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(I always will)
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so yeah… el needs you, mike. and she always will.
(I always will)
I get the crush bc if I walked up to my friend and was like "I'm a little scared about this" and they fucking BOLTED SHOUTING to fix it *immediately*?
I'd be in love too, man, I get you, Will.
This whole episode for them was just Will going "*tugs sleeve* (whispered) idontreallylikeit🥺" and Mike going "😡HE SAID HE DOESN'T LIKE IT GUESS SOMETHING'S GONNA FUCKING DIE TODAY! AND I WILL NOT BE TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER🤬"
they are the cutest ever...
so... who else is up missing clouds rn
This isn't rlly an s5 prediction, but I wanted to draw it anyway
211 days until byler endgame guys we can do this 💕
this post is a 100 days old WE HAVE COME SO FAR
There’s an extremely dishonest claim that quite a few use to villainize Will: “He didn’t protect El during the six months in Lenora while she was being bullied by Angela and her friends." They say too "even if he didn’t intervene directly, he should have told Jonathan, and that since El is his little sister, it’s his responsibility to protect her.”
Let’s break this down from the beginning:
1. Will’s history with bullying and trauma Will has been harassed and bullied his entire life—both at school and at home by his own father—to the point where the town wasn’t even that surprised when people assumed hatred might have played a role in his disappearance at twelve. I was bullied for just a single year, and it left me with long-lasting scars. Are we really supposed to believe that someone like Will, who has endured this his whole life, wouldn’t be traumatized enough to hesitate when it comes to confronting bullies, especially when it’s about stepping in for El?
Typically, even classmates who are not traumatized and who have never been targets themselves will still stand by and do nothing out of fear of becoming targets too. Yet somehow, we’re supposed to hold a victim of bullying to a higher standard, as though it’s his duty to put himself in harm’s way?
What’s worse is that the show makes it clear Will is there for El in his own way. He stays with her, accompanies her, encourages her, and reassures her—even if it’s just through a calming look or a supportive nod, like in the scene during her class presentation. When her project is destroyed, he’s the first to step up and say, “We are going to fix this,” and he helps her put it back together. He supports her by being present, and he doesn’t owe her more than that.
On top of that, the Lenora episodes show that Will isn’t hanging out with anyone else either. He hasn’t made any new friends. He’s isolated too. He’s not the one being bullied this time because El’s struggles stand out more visibly, but that doesn’t mean he’s thriving. Lenora, being a bigger and slightly more open-minded city, may have been marginally safer for someone who looks “different” or is more sensitive—but that doesn’t mean Will was having a good time. He and El basically only had each other at school.
2. Will is not her “big brother” They’re the same age. Will has never been a big brother to anyone. And even if, on paper, El technically became his “stepsister” after Joyce adopted her following Hopper’s (fake) death, emotionally they cannot be compared to siblings who grew up together.
Put yourself in Will’s shoes: one night you’re abducted by a supernatural creature, trapped in a parallel dimension for a week without food or water, constantly running from monsters with no idea how to escape, barely able to communicate with your loved ones except for rare moments with your mom. You come back—after barely escaping death—only to learn that the mysterious girl with powers who appeared during your absence, who helped find you and bonded with your friends (especially your best friend), is the one who opened the gate that allowed you to be kidnapped in the first place.
Then, for the next year, you suffer from severe PTSD. Everyone treats you like a “freak” who’s about to shatter at any moment, and the only person who doesn’t make you feel that way is also spiraling into depression with survivor guilt—because of the “death” of that same girl you’ve never even met. When she comes back, she saves you again, but now she starts dating your best friend.
From then on, while they’re together, your best friend stops spending time with you and the rest of the group because he’s so wrapped up in this relationship with a girl you never got the chance to actually know. She rarely even joins the group hangouts. When you finally call him out on his selfish behavior and how it’s destroying the dynamics of your friend group—not to mention how toxic and codependent their relationship is, especially considering she broke up with him—he projects onto you and basically throws in your face that you’re the problem because “you don’t like girls.”
Then, after yet another near-apocalypse where she saves everyone again, this superhero girl who “stole” your best friend—and the boy you love—suddenly becomes your stepsister overnight.
Will and El’s relationship is far more complex than people make it out to be. Of course he doesn’t hate her—El is kind, sweet, and she’s saved his life multiple times. But we can’t ignore that the single event that triggered his abduction, and the entire chain reaction that followed, started with her opening the gate. It’s natural that they wouldn’t be as close—especially from Will’s perspective.
And yet, season 4 makes it clear that in those six months, with only each other to rely on, Will and El did grow closer. Their support for each other is shown through quiet gestures and shared presence, even if they weren’t confiding in each other deeply. You can see it when they reunite in the desert and hug—they genuinely care about each other. I believe it’s Will’s resilience that allowed them to build this warm, healthy bond. He chose not to hold resentment against her, and he accepted that she’s Mike’s girlfriend, even though that acceptance breaks his heart.
