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@homoirrealis
i don’t wanna be hers.
i wanna be yours.
Hey, I noticed a thing—
Things I've noticed about ‘You Probably Couldn’t See For The Lights But You Were Staring Straight At Me.'
This is a quote from the NME on 29th March 2006:
Last May? So written in May 2005... aka 505.
Which ties this song to Miles. (It's been said before that 'You Probably...' is more likely to be about Miles than Eva from The Little Flames).
Then what about baby Alex squirming his way around the explanation about what it's about on the John Kennedy Track By Track Podcast? (25.37) Here's a transcript:
JK: Tell us about this song AT: That's the newest one from... Matt Helders: Yeah, from... AT: Let's just talk about it all in relation to time, <cross talk> from old to new. MH: Yeah, how old it is. When did we write this one? <Keeping off the subject of what it's about> AT: Errr. That were a newer one... I don't know... it just... um... <slowly> about someone that we met... <pause> once. <JK laughs at the evasiveness> Erm, but it's got nowt to do with a club, or owt like that, or going out, or any of that, sort of thing, it's more about just like <pause, hesitant> this person that we knew, that were <softly> in a group <big pause> erm... JK: As in a band, group? AT: Yeah, and it.. yeah,,, that's sort of where the words sort of came from... and... JK: Interesting... <laughter> MH: So that's the words <shutting down that line of enquiry> JK: And the music? AT: The music came from, I don't know... MH: I do get to sing a lot on it though so... <changing the subject to backing vocals> I mean, come on Alex - if it was about Eva then why not just say? Or why not say it was about a girl? Instead, we're told it's "someone." To be fair, Alex was talking about the album the week before it came out, so it was probably the first time he'd spoken about it. Any subsequent interviews he says 'girl,' and in the NME from 28/01/2006 he calls it, "a love song." This is interesting (to me), because the song is definitely about an attraction to someone, but admitting it's love, shows how hard Alex fell.
Then there's the lyric:
"One look sends it coursin' through the veins, oh, how the feelin' races" which echoes 505's "When you look at me like that, my darlin', what did you expect"
and
"They don't want to say hello like I want to say hello,"
which ties in with 'Hello You,' which is also a Milex song as discussed here.
Please remember this a my theory. It’s just an opinion. The transcript is how I interpret the conversation. Be nice in any comments. xx
These two....
Glass in the Park
One sweet song and a few random observations
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you know you love a band when you can watch a performance and know exactly what year and probably even what month it was played in just by like their hair
Ok, so I was watching this live performance of "Star Treatment" (killer performance too, definitely worth watching the whole thing) from 2023...
And at about 3:58, there's a bit of a lyric change. At the line "baby, that isn't how it looked tonight", instead of "baby", he sings what sounds like "mon chern" (with a heavy emphasis on the n's in both syllables).
Now, I don't speak French, but to me this seems suspiciously like the term of endearment "mon cher", literally translating to "my dear". However. This is explicitly the male version of the term, directed at a boy or man, and almost always used to denote a very close relationship, often (but not always) romantic in nature. And to me, the original context of "baby" in the song heavily implies romantic connotations. (I'll have to link the Milex "Star Treatment" theory posts I've seen in an edit, can't find them rn)
From my (very brief) research, it's not a term that French people throw around casually. Which, yes, I know Alex Turner is thoroughly English, but he's performed French songs before (e.g. Les Cactus) and his current girlfriend Louise Verneuil is French, so I'm not sure this could be entirely attributed to cultural ignorance.
Admittedly, the pronunciation is kind of throwing me off, especially the hard "-ern" sound at the end. (Most of the audio I've heard is more of an "eh" sound.) But there's no mistaking it for the feminine version, "ma cherie", and I can't think of any other words in French it might be mistaken for - maybe "mon coeur" (my heart), but that has a hard "c" at the beginning so it seems unlikely. It doesn't sound like anything I know in English, either (lol).
Anyways, if there are any French people willing to chime in, either on the audio or any language/cultural implications, please let me know! Very interested to hear others' opinions on this.
Edit: sources below (i forgor)
This is an interesting question. I would say that in France, those sorts of "pet names" are mainly quite strong, and therefore, they aren't
Just a small OOC post for everyone and anyone who may someday rp as France or use him in a fanfiction. An error I often see is a misuse of “
Even if you don't speak any French at all you are likely to know the words cher and chérie - but beware, because their use in modern France
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/mon-cher-ami-mon-cher-mon-ch%C3%A9ri.2494289/
Came across this when looking at historical posts: x
So I decided to see if there was any evidence:
1. Miles was at the premiere of Mortdecai on 19th January 2015. Here he is with Mark Ronson (x)
2. But Mini Mansions did play two days later on 21st January 2015 at Studio 104, for the TV show ‘Album de la Semaine.’ Here he is sort of pointing, but his arm is out of shot:
YouTube x at 2.26
3. But, I hear you cry, is there any evidence that Miles is there? Well yes, from this Myrock interview, posted and translated by @imthejoshinthepack
Link
So, it could be true!
