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[generalluxun]

What would you think if it was later revealed on the show that the one who bullied Shadybug was really Zoe, at least biologically speaking? Since it's a parallel universe, maybe Chloe and Zoe's names were flipped.

An interesting twist. I had an idea for a fic (but never wrote) along those lines. Chloe was a shut in in the hotel(kept there by her controlling father), almost no one knew who she was or even THAT she was. She was called the 'Ghost of the Grand Paris'. When Zoe is sent to Paris after losing a bully turf war in New York, she is jealous that Chloe is 'loved'(as Zoé sees it) by Andre. She steals Chloe's name and the story of being the 'Ghost of Grand Paris', sick until now that she's gotten better and she sets about taking over this new school. Thereby getting to roughly where you had things.

The other option I had was that Chloe was a bully from Emonette's PoV, but Chloe was actually trying to be kind, but just not taking no for an answer. She kept being a problem for the sullen/introvert Emonette, because she would not GO AWAY and kept trying to pull Emonette out of her shell, to help her be 'well adjusted'.

[frubble-warrior-129]

Do you’d think we’d have a couple establishing chapters before Zoe’s introduction? For example, Chloe sneaking around during the contest in Kung Food or the school work day in Pixelator to try an interact with others.

Adrian is the only one who’d know her personally and would probably be allowed to visit her suite. That is unless you wanted him to be as in the dark as the others as to his friend’s appearance in the modern day.

[generalluxun]

In my version she knows no one. She isn't trying to sneak out. Leaving the hotel is simply an impossibility for her. Even guests at the hotel don't see her except the occasional glimpse that spawns the rumors. She is truly a cut off child; a little bird in a guilded cage.

[frubble-warrior-129]

Does she view the hotel through the TV in her room like in certain episodes like Antibug? It makes me wonder what the full layout of Chloe’s suite looks like, mostly because I don’t know what the Balcony looks like.

[generalluxun]

What would you think if it was later revealed on the show that the one who bullied Shadybug was really Zoe, at least biologically speaking? Since it's a parallel universe, maybe Chloe and Zoe's names were flipped.

An interesting twist. I had an idea for a fic (but never wrote) along those lines. Chloe was a shut in in the hotel(kept there by her controlling father), almost no one knew who she was or even THAT she was. She was called the 'Ghost of the Grand Paris'. When Zoe is sent to Paris after losing a bully turf war in New York, she is jealous that Chloe is 'loved'(as Zoé sees it) by Andre. She steals Chloe's name and the story of being the 'Ghost of Grand Paris', sick until now that she's gotten better and she sets about taking over this new school. Thereby getting to roughly where you had things.

The other option I had was that Chloe was a bully from Emonette's PoV, but Chloe was actually trying to be kind, but just not taking no for an answer. She kept being a problem for the sullen/introvert Emonette, because she would not GO AWAY and kept trying to pull Emonette out of her shell, to help her be 'well adjusted'.

[frubble-warrior-129]

Do you’d think we’d have a couple establishing chapters before Zoe’s introduction? For example, Chloe sneaking around during the contest in Kung Food or the school work day in Pixelator to try an interact with others.

Adrian is the only one who’d know her personally and would probably be allowed to visit her suite. That is unless you wanted him to be as in the dark as the others as to his friend’s appearance in the modern day.

[strawbebe-dk]

The shit post are a ladder to the real post soon trust

[reigenisbae]

THERE'S NO WAY DELTARUNE CH 5 HAS THE MICKEYS DICK SMASHER PLANS

[godofthedeadlands]

I just remembered a Miraculous Ladybug comic on YouTube with an AU where Stoneheart kills Chloe, and then it was like, "And there were no more akumas ever again," and it was played for laughs.

Now I'm just thinking about how that scenario would affect Cat Noir, because his mom had just gone missing without a trace not even a full year ago, and now his only friend since childhood is dead. He'd be so messed up by this, and it is so interesting to think about.

It would really mess my boy up so bad.

[generalluxun]

His childhood friend is dead, the ONE person who was there for him when his mother died. No one else is sympathetic, this time he's all alone. With no more Akumas there is no chance to be Cat Noir. There is no escape from his home. There is no escape from his father. There is no escape from those marble halls. It's entirely possible Gabriel keeps him home now, even as Gabriel spirals, too afraid to use the butterfly again but a shell of a man without his wife.

Two people children with one blow.

[frubble-warrior-129]

The butterfly effect this event would have on everyone in the cast would be a very interesting deep dive. Cause while everyone didn’t like her, I don’t think they’d be unempathetic enough to think she had it coming, especially because this is the first incident of its type that she just so happened to get caught in the crossfire for.

