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so serious question, what is demisexuality? i cant find a definition that actually makes sensw but i may be stupid
you know how like. when you see someone you usually don't immediately fall in love with them because people don't typically look at someone and want to marry them right away without knowing them first
it's that
"but that's like 99% of peopl-"
yeah
"then why-"
we don't know girls
Okay, let’s explain-
A lot of allosexuals find people physically attractive, right? Maybe even looking at strangers like, “I’d fuck that” purely on appearance?
A demisexual will experience that sexual attraction only after forming a bond. They’re ace, until they’re not. So things like celeb crushes and one night stands typically aren’t a behaviour of demis, because there’s no desire to have sex with a stranger.
Demiromantics are the same, but romantically. Fall in love with a best friend, but not the smart kid in Language Arts, yeah?
And that's supposed to make y'all like us queers or...
Yes. Due to demisexuality’s existance as “Asexual Until Not”, it falls under the asexual spectrum, which is under the A in LGBTQIA along with aromantic.
i am literally begging yall to go outside
im not even gonna give the rest of that fucking reply the time of day but holy shit. oh my god. the gay pride flag, THE RAINBOW not ur fuckin "blue 4 boys uwu" flag, was made long before asexuality was ever considered a part of the lgbt community. and regardless of that, the fact that an ace person cant be comfortable with gay people celebrating their sex (which cishet people have been saying makes them uncomfortable for fucking centuries) is so abhorrent. and its fucking homophobic. i dont care if youre 'homoromantic', saying that the idea of celebrating gay sex makes you uncomfortable is homophobia. point blank fucking period. im so exhausted.
if something as basic and essential to the gay liberation movement as celebrating sex positivity, which was literally one of the goals from the very start, is antithetical to u and ur demographic being part of the lgbt community, you should reconsider if u n ur demographic belong in our community. we have been fighting for gay liberation for decades, y’all have been whining about inclusion since 2003, we are not the same
just saw this in the notes and wow so true
Remember bean of cheese is like 14 or 15
cool im 16 and im the op
mean lesbians & evil bisexuals we need to unionize
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as a bisexual, i’m so exhausted by this bi/pan discourse, whether discussing it online or with people i know irl, and i hate feeling like i’m screaming into a void so i’d rather just put it into one text post and stop talking about it myself and redirect that energy elsewhere.
first off i have people in my life dear to me who identify as pan, including my own sister who is my best friend, and i don’t automatically hate anyone just for identifying as pan (especially if you’re trans). what i hate is that no amount of logical reasoning, historical evidence, and straight up critical thinking skills is enough to tell people why the label itself has done so much harm to bisexuality. it’s not about how pan people as a whole are the supposed bad guys and bi oppressors or whatever, it’s literally just about the label itself and how it has not only exacerbated already existing negative bi stereotypes but created new ones.
it feels like nobody cares enough to discuss these issues and think about this critically except for bisexuals, and that’s because this is an issue affecting us. the only other support i’ve seen are from gay men and lesbians (particularly trans and nonbinary). everytime someone makes a well-written, well-researched post about the pan community’s biphobia and transphobia, it feels like it’s for nothing because a majority of people will still have this condescending, self-victimizing “pan people are not the reason why society is biphobic, let people identify however they want and stop blaming it on us” attitude that tries to absolve them from any sort of fault.
and then to turn around and claim that bisexuals are being panphobic like ...what is panphobia that isn’t biphobia? is it just people telling you that your label is not valid? i can think of a list of things that people associate with bisexuals (greedy, sluttiness, unfaithful, dirty, indecisive, etc.) and i never see any of that associated with pansexuals. it’s just weird to me to tell bisexuals to shut up and then turn around and claim that you have it worse.
when people and media do portray pansexuals as “hearts not parts” and more progressive, i never see people’s first instinct being “hey that is biphobic and transphobic,” i always see people’s first instinct being “that’s not what pansexual actually means!!” it shows me that you don’t care about solidarity when you’re more concerned about defending the definition of a label that’s constantly changing rather than calling out the prejudice against other groups.
