Is it a vocal minority or are people genuinely angry that in Deltarune ch5 you cannot FIGHT Flowery? Because I'm baffled lol
Esp since like, where was this outrage when you couldn't non-fight the Titan/Knight, if they really wanted to they could have made a non-fight way like turns timeout or repeat Unleash X times (both fights end with a cutscene or equivalent sequence anyways which could work regardless). I don't understand why one is better
To be clear the above is an example, I'm fine with both titan and knight as they are, just saying the situation is identical
I can understand disliking that the FIGHT/SPARE system is often vestigial and feels like those TTRPG posts online where people essentially say they are fighting their campaign's system to tell the story they want; but, that doesn't sound like the complains I've seen
Am I the only one that does not care much about who is the Knight anymore? Not in a bad way, I'm fine without that, it just lost priority in plot thinkery to me; whoever it ends up being, I trust it'll be cool, and if it isn't it won't be because it's not X (unless it's, like, Papyrus or Pizzapants)
Just that at this point I feel like there is no clear evidence after Ch5 muddied the water, and all options feel same-ish (not REALLY the same, but still) to me
Like, I still vaguely think that Dess is somehow kind of it, but if we're talking actual evidence and not vibes then nothing really points to any of the good candidates more than others
In other words, as we say where I live, I raise my hands up, we'll see when more things come out
(I'd say what the knight is and why they do what they do is more interesting, but even less ideas there so no point in theorizing with no information for now, go wild with fanfiction though that's cool)
On Deltarune, real worlds, and fake worlds. (Ch5 weird route spoilers)
The idea that the Light world in deltarune is diegeticallt a videogame world, and nothing outside the bounds of the game actually exists now / has existed ever (with last thursdayism in play in the latter case), had been floating around for a good while.
And uh, with the weird route now, I have to give up and jump on that train too, despite not liking the idea for personal taste
To be clear, it's not a bad idea, depending on how it will be implemented when the story is finished, and it already made sense before, I just dislike it IN GENERAL, but I might end up liking this instance depending on how it's written
Dunno, makes it feel like those "and it was all a dream" story twists, which I always found not to my taste
also, related, but I've been seeing people talk about Deltarune like they talk about Expedition 33, and like, they for now have very different points on this topic in their narrative lol
On Deltarune, real worlds, and fake worlds. (Ch5 weird route spoilers)
The idea that the Light world in deltarune is diegeticallt a videogame world, and nothing outside the bounds of the game actually exists now / has existed ever (with last thursdayism in play in the latter case), had been floating around for a good while.
And uh, with the weird route now, I have to give up and jump on that train too, despite not liking the idea for personal taste
To be clear, it's not a bad idea, depending on how it will be implemented when the story is finished, and it already made sense before, I just dislike it IN GENERAL, but I might end up liking this instance depending on how it's written
Dunno, makes it feel like those "and it was all a dream" story twists, which I always found not to my taste
FInished Deltarune Chapter 5 normal route in late night (heh). Spoilers below the cut, even if I'm commenting more generally
Unexpectedly, I was both VERY pleasantly surprised by gameplay gimmicks (2d I adore), and somewhat disappointed by the horizontal plot?
Not really character writing, or inside-chapter plot, flower folk were funny asf very easily, adn even if their design initially was weird they grew on me. But, to risk falling in the issue I usually complain about of fandoms building too many expectations and being disappointed when they are not met, none of the things I expected/hoped to happen, even the ones I thought were very likely, happened?
Like, not FRIEND. Even if pink and gold, whatever, that's not what I mean. Would have been cool. But:
More concrete information on December, as it's the investigation and we see him talk about it, but we don't end up knowing anything
Asgore's development is mostly offscreen? Like, he informs you of the reasons, but I'm not convinced
Other things not in mind rn
And where was the inferno?
I have not seen weird route yet, but even if this issue is solved there it still is kind of an issue for the normal route as that's by far the main one. Also, I am well aware I might have missed things, this is fresh off the press.
That said, these are first thoughts, I'll think on it more after some time passes
Just did Ch2 weird route at like 10x speed with Cheat Engine with damage off via the difficulty mod (needed to prepare a new save for reasons), and I think that's the canon experience
"yeah i know kids, trauma and all, but let's keep it quick I got to go to sleep and I need the save by tomorrow k"
I have noticed a pattern with theory megadocs/long breakdowns or posts
Stop me if you've seen this before
You read a theory post
Seems generally cool and well thought
You start seeing various points that are assumptions spoken as if almost certain and start to feel like "I dunno man I think it depends" even if they are cool
Author starts implying and/or explicitly picturing the people that disagree with their theory as stupid because it's so obvious once you get into it (bonus point if it's a theory you've never heard before reading the doc)
Author ends up saying "since this reading/story element/character interpretation is true, if the story develops in a way that contradicts it then the story is bad" with something that was a assumption, maybe even a reasonable one but still an assumption
As you read it feels less and less as a research of clues or narrative consistency to support a theory, and more the author(s) emotionally identifying with the theory for personal or investment reasons, and seemingly treating possible contradictions as a personal offense
Like, 5 especially is a good way to ruin a story for yourself, people making up the One True Interpretation of a developing story in their heads and then getting disappointed when it's not true as if it was a fault of the story is something I've seen often, even if just in streamers playing. Of course, it can be a fault of the story if it's blatantly leading somewhere and it changes its mind, but people really have different definitions of what "blatantly" means here
I deeply appreciate the effort usually put into these, but I cannot help but feel sometimes the author(s) got so tired to arguing for their idea online that it painted how they wrote the thing in a way that makes them a lone soldier fighting the good fight, leaving me (a random stumbling into it) caught in the crossfire
This is about Deltarune, but I'm willing to bet it applies elsewhere too, say TADC. I don't even have a specific example in mind as I write this, saw this multiple times
Edit: to be clear, I don't have anything against long deep dives in themselves, and in fact they're a very good thing. Just a pattern I noticed in some
Ok uh TADC question as a non-queer dude because I see people unanimous about a thing in the last episode, which I also see but am then confused why they handled it that way (spoilers under cut)
So, trans Jax. In episode 1-8 I didn't see it until I saw the theory online, then it was one of those things where I think "I can see where it's from, I don't necessarily think it's 100% where it's going but cool". Then, with that already in mind as a possibility now, episode 9 seemed way more in that direction, to the point where I generally agree with people that that is the intended takeway (even if still not sure I'd have noticed without outside influence from before lol)
But the question is, and I had that question in mind even during the show: why do they still use the masculine after? For IRL Jax I can understand as different-ish person with probably different life trajectory, but the in-circus one at this point should be clear-cut somewhat for them too, right? Or did I misunderstand what Pomni saw? Or did she misunderstand what she saw? IDK
Especially since this doesn't seem like a "writers didn't want to commit" issue since the author is AFAIK trans too right
Watched TADC finale. Won't say shit, but I liked it!