It also makes me think of how it would effect Marinette especially considering spiraling is her specialty and she’s bound to be conflicted considering how much she picked on her.

[godofthedeadlands]

I just remembered a Miraculous Ladybug comic on YouTube with an AU where Stoneheart kills Chloe, and then it was like, "And there were no more akumas ever again," and it was played for laughs.

Now I'm just thinking about how that scenario would affect Cat Noir, because his mom had just gone missing without a trace not even a full year ago, and now his only friend since childhood is dead. He'd be so messed up by this, and it is so interesting to think about.

It would really mess my boy up so bad.

[generalluxun]

His childhood friend is dead, the ONE person who was there for him when his mother died. No one else is sympathetic, this time he's all alone. With no more Akumas there is no chance to be Cat Noir. There is no escape from his home. There is no escape from his father. There is no escape from those marble halls. It's entirely possible Gabriel keeps him home now, even as Gabriel spirals, too afraid to use the butterfly again but a shell of a man without his wife.

Two people children with one blow.

[generalluxun]

It gets so bad Nathalie sneaks the Peacock Miraculous from the safe. If Chloe's death caused this spiral, she need only live again. Nathalie is no stranger to cheating biological limitations.

[swapauanon]

Another point to bring up, Ivan in canon felt really bad about being the first Akumatization, to the point of feeling a lot of (irrational) guilt over it.

How do you think he'd feel if he killed someone while in that state?

[frubble-warrior-129]

Man, I wish I remembered that about Ivan, cause it would be interesting to explore his psyche as much as everyone else directly involved.

[godofthedeadlands]

I just remembered a Miraculous Ladybug comic on YouTube with an AU where Stoneheart kills Chloe, and then it was like, "And there were no more akumas ever again," and it was played for laughs.

Now I'm just thinking about how that scenario would affect Cat Noir, because his mom had just gone missing without a trace not even a full year ago, and now his only friend since childhood is dead. He'd be so messed up by this, and it is so interesting to think about.

It would really mess my boy up so bad.

[generalluxun]

His childhood friend is dead, the ONE person who was there for him when his mother died. No one else is sympathetic, this time he's all alone. With no more Akumas there is no chance to be Cat Noir. There is no escape from his home. There is no escape from his father. There is no escape from those marble halls. It's entirely possible Gabriel keeps him home now, even as Gabriel spirals, too afraid to use the butterfly again but a shell of a man without his wife.

Two people children with one blow.

[generalluxun]

It gets so bad Nathalie sneaks the Peacock Miraculous from the safe. If Chloe's death caused this spiral, she need only live again. Nathalie is no stranger to cheating biological limitations.

[swapauanon]

Another point to bring up, Ivan in canon felt really bad about being the first Akumatization, to the point of feeling a lot of (irrational) guilt over it.

How do you think he'd feel if he killed someone while in that state?

[richardsphere]

and then there's André, doting father and mayor of Paris. Just because HM and the heroes are no more, doesnt mean that the establishment didnt just see these powers.

Chloe, blond, white innocent and rich. She's exact the drmographic crossection for a perpetual manhunt to find her killer.

And there is no way Noe wouldnt use his press-oligopoly to puppeteer her corpse to for public opinion as the Kingdom tries to get laws passes "regulating" the dangerous miraculous.

France would likely become the first non-super state with Sokovia accords. Chloe, who only wanted to be special and beloved would finally get her wish as a martyr to the "threat" posed by the miraculous.

[frubble-warrior-129]

A problem with this is Noe doesn’t know about her existence yet and he, as well as the kingdom, don’t know that Hawkmoth has gone awol due to this tragedy. For all they know he’s lying in wait till the heat dies down.

Man, this fanfic would go crazy!

[godofthedeadlands]

I just remembered a Miraculous Ladybug comic on YouTube with an AU where Stoneheart kills Chloe, and then it was like, "And there were no more akumas ever again," and it was played for laughs.

Now I'm just thinking about how that scenario would affect Cat Noir, because his mom had just gone missing without a trace not even a full year ago, and now his only friend since childhood is dead. He'd be so messed up by this, and it is so interesting to think about.

It would really mess my boy up so bad.

[generalluxun]

His childhood friend is dead, the ONE person who was there for him when his mother died. No one else is sympathetic, this time he's all alone. With no more Akumas there is no chance to be Cat Noir. There is no escape from his home. There is no escape from his father. There is no escape from those marble halls. It's entirely possible Gabriel keeps him home now, even as Gabriel spirals, too afraid to use the butterfly again but a shell of a man without his wife.

Two people children with one blow.

