wondering about deltarune and kris's repressed memory that's been indicated
this is just a possibility - i honestly think it could go one way or the other - but what if kris didn't necessarily do anything that warrants guilt, but the repressed memory makes them think they might have? it wouldn't be the first time stories made use of a character misremembering what had happened
it could go either way and kris would still deserve compassion because they were a child at the time, but it is something worth noting imo just for the lore implications. whatever happened it does seem that carol is holding kris's guilt over their head, and yet the fact that kris can't even actually remember what happened gives a little ick that either dess, carol or both use that undefined guilt to their advantage. it could even determine how the story goes
if kris caused or was at fault for dess's death somehow they'd have a larger hurdle to get through in terms of going against her/carol, but would have a pretty rewarding payoff if it's done right. if kris _wasn't_ at fault, then remembering the incident clearly could help speedrun kris's decisions to not follow the will of other people, actually
(...has it been long enough i can stop saying that yet?)
oooohhh i could kiss you for asking me this ty anon
I think if something like that was to happen, which, i wouldn't say is probable but is possible, tricky tony could absolutely pull it off. It would certainly be difficult though, as it creates a whole mirage of other questions that would have to be answered.
Why did the memories get repressed then? How did carol/big bad evil person get a whiff of that, and use it against kris? Who would actually be to blame?
Let's say, for the sake of theorising, The traumatising events causing this rabbithole of thoughts are infact Dess's Death. Say they were doing magic and it went arwy, and dess ends up dead. Kris is the main one present, though not at fault. Perhaps they got attacked by a bear in the woods and dess defended them, i dunno.
// The main emphasis is that it wasn't Kris's fault however dess is now dead and they are main witness/factor #1.
Survivors guilt leads to repressed memories. Repressed memories leads to a larger, guiltier sense of guilt. Suddenly you have a depressed rabid teenager with the internal belief that they killed someone, even though that's not the case (entirely.) That's the summary of how it would most likely happen anyway. We won't know till... something like 2027.... *grits teeth* TRICKY TONY WHEN I CATCH YOU BUDDY. WHEN I CATCH YOU.
But genuinely, i think that would be a great plot point. It would lead to lots of character development, especially if it took Susie and Noelle and everyone else helping kris accept the 'true' version of events. Emotional character redemption arc stuff.
"whatever happened it does seem that carol is holding kris's guilt over their head, and yet the fact that kris can't even actually remember what happened"
^^^
So this is interesting, specifically because of the "kris can't even actually remember" part. This kind of will vary between people, but i don't think kris has forgotten. I think Kris knows what happened, atleast in the littlest bit. It haunts them. Maybe they've forgotten parts of the truth, and it's more of a torment of the things they do know, but all in all i do not think Kris's memories have been entirely supressed and forgotten.
Memories, when suppressed, aren't totally gone. They stay shelved in your brain, except in the very dusty cobwebs where the neurotransmitters have closed off and don't transmit much anymore. They're still present, they're still there, you just can't consciously access them at will. Kris knows what happened, they know the facts, but it's probably more of a retelling of the facts version than a "i experienced this" version.
They know they're (allegedly) at fault. They feel the guilt. They've done something wrong. But that's what they've been told, a outside version that pieces together of what they could actually remember. Fragments of the truth pieced together by a narrative, that probably frames them in a bad lighting to ensure complete emotional manipulation and torment. Joy!
My current running theory as to what the traumatising events are is that Dess knew how dysphoric Kris was about being a human, and tried to help them by using magic/spells to turn them into a monster, like the rest of their family. And it went wrong. etc etc traumatising death/stuckinthecode/carolmanipulation
Honestly, anything could happen. Toby 'radiation' fox has a rampant reputation for taking our theories and thoughts and throwing them STRAIGHT out of the window. (..or maybe it's a curveball because he seems to like writing queer characters.)
In conclusion we know nothing toby is insane and we (yes WE) are insane about his insanity.
(both yourself and anyone else reading these please feel free to ask me more i love yapping about this stuff. me when i get to be publicly clinically insane)
(to the person who asked, if you want to and feel comfortable please reveal yourself! i'd like to moot you- i need more deltarune fanatics in my midst :))
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