Am also not info fandom theories or whatever for this series, so don't care about that part
I know many people will hate it but hey, it was going to happen regardless of the ending so
And now watch people that do get pissed do so because of some dumbass reason instead of some actual writing issues are probably there but I don't care enough to think of
TL; DR: I realized Toriel in Deltarune might not actually hate Asgore, and is more uncomfortable like you'd be with a closed one that lost themselves to obsessions.
(wall of text under the cut)
To elaborate: when playing Deltarune, many people including me had a question regarding Toriel and Asgore's relationship, in that it seems much worse than in Undertale where he had killed children (or still, humans, I'm still not convinced they were all kids), most or all of which Toriel had taken care of at some point. So, if it is worse, the question would be "what did he even do in Deltarune for her to hate him even more than in Undertale?"
My initial standing idea was either
It's a more grounded setting than Undertale, so it's probably a more mundane issue that gives a more emotional response, like some closer to life bad events in fiction feel much worse than apocalyptic things like ends of the world in the same fiction
They are immortal in Undertale so they had 100+ years of separation to mull it over, and generally have a perspective further from IRL people (which, by the way, can often lead to issues personally in fiction, what do you mean Ganyu GenshinImpact acts like stock shy waifu when she's millennia old and participated in the God Wars TM)
Then, Ch3+4 came out, and while he certainly does something worse (the am-bush), her reactions still felt off, to me: not in a "I blame her" like some folk do, actually almost in the opposite sense, I had expected her to react more strongly, at the very least least when not in front of him, but here they gave me now a different feeling.
Then after replaying recently I realized... she doesn't actually hate him, in her behavior? Her being mentioned as praying for him by Alvin initially confused me, but I realized her behavior is more uncomfortable (very much so) than angry.
So, what my current idea of their relationship is: something happened and Asgore has been likely obsessed with finding the truth about The Incident (assuming Dess, but irrelevant here exactly what). Likely supernatural shit is involved, which from Toriel and everyone else's POV is impossible, so she just saw her husband spiraling into a bad place, and likely dragging people around him down with him.
And, when similar things happen IRL, someone going into bad circles, having a bad substance abuse issues, or a cult, or other things, people close to them will likely initially try to help them, but if it's no use it's not rare to get away from the person to avoid needlessly suffering, even if you do not hate them, you just realize here is no use in making yourself suffer more.
This reading more or less makes everything about that particular relationship fit, in my opinion. Toriel prays for Asgore because even if she does not want to be involved personally with him at the very least until he gets over this (and likely, at this point it would never go back to more than vaguely amicable like in what's implied by Undertale's alarm clock stuff), she still wishes for him to get better.
Even explains the apparent beef Toriel has with Carol in Ch4: she might be helping, or pretending to help, Asgore with his investigation obsession, and from Toriel's POV in that case she'd be enabling him.
There are still assumptions being made (mostly about the nature of The Incident being supernatural => Toriel not believing it over her now-ex-husband just having broken down after a bad event), of course
Man, I'm bad at not writing walls of text
(Pardon me for possible strange wording, for how terminally online I am English is still not my first language)
The fact the new genshin quest has at least one plot point in common with SCP's There is no Antimemetics Division is fascinating
Was a while since I enjoyed a quest from that game, and this one is quite good (vague spoilers below)
I mean specifically the "the enemy can know everything an thus you must work in the one space it cannot see into", even if of course in SCP it's a far more oppressive situation. And infohazards in general, I guess? Probably more if I think on it
Still got to finish the quest at time of writing tho
Correction as I forgor: bases for the amiibos are *not* by me but I sadly forgot where I got the files, they were free amiibo base models though; I made the Deltarune cover (that is barely visible in that photo) for those + the other bases
Maa people are fighting about UTY clover's gender again
And, though I have no direct horse in the race being a cis guy myself, I can't help but notice in the case of the properly* nb chars from the base game, how all the "it's just a genderswap, it's a common thing in fanart" folk seem to not notice how much more often it seem to happen for them in particular.
I cannot help but wonder why I never saw Dude Muffet without specifically searching it**, but "genderswapped version" of Frisk/Chara are quite common to see without going out of your way to. Truly a mistery as to why.
*as in, more-or-less canon as opposed to explicitly stated to be up for interpretation
**I haven't, I quite like miss Muffet to a Merg degree, was just an example of something I'm confident would never make numbers in a generalist space lol
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