[generalluxun]

It gets so bad Nathalie sneaks the Peacock Miraculous from the safe. If Chloe's death caused this spiral, she need only live again. Nathalie is no stranger to cheating biological limitations.

[swapauanon]

Another point to bring up, Ivan in canon felt really bad about being the first Akumatization, to the point of feeling a lot of (irrational) guilt over it.

How do you think he'd feel if he killed someone while in that state?

[richardsphere]

and then there's André, doting father and mayor of Paris. Just because HM and the heroes are no more, doesnt mean that the establishment didnt just see these powers.

Chloe, blond, white innocent and rich. She's exact the drmographic crossection for a perpetual manhunt to find her killer.

And there is no way Noe wouldnt use his press-oligopoly to puppeteer her corpse to for public opinion as the Kingdom tries to get laws passes "regulating" the dangerous miraculous.

France would likely become the first non-super state with Sokovia accords. Chloe, who only wanted to be special and beloved would finally get her wish as a martyr to the "threat" posed by the miraculous.

[jeinell]

Alright, now I need that fic, so I could choke with my own tears

[frubble-warrior-129]

Tragedy pulls people in a way many cannot put into words.

[godofthedeadlands]

I just remembered a Miraculous Ladybug comic on YouTube with an AU where Stoneheart kills Chloe, and then it was like, "And there were no more akumas ever again," and it was played for laughs.

Now I'm just thinking about how that scenario would affect Cat Noir, because his mom had just gone missing without a trace not even a full year ago, and now his only friend since childhood is dead. He'd be so messed up by this, and it is so interesting to think about.

It would really mess my boy up so bad.

[frubble-warrior-129]

My brain immediately thought “what are the practical implications of this, even ones not elaborate on in this post”?

My immediate thought was Marinette, as I’d imagine she’d not feel that bad, hide the fact she doesn’t that feel bad, and feel guilty over the fact she doesn’t feel that bad and more so that she could have saved her.

Andre is obviously in hysterics as his only daughter died in a freak magical incident. I’d think he’d have a manhunt for who caused her death.

So many questions raised by a not too insignificant butterfly effect that is killing off a character that important.

[ilikekidsshows]

with how much astruc being petty and unprofessional, added with track record for destroying a character that fans love (chloé), I started to think that astruc made adrien a sentimonster is his way to denying all adrien achievement to "he was created like that" and degrade him to a mere prize doll that do nothing but sing praise for his beloved oc. I mean adrien fans has been hounding him for giving adrien more screen time for years the way chloé fans been hounding him to make redemption arc for chloé. The difference is he can kick chloé from the show but he can't do that to adrien since he's in the title.

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There’s something going on with Adrien’s writing, of that there’s no doubt. Similarly, Astruc has made his opinion on Adrien’s popularity among the fanbase abundantly clear (he thinks people who prefer Adrien are sexists). Like, thinking the writers are diminishing Adrien’s presence in the story specifically to punish his fans isn’t that farfetched.

So yeah, that seems very likely. Like, I used to say how every way being a Sentimonster devalues Adrien feels more like a feature to the writers than a bug.

[frubble-warrior-129]

That’s why I hesitate to give any credence to such accusations of prejudice, even from fans towards the writers. It just seems like an unhealthy justification to latch onto.

[hetslop-or-hetgem]

Adriennette (Adrienne Agresste × Marinette Dupain-Cheng)

ARE ADRIENNETTE

HETSLOP

HETGEM

Voting ended onJun 13

[generalluxun]

I hate the term 'hetslop', we're diluting the word 'slop' at this point.

That said, adrinette is definitely 'they are in love because that is the plot' style romcom romance. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. People like popcorn. You could say the same for Julrose. They're in love because they are the two gay girls. Its that Lezslop? Beanslop? Do you see how silly this is?

[frubble-warrior-129]

All slop and no gems makes the internet a dull dull place.

[ilikekidsshows]

https://www.tumblr.com/vetchtibbles/801714560478347264

definitely about Marinette. Despite having both of the most powerful miraculouses in use you still lost. Despite all the repeated major losses and having an entire order full of people who know a millionaire more things than you you still insist that you're the best of the best. Despite having an entire hero team you still haven't made any progress in finding the new villain. Despite having a gigantic support system you're still a whiny crybaby. Despite having a supportive family you still choose to lie and take advantage of their good faith in you. Despite having the boy of your dreams you're still an insecure stalker. Despite people giving you the benefit of the doubt and expressing their feelings you keep imposing your own delusional aspirations over their struggles in reality. Despite being the literal center if your universe, having everyone eating out of the palm of your hands, fulfilling the revenge fantasy against your idiot of a school bully, and getting rewarded everything even if you haven't done shit to earn it, its *still* not enough for you.

