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What I really want to know is when the concept of "Hal Jordan = bomber jacket" started.

Green Lantern: Rebirth #2 (2005)

Identity Crisis #4 (2004)

The New Frontier #1 (2004)

Is there any earlier panel than these issues where Hal’s bomber jacket is explicitly mentioned in dialogue?

I don’t mean just panels where he’s wearing one—I’m specifically looking for a panel where the jacket is called out in the text.

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Geoff Johns writing Batman barely managing a power ring and Superman using one effortlessly—just two months apart—will never not be funny to me.

And this is completely unrelated, but the fact that Hal customized a power ring specifically for Clark is really cute.

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These two scenes from JLA/The Spectre: Soul War and The OMAC Project become especially interesting when viewed in relation to each other.

Bruce trusted Hal with his heart, but he could never trust him with his mind.

In the end of the Soul War, however, he collapsed—yielding to the heart, to the worst offender he could neither control nor restrain.

And inevitably, that trust was soon revealed to be a mistake.

The one he forgave and gave a second chance to was the worst betrayer who had stolen his only true ally—his mind.

What was even more terrifying was that this offender—his heart—still wanted to give Hal yet another chance.

It is only in Infinite Crisis that Bruce finally gives Hal a third chance. And in doing so, he takes his own chances as well.

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Even after the Parallax retcon, Writers keep trying to convince me that Bruce and Hal are alike. But to me it reads as nothing more than a shallow echo of a far more interesting idea that existed before.

The period when their "alike" truly worked for me was when Bruce’s hatred of Hal felt like an extension of his own self-loathing.

They were both precarious figures, standing between good and evil—people who desperately wanted to cross the line.

Bruce disliked Hal because he saw himself in him.

And Bruce refused to accept that Hal had always been, in truth, the one most like himself—because Bruce wanted to believe past Hal to be his perfect opposite, the brightest one.

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The Dark Knight Strikes Again is a comics that will inevitably disappoint if you go in expecting the same level of enjoyment as The Dark Knight Returns.

But if you’re a Batlantern shipper, I think it's worth reading because of Hal’s portrayal there.

In DKSA, Hal is portrayed as a god who became disillusioned with humanity and left Earth. And Bruce is the one who calls that god back down to Earth.

Bruce knows all too well how to reach Hal—the one way that always works: using his guilt, his shame, as a prod.

The fact that Bruce begged Hal not to leave was honestly so hard to believe that it made me stop and reconsider what the word "beg" means.

Not to mention that when Hal abandoned everyone on Earth, Bruce was the only one he left an address for.

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Identity Crisis is a tragedy about realizing that the friend you believed—before he betrayed EVERYONE—to be good, decent, the best and the brightest, had in fact betrayed YOU long before that.

After Hal became Parallax, Bruce defined Parallax as not the Hal he knew.

He drew a clear line between Green Lantern Hal and Parallax Hal, idealizing the former. More than anyone else, Bruce found it impossible to believe that “the Hal he knew” had betrayed them.

Bruce suffered Hal’s betrayal more deeply than anyone. From Bruce’s perspective—someone who constantly stood at the edge of falling himself—Hal was the one person who should never have fallen. If Hal could not be trusted, then Bruce could trust no one—not himself, not anyone else. That belief became the seed of his paranoia.

Of all the people wounded by Hal’s betrayal of the League, Bruce was the most deeply hurt.

And yet, Bruce forgave Hal. He gave him a second chance.

That forgiveness, however, did not last.

Because Bruce later regained the memory that GREEN LANTERN HAL had once betrayed him.

The PAST Hal he believed to be the best, the brightest among us was not fundamentally different from the Hal standing before him NOW.

And that realization reignited Bruce’s paranoia.

Once again, his logic remained consistent: "If they couldn’t be trusted, then by extension, none of us could."

The sense of betrayal he felt again must have been beyond measure.

Bruce also committed a terrible wrong—Brother Eye—but the fact that he accepted Hal back as a friend at all borders on the miraculous.

Even now, that wound likely remains with Bruce: forgiven, but never forgotten. No matter how close they may be as friends, Hal became someone Bruce cannot fully trust at a fundamental level.

Hal held onto the hope that one day his friends would trust him again.

But for Bruce alone, that trust would require giving a third chance to the man he had already forgiven once before. It must have been even harder to forgive Hal than the other friends who betrayed him.

In the original proposal for Green Lantern: Rebirth, Geoff Johns identified a MAJOR moment as “Batman apologizes to Hal Jordan."

Ironically, Johns’ cosmic bug retcon aligns perfectly with Bruce’s long-held belief: that Parallax was not the Hal they knew. If anyone should have welcomed that retcon, it was Bruce.

But in Rebirth, that didn't happen. Batman does not apologize. He retains a degree of distrust. And even when they reconcile as friends again in Green Lantern v4 #9 (right after Infinite Crisis), he still does not apologize—he merely accepts Hal back.

When drafting the original proposal, the fact that it originally included a plot where the cosmic bug Parallax infects Batman was certainly one reason, but I suspect the more decisive factor was that Identity Crisis hadn't been fully conceptualized at that point.

This is further supported by the fact that when Brad Meltzer first presented his writing plan for Identity Crisis to DC, he deliberately avoided mentioning the plot revealing that some members of the JLA had erased Batman’s memories, because he believed DC would not approve it if presented outright. That makes it even more likely that Johns, when drafting the original proposal for Rebirth, simply didn’t know where Identity Crisis was ultimately headed.

Imagine the period after the Parallax retcon. Bruce comes to realize that the friend who had “betrayed EVERYONE” had, in fact, only betrayed HIM. Hal was still good, still decent—still the best and the brightest to everyone.

Just not to Bruce.

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Jeremy Adams’ recent GL issue does reveal a genuinely surprising twist—that Bruce and Hal apparently no longer consider each other friends, and don’t even think they care about each other.

But if we read it as a team-up rooted in the JLA: Year One era, it’s still coherent enough to engage with.

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can someone explain batlantern to me. where does that ship even come from. where are you people getting this. what hal jordan comics are bat fans reading

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I don’t think I’m the most convincing person to explain this myself, so I’m going to point to a very thorough interaction roundup compiled by a Chinese shipper. I’d recommend reading sections I.2 through I.4 with a translator. Non-members can open the post on mobile.

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4953564583821500

I don’t ship superbat, so I won’t pretend to be an authority there—but no, this isn’t just “the same dynamic projected onto Hal.” From post-Parallax up through Green Lantern v4 #9, Bruce and Hal are very explicitly framed as former friends whose relationship was broken by betrayal. After that arc, they’re most often written as frenemies.

Personally, I’d also recommend adding Tower of Babel, Identity Crisis, JLA Crisis of Conscience, The OMAC Project, and Infinite Crisis to that reading list, since they aren’t covered in the roundup. If you leave out Identity Crisis, Crisis of Conscience and The OMAC Project, Bruce’s attitude shift after the JLA/Spectre reconciliation feels oddly abrupt. If you leave out Infinite Crisis, it becomes strange that Bruce and Hal don’t truly reconcile until GL v4 #9, rather than in Rebirth.

Jeremy Adams’ recent GL issue does reveal a genuinely surprising twist—that Bruce and Hal apparently no longer consider each other friends, and don’t even think they care about each other—but if you read it as a team-up rooted in the JLA: Year One era, it’s still coherent enough to engage with.