and to see celebrities like miley cyrus straight up saying “i hate the word bisexual because it’s putting me in a box.” kehlani saying “i’m not bi, i like everyone including trans and nonbinary, i’m pan.” lauren jauregui saying “i used to be bi but i found being pan so much more liberating.” rina sawayama saying “i realized i’m pan because i’m also attracted to nonbinary.” is all just disappointing especially because i’ve looked up to all of these women at one point or another. i’m not claiming any of them are biphobic but their statements further stigamatize bi people and i have seen people only praise them for it. also not all of these were said verbatim but that was the general jist of their coming out. plus there has been a lot more offensive coming outs but i wont get into those because i don’t care enough about those celebrities.
and lastly it really sucks to see that lgbt spaces, organizations and companies have just kind of went with this. seeing all these pride merchandise for unnecessary “mga” labels like polysexual/omnisexual. inaccurately redefining bisexual to validate these other identities is what kills me the most. bisexuality by definition has never excluded trans and nonbinary people. i constantly see the definition of pansexuality changing and i still don’t know any clear definition that is both not biphobic and different from bisexual. some people say it’s a microlabel, some people say it’s completely different, but it’s all inconsistent and often offensive.
i have no interest in discussing queer politics with people who still use the original biphobic/transphobic definitions of pan. people who go through verbal and mental gymnastics to differentiate between bi and pan. people who have no interest in changing their biphobia. people who take any criticism of the term pansexuality as a personal attack.
i probably have a lot more to say but i’m getting tired of writing all that out, there have been so many people who have said everything i did but better and more elaborate. i have zero interest in engaging any further with this discourse, i will probably still reblog posts by other bisexuals. but unless you have real critical thinking skills, ability to take criticism, and an open mind, i have zero interest in discussing this. if anyone new or already following me wanted to know how i feel about this then this is the furthest i will go.
if anyone cared enough to read through this whole thing i really seriously appreciate it a lot. i love my fellow bisexuals and also everyone supportive of our voices, especially lesbians who i’ve noticed have been our strongest allies. my new years wish is that people will stop dismissing biphobia. that people will care about uplifting and suppporting bisexuality. here’s a great tweet by joshua rush to end this post. happy 2021 💗💜💙
@cyprinodont Bisexuality has literally always meant attraction to all genders. It’s our history. Being Bilingual doesn’t mean you only speak two languages, are you saying Pansexuality was born out of people “mistaking” bi for only meaning two genders and not bothering to do research into bisexual history that shows no need for another label to say “attraction to all genders?”
“…the very wealth and humanity of bisexuality itself: for to exclude from one’s love any entire group of human beings because of class, age, or race or religion, or sex, is surely to be poorer — deeply and systematically poorer.”
— Kate Miller (1974)
“It’s easier, I believe, for exclusive heterosexuals to tolerate (and that’s the word) exclusive homosexuals than [bisexuals] who, rejecting exclusivity, sleep with people not genders…”
— Martin Duberman (1974)
“Margaret Mead in her Redbook magazine column wrote an article titled ‘Bisexuality: What’s It All About?’ in which she cited examples of bisexuality from the distant past as well as recent times, commenting that writers, artists, and musicians especially ‘cultivated bisexuality out of a delight with personality, regardless of race or class or sex.’” — Janet Bode, “From Myth to Maturation,” View From Another Closet: Exploring Bisexuality in Women (1976)
“Being bisexual does not mean they have sexual relations with both sexes but that they are capable of meaningful and intimate involvement with a person regardless of gender.” — Janet Bode, “The Pressure Cooker,” View From Another Closet (1976)
“[John] reacted emotionally to both sexes with equal intensity. ‘I love people, regardless of their gender,’ he told me.”
— Charlotte Wolff, “Early Influences,” Bisexuality, a Study (1979)
“In the midst of whatever hardships we [bisexuals] had encountered, this day we worked with each other to preserve our gift of loving people for who they are regardless of gender.”
