t know it”* “let’s just finish this one first please” brainstorming gives them headaches

IxFJ (PoLR Te): “?? what that’s not true because that happened to me last time and-” *wants to share a great idea but ends up talking about themselves instead* *can often cancel plans due to poor scheduling skills* *uses the less efficient path to do something but its ok bcs it’s how it’s supposed to be done* “i mean i know i should do it…. but…….. i don’t want to….” *regarding something important like school or university* “i know i won’t like this so i’ll just fail i guess lol sorry i guess” *wants to teach their friends something great but everyone just thinks it’s annoying because it kind of turns into a lecture everytime* these poor souls “yeah… i’ll just do it later” *procrastinates for 57 years* their ideas are sometimes even more impractical than those Ne users it’s amazing

IxTJ (PoLR Fe): *tries in vain to share their ideas to a group* “no… that’s not what i meant…” “?? i have no idea who you’re talking about” *when someone rants about their emotional problems* “… so where’s the problem” *everyone thinks they’re moody as heck but it’s actually IxTJ’s failure in trying to connect with others* “EMOTIONS MAKE ME SO TIRED” “how should i know that’s what you actually meant” “i mean i’ve never wanted to fit in since childhood” they get so angry when they see people do something just to adhere to social norms

[daun-selada]

the extroverts and their trickster functions

ExTP (PoLR Fi): *has a perfectly fine idea but doesn’t share it because it might be r00d* *is actually very specific when describing something* “i call bullshit on that” “i can be friends with everybody :)” “it’s bad and unhealthy to hate people!!” *really doesn’t give enough shits to like or hate anybody* “??? ethical what now????” probably has done something really bad or naughty in their childhood that they are not ashamed of ((my ENTP dad used to torture mice because they kept biting through his wires))

ExFP (PoLR Ti): “no i didn’t mean that!!” “ok i said it the wrong way” *has a million different ideas that are just sitting there, lacking any logical background* *accidentally says something that contradicts their previous idea while trying to point out the big picture* *when someone opposes their idea* “ok…you might be right…….but im right too (no matter what)” “stop shoving your opinions down my throat!!!!” “omg can’t you understand my train of thought instead of pointing out these unimportant details?!?!??!?!?!!!11!” will probably lose interest in something if that curiosity is even superficially satisfied

ENxJ (PoLR Si): *when someone tells them to rest* “no pain no gain!!!!” basically Papyrus from Undertale, “you’re so lazy!!! you were napping all night!!!” “you won’t achieve anything…. if you don’t strain yourself…” *is actually insecure about own physical appearance* *body temperature is 60°C* “i’m not sick” *has 29 different bodily pains* “it’s probably nothing* *plays games for 17 hours straight without eating or sleeping* “yeah i’ve done a 24 hour shift several times before” *temperature is -2°C* *wears a t-shirt outside* no, they didn’t forget your birthday for the past 15 years on purpose

ESxJ (PoLR Ni): “metaphors????????? what are those” *when misguided by an instruction that isn’t blatantly spelled out* “ok but it didn’t exactly SAY that” “can u just EXPLICITLY tell me ffs man stop with your hinting i dont get it ok” *does something wrong but doesn’t know it’s wrong until the consequences hit them in the face* *does the same wrong thing again in the future* “huh???? uh… yeah… i totally know what you’re talking about….” *when someone compliments them but sarcastically* “oh yeah thanks :)” “i have no idea what this is gonna do but i think it should be right” “OOOHHH so people don’t like it when i do that? they should’ve just told me geez” “look ok…. i respect your opinion i guess… but i WILL win this argument” “what the FUCK i cant believe my favorite TV show is 1 minute late” “ok but thats so unrealistic so no” very bad with time like i dont even get it. they’re those people who’d go “it’ll only take 5 minutes!!” and ends up taking 30 minutes

[angry-intp-deactivated20160330]

Main difference between an INTJ and INTP

INTJ: wants to take over the world and has a plan

INTP: wants to take over the world and has two cats and a mini solar system in their room

[et-merkki]

bs.

*INTP is currently working on the business plan (that's due in the next three days) for the organization it's stuck in*

"Future Plans--State your organization's future plans for the next several years and how you plan to accomplish them."

INTP: (How do they expect us to even think that far... time to go message INTJ)

INTP: Hey INTJ, I have question.

INTJ: Hm?

INTP: Does our organization have any future plans for the next several years?

INTJ: ...

INTP: Should I just bs it?

INTJ: ... bs it.

INTP: Pff, wow... mmkay.

[et-merkki]

jeans.

On most days, INTP is wearing a polo shirt, a pair of khakis, and sneakers, but today…

ENFP: INTP, oh my god, you’re wearing jeans today.

INTP: …

INTP: Indeed?

ENFP: Usually you wear khakis.

INTP: … I guess so.

ENFP: Mmhmmm.

-a little bit later-

Classmate: Oh, you’re wearing jeans today. Nice.

INTP: *nods*

-and a little bit later-

INTJ: Oh, you’re wearing jeans today.

INTP: *slightly irritated* Problem?

INTJ: Nope, not at all. Just different.

INTP: Meh, change of pace.

INTJ: Oh, you’re wearing a bracelet too.

INTP: … I’ve been wearing it since December.

INTJ: …

INTJ: Well, you never roll up your sleeves so I never noticed.

INTP: *sigh*

[misadventureswithintjs]

Ni-doms in a Loop

INTJ: I fucked up I fucked up, I’m a loser with no purpose in life wtf I am so ANGRY at myself because I am not good enough and I’m a shitty person. I don’t CARE about being productive I’m just gonna sit here and SULK and not talk to anyone. FUCK it. *throws temper tantrum before crying secretly into pillow*

INFJ: *blank, soulless expression* Who cares. Who even cares, we’re all just walking meat sacks in the world with no purpose. Everything in life is meaningless, everyone will inevitably betray you, and emotions do nothing but hinder us. From now on I am eliminating all emotions from my brain and forming no close relationships with anyone.

[socionicsanimegifs]

ENFP when their INFJ friend is leaving.