The links leads to a post that reads: "Despite everything, it's still you (derotagory)"

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Yeah, like, this is what I mean when I say Marinette's character really hasn't developed in ten years or five season. Like, sure, her status has increased, as has her power over others, and those directly influence the scale of her fuck-ups, but, like, she's still lying to everyone about everything, keeping things way too close to her chest, whining about things she has the power to change, and harassing girls for getting too close with her man without her permission.

[frubble-warrior-129]

I love how the season 3 finale’s moral is “accept reality, even if it isn’t what you hoped for” while season 6’s entire premise is built on Marinette’s naive refusal to accept that reality cannot be freely rewritten and things are just painful or unfortunate in life.

She had an entire spiel towards Gabriel with the statement including “fixing things on a human level”, and season six has gone on to show that in three season since becoming Guardian she has refused to take to heart the lesson of her failure that day and truly grow from her soft shell that will inevitably be crushed along with her when reality comes knocking.

[drawloverlala]

A little party in castle town

Just wanted to draw something with background :)

[baguetteto]

WHERE IS MA QUEENCHAT!?

I love these two divas, I think Queen Bee, Chat Noir and Ladybug make a very iconic trio

[sufjansjoy]

listening to music in my room

[princess-of-the-corner]

Since we're talking about persona, here's some ideas I had for chloes Palace for a fic I'm never gonna write

For context, this would be the second palace, and the team consists of Marinette, Adrian, Alya, Nino, and Mona.

The team figures out pretty quickly that the location is all of Paris but only discovered it takes the form of a prison by complete accident

The Palace is a strange mix of prison and talent agency with people coming from all over the see the celebrity prisoners performing their hard labor

Alya immediately assumes that Chloe is the warden and imprisoned anyone who annoyed or inconvenienced her. Adrian tries to argue, but they don't have any better ideas, so they start heading to the wardens office.

On their way, they stumble across what looks like a photo shoot with cognitive versions of Adrian and BOTH his parents acting as a prisoner and guards, respectively.

C!Adrian says this has been going on for a few hours already and ask for a break, but C!Gabriel says he can, but they'll have to cancel his recreational time to do so they both start arguing and Emilie breaks down crying saying she's a horrible guard for not noticing how much pressure Adrian is under but immediately stops when he relents and stars praising him for being "so considerent of outhers feelings" the confrontation ends C!Gabriel saying if Adrian really wanted a break he was free to spend time the "high risk inmate" but he freaks out saying he'd rather do labor for a week straight then spend time with "that monster"

After that, actual Adrian admits that what they just saw was exaggerated but accurate but has no idea what that last part was about

Their are similar scenes with Felix and Kagami and a few outhers in the background who the team don't know personally but run in the same circles and Chloe and Adrian, all of them mentioning the same high risk inmate

They finally make it to the wardens office and are surprised to find Audrey is actually in charge they try to ask where Chloe is, but Audrey seems to have no idea who their talking about it takes a minute but she finally realizes who their talking about and leads them to a stage at the center of the prison where their shocked to see Shadow Chloe being dragged onto stage by the head guard André

It turns out Chloe was the high-risk inmate that everyone has been terrified of. Her labor takes the form of impossible tasks she has to perform while cognitions of her classmates mock her every time she fails

"Of course she knows how to do this she just pretends she doesn't for attention."You're just doing this because you like hurting people, don't you!?" "It's her own fault for committing such a horrible crime"

She tries to ask for help once, but André immediately shuts her up, saying part of her punishment is that no one will ever help her

The team managed to break out of their horrified silence, asking Audrey what Chloe did to deserve this, and she simply responds, "She was born"

They leave soon after and are left to contemplate all that

Alya is in denial saying the whole thing is a trick to lead them into a false sense of security. Nino agrees not believing Chloe would let anyone treat her like that even if they are her parents

But Marinette and Adrian tell them how Audrey treated her during the queen bee trilogy with Marinette herself looking back on the events without monochrome glasses

Morgana confirms that shadows are incapable of lies or deception and that Chloe truly believes her very existence is a crime.

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OUGH

YES

Also in general I just. I LOVE Palaces that are a subversion of what the crew expects!!

[frubble-warrior-129]

Parts of this are too much “wish fulfillment” stuff. Her parents need to be less openly cruel, as that’s how Chloe views them. I think Andre would be gaslighting S!Chloe about not needing help if she’s the superstar he thinks she is. Audrey would be too normal, oddly whitewashed, and say Chloe needs to prove herself to be worthy of release along with the fact her crime was being born. Her view of them is warped from reality after all.