3. Will doesn’t even confide in Jonathan about his own struggles Why would anyone expect him to bring up El’s bullying to Jonathan when Jonathan spends most of his time stoned with Argyle? Back in season 2, Will didn’t even want to talk to Jonathan about his own harassment and the “Zombie Boy” nickname. Will tends to internalize his pain, and he assumed El would feel and think the same way about her bullying—which was a mistake, because people process harassment differently. But even then, it wasn’t Will’s responsibility to say something or to “fix” it.
Anyone who has actually watched the show, understands how human beings function, and possesses even the most basic knowledge of psychology and sociology knows that these arguments make absolutely no sense. I genuinely believe these are desperate attempts to villainize Will—to paint him as someone who harms El—so they can justify their hatred toward him if Byler becomes canon in season 5. It’s a deeply dishonest mental gymnastics.
But if they’re so eager to scrutinize the “responsibility” of people traumatized by bullying, then I’d love to hear their take on El, who literally minimizes and denies Mike’s lifelong trauma of being severely bullied. This is the same intense, violent bullying that she herself witnessed in season 1—when she humiliated Troy to protect Mike from being beaten, and when she literally saved his life after he was pushed to the point of (both figuratively and literally) throwing himself off a cliff to his death.
Not to mention the “Mike, I understand” moment, when Mike confides that his chin injury came from Troy, admitting that he’s been bullied and that he lied about it because he was ashamed. Yet three years later, when Mike vulnerably reminds her that he’s lived with this his entire life—hoping she’ll remember that he understands her pain and that she can talk to him about it because he’s been through it too—she responds with, “No, you don’t.”
That line is cruel and cutting, even if it wasn’t intentional on El’s part. Mike literally attempted suicide because of those bullies in season 1, at just twelve years old, but sure, El, he doesn’t know what it feels like…
Of course, that dialogue is more nuanced. El is in a completely different headspace at that point, blinded by her own pain and insecurities. But that doesn’t erase or excuse what she said. And honestly, we should be talking about that instead of inventing baseless projections.
Some people said what if Mike is hurting Will with this whole burn situation without knowing because no one told him... imagine his rage and despair when he finds out.
s5 byler girl dads and miwi parallels can be something so special…
SCREAMS
Bylers arriving at the Stranger Things subreddit after Byler is canon:
THIS IS SENDING MEEEE OMG 😭😭😭
Guys imma get real for a second here.
What are we gonna do after season 5???? What is gonna happen after byler becomes canon? We all will probably freak out for a few weeks, then make posts about how perfect this ending was, and I'm sure some of us will still have a hyper fixation on byler, but most of us will probably move on. I really want us all to stay here on byler Tumblr, but I know how unlikely that is, and honestly I don't want to lose you guys... We've all spent months, years, theorizing together, making fanart and fanfics, bonding over these two boys, and to think that it could all come crashing down at the beginning of next year...
And of course there is the possibility that byler could not be canon, which is like a 0.00.09% chance of happening, but in that case, all of our spirits would be crushed, and we'll still probably lose each other 💔
The point is, I'll miss you guys 🥺 and I hope that we'll all still have something to talk about...
Lobe you nerds, let's go crazy together and stay crazy together.
THIS MADE ME SAD
YOURE NOT INVITED TO MY BYLER THEMED BIRTHDAY PARTY.
byler FOREVERRRRR (in this byler shi for life)
HOW ARE WE FEELING AFTER THAT TEASER 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Wasn't there a "leak" pre-season 4 that Will had a male love interest in Lenora?
And that Mike was going to be interested in a cheerleader who ended up being Chrissy?
That was a wild time, and it's all the more reason to not trust leaks.
Guys, if the Byers are going to spend the night on the Wheeler’s house, THERE’S A POSSIBILITY OF MIKE AND WILL SLEEPING IN THE SAME ROOM??!!!😭😭😭 I would love another heart to heart talk but them looking at the night, and talking about each other’s feelings, like, feeling that tension, AND MAYBE A BETTER HUG THAN THE ONE ON THE AIRPORT😭😭😭 I’m going crazy with byler
jancy s2 parallel jancy s2 parallel jancy s2 parallel PLEASE
I know this means nothing but it means everything TEW ME
“it’s not queerbaiting if byler doesn’t happen” uh actually, it is at this point.
before season 4:
there was so much teasing and giggling from the cast about byler during season 4 promotions - they knew exactly what they were doing and the reaction they would get from fans, because people have always had theories about will being queer (and potentially being in love with mike).
