at the risk of exposing myself to a whole bunch of bullshit, can anyone give me actual examples of trans women or fems calling transandrophobia dudes shit like "transandrocunts" "zippertits" "pooner" "vagina-brained" "foids" or any other insult that implies they think that trans men/mascs are biologically/inherently inferior to them for having a vagina or whatever. cuz i see yinz constantly talking about it like it happens all the time but, at the same time, never do i actually see trans women or fems ever doing it? so im asking for examples because, if these examples cant be provided, then i think you should stop acting like it does cuz its kind of fucking strange actually
examples of trans women using pooner as a perjorative (and one foid in there for spice). i guess ymmv on whether these count as examples of seeing trans mascs/vaginas as biologically inferior & whether 5 cherrypicked examples is enough to indicate a wider trend. i've never seen zippertits, vagina-brained or transandrocunt used by anyone on this site who wasn't on anon so i can't speak to whether or not those are used by trans women.
anyway, sorry to reply to a months-old post, i'm just adding these screenshots as i couldn't see anyone in the reblogs providing any examples of the thing you were describing, just related stuff. i do realise you're probably not interested in reopening the conversation so i won't be surprised if you want to block. i've thrown this on my old html testing blog anyway so whatever
i genuinely appreciate that you actually understand whats being asked for! and tbh if i were gonna do it all again, id phrase this in a far less definitive and confrontational way, because my issue is less that i think trans dudes are lying about ever having been called these things or seeing these things being said, and more that they're invoked rhetorically with a frequency that far outpaces their actual use and frames sexism as the secret sole motivation for critiques of transandrophobia theory by transfeminists, thus making the total rejection of any critique, no matter what the critique, a moral imperative (and subsequently makes it immoral to approach these criticisms in any other way.)
and i think this is a problem because obviously most of the transfeminists who have these criticisms of transandrophobia that are being gestured at in these kinds of posts are transfems, even if they are not specified to be so in the post itself. i think its pretty self-explanatory why regularly promoting the idea that transfems are politically motivated by a virulent hatred of ~females~ is problematic (to put it mildly, lmao)
and like i dont even think its always necessarily a conscious, nefarious act of malice against transfems when transmascs do this shit (tho sometimes it definitely is)-- rather, its about being careless and irresponsible and refusing to engage with these criticisms seriously-- probably because theyve been convinced by their community that taking these criticisms seriously at all is morally wrong, because, again, theyre being alleged to be solely (or at least primarily) motivated by sexism masquerading as political progressiveness. and whether intentional or not, its blatantly transmisogynistic in an extremely terfy way
and ultimately also, i just dont think that the transfems who regularly do use these terms to describe transmascs necessarily have as much overlap with transfems who have serious criticisms of transandrophobia theory as these posts imply? anyway i think i am done talking about this for now, i hope this clarified my position and why i hate this shit lol
fair enough. i agree that your original post was not well articulated if that was your main point, especially since your original tags explicitly state that you don't think trans women use these terms at all, and imply that you think trans men lying about it happening (or, at least, convincing each other that it is when it's not) is a significant portion of the issue:
like regardless of whether you think that this:
is an appropriate response to a trans woman telling trans men to "not make everything about themselves" and be less "annoying" (i guess that depends on whether you think hyperbole is an appropriate rhetorical device in this situation), the trans man who wrote this was not, at the very least, "hyping himself up" about the fact that there are trans women out there who use the word pooner as a pejorative. that's really all i'm pointing out.