Like how Adrian as one of the inmates reflects reality from her point of view, her parents should as well.

[ilikekidsshows]

This is vent rather than ask because Maribug stans pissed me off than usual lately.

Maribug stans remind me alot of Stiles Teen Wolf stans. They're toxic bunch that like to victim blames other characters and also treat poc charas pretty nasty. The amount of bashing in Tumblr and fics is crazy. They also always made their fave darker bff as bad friend and aggressive despite they're not being this way in canon. Hell, there are more evidence of Marinette/Stiles being bad friend but their biased ass always bend over backwards to justified their fav behavior.

While Marinette herself is like more annoying version of Golden Girl from Super Wings. They're both have lots of power they abuse but it's okay because they have good intentions. Hell, they even get rewarded for it often.

Meanwhile Chloe and Golden Boy are also annoying troublemaker but they're more tolerable to me because they always punished at end episodes. And Golden Boy is charge for his little cousin/sister behavior which fair I guess but damn how the hell is gonna keep her from misbehaving when her power is more op than him. Tho, it's funny sometimes seeing him often (not always) acting more responsible when he's with her because while he likes chaos he likes it predictable and controlled by him instead uncontrollable chaos of his sister unstable power.

At least Golden Girl is implied to be younger than rest of the cast and a minor character. Meanwhile we can't even get an episode without her in Miraculous.

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Yeah, like, a big chunk of Chloé’s likeability comes from the fact that, in the original seasons, she gets proportional, logical consequences for her actions. She cheats in a designing contest? She gets kicked out of said contest. She sabotages a cooking contest contestant? Said contestant, once Akumatized, tries to turn her into soup and she gets kicked off the jury. She and Sabrina ruin Juleka’s chance to be in the class photo? They get excluded from the actual photo. Short and sweet and logical.

But, like, the problem with Marinette is that she has, ever since the beginning, been accepting blame for things that aren’t her fault, while not getting as much as a slap on the wrist for things that ARE her fault. Like, her consequences for lying to the whole class repeatedly in ‘Heroes’ Day’? Praise. Her consequences for getting Fu found out by the villains? A promotion. Her consequences for losing all of the Miraculous to the villain because she put them up on cloud? The entirety of Paris cheering her name like she’d just defeated Hawk Moth.

I feel like a lot of fandoms have their own Marinette, a character whose pain is emphasized over everyone else, who gets forgiven by the fandom for increasingly awful things despite them never regretting their actions and everyone who opposes them is seen as the “real villain” of the show. Sometimes the show supports this kind of reading, most of the time it doesn’t. Like, I haven’t talked about this much, but the Vox standom for Hazbin Hotel is scarily similar to the Marinette standom, except the actual series doesn’t support the reading that Vox is a poor woobie being bullied by the mean and cruel Alastor. Vox is the one who started shit first. If he gets hit, that’s his fault.

I wish I could just enjoy Vox’s character but his apologists sound way too much like Marinette's for my comfort. They're literally inventing stuff so that they can claim anything negative about Vox applies more to another character, most often Alastor or Lucifer.

Vox literally has narcissism-based superpowers (the actual clinical narcissism as in his self-perception/power level is dependent on others' approval), but people claim Alastor is a pop psychology narcissist instead (he’s mean and self-centered). He spends season 2 committing various microaggressions and his songs have nods to historical white supremacists movements, but more people post their headcanons about how Lucifer's No Boys Allowed-esque sign telling Alastor to stay out of his room/personal space is actually Lucifer purposefully trying to remind Alastor of the way his community was ostracised from public spaces while he was alive. Vox's human name is Vincent Whittman, literally “White Man” but now we have a new wave of people so insistent that Lucifer is, in fact, the whitest of white men who ever existed, that they go onto posts headcanoning otherwise to say so.

[frubble-warrior-129]

Her taking blame for shit that isn’t her fault is how we got the standom and her not being punished for stuff that is her fault has lead to the plethora of salters we see today.

Where many might disagree with you is the Guardian stuff being a promotion. By the portrayal of the season it’s a punishment she has to manage, and it’s one she failed in managing for tenuous and debated reasons.

Many consider her losing all her allies as punishment enough for failing as Guardian, but we don’t get to sit with the impact of that when she’s coddled from feeling bad, and she doesn’t take her behavior as having room for improvement. Instead she moped and cried about how she can’t be in a relationship with Adrian because it’s caused her nothing problems for her hero work, (something that has remained shockingly consistent plot wise) and the result of all that moping isn’t a steeling of resolve to let him go for the time being. It’s her having her cake and eating it too. The worst kind of resolution for a plot line that pressing, and touching on part of the show’s main hook.