— Elissa M., “Bi Conference,” Bi Women (1985)
“I believe that people fall in love with individuals, not with a sex… I believe most of us will end up acknowledging that we love certain people or, perhaps, certain kinds of people, and that gender need not be a significant category, though for some of us it may be.” — Ruth Hubbard, “There Is No ‘Natural’ Human Sexuality, Bi Women (1986)
“To be bisexual is to have the potential to be open emotionally and sexually to people as people, regardless of their gender.” — Office Pink Publishing, “Introduction,” Bisexual Lives (1988)
“We made signs and slashes. My favorite read, ‘When it’s love in all its splendor, it doesn’t matter what the gender.’”
— Beth Reba Weise, “Being There and Being Bi: The National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights,” Bi Women (1988)
“Bisexuality is a whole, fluid identity. Do not assume that bisexuality is binary or duogamous in nature: that we have ‘two’ sides or that we must be involved simultaneously with both genders to be fulfilled human beings. In fact, don’t assume that there are only two genders.”
— The Bay Area Bisexual Network, “The 1990 Bisexual Manifesto,” Anything That Moves (1990)
“Bisexuality works to subvert the gender system and everything it upholds because it is not based on gender… Bisexuality subverts gender; bisexual liberation also depends on the subversion of gender categories.” — Karin Baker and Helen Harrison, “Letters,” Bi Women (1990)
“I tell them, whether or not I use the word ‘bisexual,’ that I am proud of being able to express my feelings toward a person, regardless of gender, in whatever way I desire.” — Naomi Tucker, “What’s in a Name?”, Bi Any Other Name (1991)
“Some women who call themselves ‘bisexual’ insist that the gender of their lover is irrelevant to them, that they do not choose lovers on the basis of gender.” — Marilyn Murphy, “Thinking About Bisexuality,” Bi Women (1991)
“As bisexuals, we are necessarily prompted to come up with non-binary ways of thinking about sexual orientation. For many of us, this has also prompted a move toward non-binary ways of thinking about sex and gender.”
— Rebecca Kaplan, “Your Fence Is Sitting on Me: The Hazards of Binary Thinking,” Bisexual Politics (1995)
“I’m bi. That simply means I can be attracted to a person without consideration of their gender.”
— E. Grace Noonan, “Out on the Job: DEC Open to Bi Concerns,” Bi Women (1996)
And “How is changing a name re-defining something” What name are you referring to here? I never claimed to speak for all bisexual people, I’m speaking out on behalf of the ones that don’t appreciate our history and original definition being re-written because people thought and still think bisexuality is a transphobic label. Not to mention a lot of trans people are uncomfortable with a label that goes out of their way to encompass them seeing as LGB identities encompass the ability to hold attraction to nonbinary and trans people. A lot of pansexual people spread the untrue definition of “bi = 2, you cannot be gender-blind and bisexual.” and rightfully so, bisexual people don’t appreciate that.
@cyprinodont Are you essentially saying that bisexuality, a label people have fought and died over with an actual rich history is essentially becoming redundant because it can literally being replaced with another word for no reason? A word that is in fact the exact same thing as you say? Did you not even read the post you commented on? It matters because pansexuality is spreading massively misconceptions and harmful bullshit about bisexuality and bisexual people that actually affects them IRL. We’re told that we see gender, we’re more likely to prioritise gender and gender roles, that we can’t be genderblind, that bi people “lean” more than pan people do. Celebrities say they pick pansexuality over bisexuality because we’re “too restricive” Hell the online definition for pansexuality is that it’s more inclusive than bisexuality, which our history shows isn’t true:
Id-ing as Pan when you think they are essentially the same thing is pointless and just furthers and aggravates discourse such as this. People WRONGFULLY determining that bi = attraction to 2 genders is erasure of our history that we fought hard to establish. People using that ignorance to create a completely different label that means the exact same thing but wanting to distance themselves from bi stereotypes by claiming that bisexuality isn’t trans inclusive. (Which...all LGB sexualities are trans and nonbinary exclusive. Trans and nonbinary people aren’t some kind of third gender that needs a sexuality that encompasses all)
“Oh well words change” isn’t the issue here. It’s the fact that Bisexuality never needed to change. The definition always meant all genders and if a label is born out of misconceptions and to avoid stereotypes of a label then it’s founded in misunderstanding. Words mean something for a reason, especially sexual identities?! I really shouldn’t have to explain that.
