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Reminder that unless you're transmasc or a trans man, your opinion on the validity of transandrophobia as a term and a concept means jack shit ♡
Thought this was a good writeup on the struggles that someone sees as a trans man
It’s so incredibly sad how radfeminism seeping into trans spaces has led to this kind of separationist thinking being replicated in much the same way it is seen in cis terf spaces. If you don’t trust any transmasculine people or the people they associate with, that isn’t healthy and potentially very self isolating, outside of the fact that it’s also just bigotry towards another minority group. I don’t know how to help people like this other than wishing I could shake them and make them aware they’re falling down a dangerous gender essentialist pipeline that we’ve seen time and time again.
people will be BLATANTLY and VIOLENTLY transphobic against transmascs + spit the most vile intersexist/exorsexist bullshit youve ever seen in your entire life, and then still be marked green on shinigami eyes
like are you fucking kidding me. jesus christ
it doesn't even matter whether or not you think transandrophobia is "real" at this point, this is just active transphobia. Period. it doesn't matter how you spin it. you can mark people like this as green as you want, that doesn't mean I'm ever going to feel safe.
no excuse is going to convince me that any of these people (or the shinigami eyes extension itself) are "trans-friendly." active intersexism/exorsexism/transphobia (yes, even aimed at those "shitty tme tboys!") is not "trans-friendly." this isn't up for debate. stop pretending like it is. you can't pick and choose which trans people are okay to support and which ones are "acceptable targets." this is fucking nasty
Can't scroll through a transfem's blog without being met with something to the effect of trans men's problems don't matter, they've never suffered once in their life, they don't know what real transphobia is, they're transphobic for saying they've experienced transphobia, etc.
At this point if I look at any person's blog and don't see vocal support for both transfems and transmascs I can block them and be 95% I've saved myself some unnecessary transphobic drivel, especially if it's a transfem. Cis queers will have the usual milquetoast "haha man bad" variants of this bullshit, but man. The trans women. Why are they so comfortable with their transphobia. What went wrong.
the most baffling idea that goes around these days is that masculinity is accepted and even encouraged in girls
that's the stupidest shit ever posted on the internet and i think that any trans person who grew up as a girl can agree to that, except a small minority who grew up in a privileged background
masculinity is only ever accepted in ppl perceived as women if it panders to the cishet male gaze. it's very similar to the Gone Girl "cool girl" monologue. u can like fixing cars, but u better wear a really small top and have nice tits while doing it. u can like sports and hanging out with guys, watch sci fi and be fun and messy, but u better have a full face of appropriate make up during it and be careful that u remain skinny. also if u have a traditionally considered male hobby or job, it's cool, but only as long as u are not better than the men around u. that' not masculinity being accepted, it's immature cishet men wanting a girlfriend that puts as much effort in her appearance as a girly girl without being "high maintenence"
and all that shit applies if you're gender conforming
when u start presenting in a masculine way is when shit hits the fan. i wouldn't say that u lose all privilege (if you're cis) when u go masc, but the way u are perceived is not the same. suddenly u are no longer deserving of protection, kindness or dignity. when i presented hard masc it was almost impossible to go outside without gettimg harassed at a magnitude i've never experiences before or since. ppl stopped being kind to me, i was treated like a freak show, the little queer u can show like a new purchase, ppl treated me like i was stupid to the point that it affected my school life. ppl were routinely staring at me, and in some instances even tried to touch me (my tits specifically) without consent to see if i was a girl
but that's not all
regardless of what some trans radfems like to claim, u are forced into femininity, all the time. every hair cut, every shopping trip, every year when u don't bring a boyfriend (bc transandrophobia and lesbophobia have always been cousins), every day u don't put make up on, every time u shot down a demand to perform femininity, is followed by screaming, crying and monstruous fights from family members or ppl in a position of power, during which u are repeatedly reminded that being yourself is wrong and you're an abomination
and that's why u can never ask for help, not about the fighting or the endless verbal and sexual harassement, bc u will probably be told that it's entirely your fault, and u deserved all of it
In a few years transphobia will fall out of fashion and all the tme/tma people will quietly switch to conforming with the majority opinion again. Bull I'll remember why I have 75% of the transfems on this site blocked.
if a trans man tells you that certain things you’re saying/doing are making him uncomfortable, or is trying to tell you the ways in which he experiences marginalization, your first instinct should be to listen to him. full stop. you should be listening to trans men. thats it. if the idea of doing so makes you roll your eyes or feel the need to start debating, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong
"Trans women/fems should be allowed a word for their experiences around bigotry" is an accepted statement to make.
"Trans men/mascs should be allowed a word for their experiences around bigotry" somehow isn't an accepted statement to make.
The math isn't mathing.
If your criticism of the term transandrophobia or anything that includes masculine terms and bigotry brings up cis men you lose btw. Instantly. Every one of you that gets so pissed at the idea of men being oppressed in any capacity are chronically addicted to bringing up cis men when no one is talking about them. It's the most bad faith argument and it doesn't matter how nicely you put it, you're being a loser and showing your entire ass about how you can't care about trans men without puking in your mouth. Just shut up if you don't have anything insightful to say, I promise, "i dont like the word because it implies cis men are oppressed" isn't an original thought and your voice is not needed.
Let's play a game! Is this historical figure a kickass girlboss ahead of her time, or are you just erasing trans men again?
Why don't the women in The Handmaid's Tale just cut their hair short to escape their oppression? They're being oppressed for choosing to present fem and all they need to do is cut their hair short! Masculinity is always rewarded! Are they stupid!?
"We keep bullying and harassing them over their attempts to create a word for themselves to describe their oppression and calling it harmful ideology for -checks notes- saying trans men are oppressed and need support, so they keep changing it to appease us, clearly this is a sign we're right and they're wrong."
Don't bother blocking transradfems, speak the truth and they'll come tell you to kill yourself all on their own
Whenever someone points out JKR's transphobia, just remember it started out as transandrophobia and then spread to everyone else. Specifically because of this book:
This shit is what sent that mold huffer down the path she's known for today. Hatred for and infantilisation of trans men specifically. Born of this book. Do not let anyone, especially if they don't believe in transandrophobia, forget where her ideology comes from. She went after us, she spread transandrophobia first, she read and praised and promoted this book long before she went off on trans women. She targeted us first.
You gotta admit, there's a real fucking audacity to say "I don't like the word that you use to talk about your oppression. So you need to change for me, even though it has nothing to do with me"
I hate that I have to say this every other time I enter the tag. None of us say this and if they do they're just starting a bad faith argument.