these theories actually started when the show started, but got way more popular after season 2 (where byler had a lot of scenes together all season) and season 3 ("it's not my fault you don't like girls").
after season 4 volume 1 aired:
we actually got direct confirmation from the cast (like in actual proper words) that will does in fact 100% love mike. he’s been in love with him since the start. no more arguing or theorising, it's FULLY confirmed now.
the cast CONTINUED teasing (giving people hope that something would happen in volume 2, especially with how much focus there was on will's painting) and obviously the byler fandom became so much bigger.
after season 4 volume 2 aired:
as most of us remember, volume 2 was a mess and we were all so angry and disappointed hearing mike’s monologue to el and watching will once again be heartbroken and alone.
they literally USED HIM as a plot device to push mike into telling his girlfriend he loved her, because he didn’t have strength to do it without will confessing his own feelings for him and giving him the painting he worked so hard on.
they took 2 extremely important things to WILL that were about his love for mike, and they made it about a straight ship who don't even feel like equals in their own relationship. absolutely horrible. it’s so disrespectful, hurtful and insulting in ways i can’t even explain - doing all this to a traumatised, abused, gay character who has barely had any happiness the entire show is just disgusting, and the cast and writers would’ve 100% seen the backlash and how upset people were because it was everywhere all over the internet.
the ONLY way they can fix what they did in season 4 with how they used will as a plot device, is by making byler endgame. that is literally the only way to solve the messy writing and make up for all the lies and misunderstandings, otherwise it's just one big joke.
mike's monologue to el only happened thanks to will's monologue to mike.
mike wants to be loved the way that will loves him. mike wants to be needed the way that will needs him. this is canon and in the script. will's monologue can only be applied to himself, but mike doesn't know that because he lied and pretended he was talking about el. that's the only reason he ended up being able to say he loved el. it's all one big misunderstanding and it absolutely CANNOT stay this way.
now, years later after season 4 aired:
people are STILL talking about byler, and the cast and writers KNOW IT.
the writers themselves (not just the actors sharing their own opinions at conventions, but i mean THE ACTUAL WRITERS) could EASILY directly say “byler is definitely not happening and we’re serious. we made this clear in the season 4 finale when mike confessed his love to el, so please don't say we didn't warn you”, but they did not.
even if they did, this still wouldn’t change the fact that the monologue only happened BECAUSE OF WILL, but whatever. they’ve mentioned the monologue while talking about the scene, but they have not directly denied byler in words.
why? why is it so hard to just deny byler?
at this current moment, EVERYONE, including the characters in the show (even will himself) are meant to think it’s confirmed mike loves el because of the big "i love you" moment, so telling viewers that byler definitely isn’t happening WOULD NOT be a spoiler. they could easily say it, make it 100% clear so that no one has hope for it anymore and moves on, but they’re not.
the only reason they're not denying byler is if:
1. something IS actually gonna happen with byler and they're going to resolve all these lies and misunderstandings (mike will find out about will's painting and monologue and realise it was never about el), so they have to keep quiet about everything to do with ships/love triangles.
OR
2. they’re leading people on. they're making them have hope so they keep talking about the show and hyping it up, attracting more potential fans and then keeping them all as viewers for the final season, just to disappoint everyone by keeping the straight ship together and not letting the gay kid be with his first true love + best friend that he's known longer than anyone. this would also mean that so much of the writing choices would be absolutely horrendous and make no sense from a story perspective.
THAT is queerbaiting and bad writing.
there was absolutely no point in making will in love with mike if he wasn't going to end up with him.
and no, the issue is NOT mike simply being with el. if they wanted to always keep them together, they could've written their story beautifully in a proper way, WITHOUT involving will. they could've made their relationship healthy, made them feel like equals and made them actually be able to have proper heart-to-heart conversations (aka what mike has with will...), but they didn't. they also could've given will a different love interest a long time ago, BUT THEY DIDN'T. they deliberately made all of these choices, so you CANNOT sit there and blame byler shippers for feeling the way they do when the writers and cast have literally pushed and encouraged it and given us hope even more. it's not delusion, IT IS IN THE LITERAL SHOW. mike wheeler would not have gained strength and happiness if it weren't for will byers in that van scene - absolutely NOTHING you say can change this. you cannot argue. it's canon and it's there.
and even if will did develop another crush in season 5, it would not even be CLOSE to the way he’s in love with mike. that love has been developing for years, and they’ve known each other for so long and experienced so much together. they were literally each other's FIRST FRIEND! you can't get anymore powerful and romantic than that. all the upside down stuff is also a huge part of will and mike knows everything, and even helped him and saved him at certain points. a different love interest in the final season wouldn’t have those shared experiences with him AND it would feel so rushed and like such a massive slap in the face to make him fall for someone new that we don't even care about.
Rip Will Byers you would have loved having byler doubt