What's your opinion on the term bisexual lesbian?
i’m impressed with bisexual lesbians and their ability to simultaneously be biphobic, lesbophobic, AND transphobic all at once ! truly astounding !
okay someone asked me to explain and i will. ask yourself. what is a bi lesbian? how can you be two contradictory things at once?
it’s lesbophobic to say that lesbianism includes attraction to men! lesbians aren’t attracted to men, point blank. not sexually or romantically. if you’re GENUINELY attracted to men (which you might not be— loads of lesbians feel pressured to cling onto some attraction to men, and will often say they’re romantically but not sexually attracted to them before they fully come to terms with their lesbianism), you aren’t a lesbian. you’re bi.
it’s ALSO biphobic to say you can be bisexual and a lesbian— bi women who have a HEAVY preference for women are still bisexual. bi women aren’t lesbians— bi activists have fought to have bisexuality recognized independently as its own identity outside of gayness/lesbianism. there’s nothing wrong with just being bi
but celeste, you may ask, how is it transphobic? WELL. do you know who calls women bisexual lesbians all the time? that’s right— it’s transmisogynists who insist that lesbians who are trans inclusive, such as myself, are “bi lesbians” to separate us from “real lesbians” like themselves. i’ve been called a bi lesbian in the same vulgar tone i’ve been called a “dick-loving lesbian”. it’s a term with bad origins.
the truth is, a lot of women who id as “bi lesbians” are clinging onto an unhealthy identity. they’re either dealing with a lot of internalized biphobia or internalized lesbophobia that’s making it hard for them to fully accept themselves as one or the other. it’s a harmful term that damages all of the communities i listed and shouldn’t be. encouraged
I don't want to look cis i want to look hot
damn..
non binary femmes and butches really out there being awesome as fuck..
felt cute might delete later
they/them
Okay but someone going from identifying as gay or lesbian to identifying as bisexual isn’t like…regressive in the slightest. That person didn’t “turn straight” or “betray the community”. They’re just figuring out who they are. It’s their self-discovery journey, not yours, and you need to understand that instead of getting riled up.
This also goes the other way: someone going from bisexual to gay/lesbian isn’t “proof” that bisexuality is a “stepping stone” or that bisexuals “pick a side” or whatever biphobic bullshit people are saying. They too, are figuring themselves out.
have you made a kirby lesbian flag?
you bet!
i know pansexuality is not just going to dissapear just because its inherently transphobic and biphobic, but when celebrities can say shit like “I always hated the word “bisexual, because that’s even putting me in a box.” in regards of being pansexual. and still no one can see how pansexuality directly harms bi people.
how many times tv shows and movies about lgbt issues have shied from saying bisexual by saying “no labels”, and how they’ve found a new way to avoid saying bisexual. how this feeling of “bisexuality is too restricting” has become so mainstream, how so many people are convinced pansexuality is freer, more fluid than bisexuality. how dating a trans person automatically makes u “not fit” into bisexuality.
its just so sad
saw some weird shit on my dash so lets be clear
many of my friends are systems. i do not support “endogenics” in any capacity and if you do, i don’t want you on my blog. thanks
bi is not “2 or more genders” bi is not “with a preference” bi is not only sexual attraction. bi is and has always been all genders. if a bi person has a preference that’s their life but it’s not the same for all of us and it never has been. if ur not bi shut the fuck up and go read abt bi activists and bi history and talk to real bi ppl before u turn on ur phone and waste server space.
pov im the incredibly sexy vampire dyke that you really want to let into ur home and share a lil taste of ur blood with <3
[he/him + hy/hym. lesbian. minor.]
Hey Emma
Alright who the fuck here is Emma Roberts show yourself you coward
soooo when the fuck are yall (the butch/femme tumblr community) gonna start holding adults accountable when they continuously post nsfw content in the butch and femme tags completely uncensored and without filterable tags such as “nsft” and “minors dni”. its a simple thing to do to keep minors from seeing nsfw content in what SHOULD be completely safe tags. im not policing how you run your blog, but dont you dare put “no minors!!!!” in your bio unless youre taking the steps to keep us from seeing your explicit content. its not difficult. do better!