Alex Turner’s quotes about Sweet Dreams TN
There’s so many theories about this song, I felt it only right we see what Alex has to say about it (plus my thoughts / comments about his comments).
Artist Direct Interview, done on 30.3.16 x
It is interesting how he says “the recipient of the love letter” rather than “my girlfriend” or “Taylor” or even “her”.
Also note, “longing for someone,” rather than “longing to see her.”
Q-Magazine, March 2016 x
“That tune actually is perhaps the only one where I sat down and it’s just what it is.” “That’s straightforward that.” (after be told that he seems to be suffering from heartbreak or lovesickness)
Undertheradar.com 18.7.16. x
NME, 11.5.18 x
“All that is, is a love letter, I don’t know how much more detail you could go into.”
Direct and straightforward… okay, so why the line, “darling, I can’t seem to quit,”. Why would he need to?
Translated from La Republicca 1.4.16 x
Interviewer: Is that song dedicated to her?
Alex: It’s a pure love song, I don’t know what else I might add to that”
A politician dodging the question.
Zane Lowe interview on YouTube 2.5.16 x
“It’s about a young lady who’s from Tennessee… so it’s like an un-personification of it, or make it into a town rather than a person”
Which suggests that the song is about a town rather than a person… hmm very romantic!
OOR Magazine, May 2018 - note, 2 years later. x
So it was an exaggeration not something straightforward ? And also it’s related somehow to The Dream Synopsis. Yes, they’re both personal songs, but he could have mentioned The Bourne Identity, surely the most personal song on there.
I think I’ll leave it here.
Love this analysis. 🧐
EYELINER MILES. Can people send me links to past shows where Miles wears eyeliner. I see pics but I wanna see the videos please.
Miles calling Alex beautiful... the inspiration for 1000 fan fics....
Sweet dreams, TN - a song about Miles...?
Hear me out - crazy idea number ... [who the fuck counts any more...] As of today, I'm a firm believer that this song is about Miles... Below is my essay supporting the claim. Buckle up kids, it is going to be a bumpy ride...
1. The first suspect is "You're the first day of spring"... Feminine right? So sweet... If you are as dense as I am, you are probably thinking of a calendar spring - 1st of March... Uncle Sam [a.k.a. Google] says that "Spring “officially” starts on March 20, this is considered astronomical spring as the date is tied to the equinox" Now darlings, who was born right around the first day of spring? I mean you know the drill by now, we are here for a reason after all listening to my ramblings... Mr Miles Fucking Kane... And the girlfriend at the time?... September hm... Interesting...
2. "Baby we ought to fuck seven years of bad Luck out the powder room mirror" He of course is singing about breaking a mirror right? Fucking against the mirror and then breaking it? I mean still possible - not denying that [you do you pal]. But what happens after 7 years - you guessed it - 8 years... The gap between TAOTU and EYCTE is 8... The TBH&C room number is 521... or wait 8... You can also group that differently and meaning changes
"Baby we ought to fuck seven years of bad luck out the powder room mirror"
Maybe it is about taking drugs off the powder room mirror and then having sex... We will probably never know...
3. While we are at it, let me be really naughty here and put some more ideas in your head... Now, we already know that he sang a few times "tongue in the arsehole " Check out BBC Radio 1's Big Weekend What if it is not the only change that was made... What if it was originally "ear piercing"
It's love like a tongue in an arsehole Love like an ache in the jaw You're the first day of spring with an ear piercing
4. If I still have your attention, read the rest of the lyrics It is about a man - let's be real... - I ain't got anything to lick without you baby - do you say that to your girlfriend often? - It's like everyone's a dick without you baby - I mean, come on! - And I just don't recognize this fool that you have made me - people always say that they are like a comedic duo when they are together... I don't see Alex laughing so much with anyone else - The idea that you've existed all along's, Ridiculous - Taylor didn't exist all along, he only met her not long ago.. Miles on another hand - going back to May 05... 505 darlings...
I don't know what to say
Neither am I, Alex...
To wrap this piece up - it explains why Miles usually gets all weird when they perform this song. I would be pissed if someone wrote a song about me... wait, scrap that. If someone wrote the best love song ever written about me and then to make it less gay added 1 fucking line Sweet dreams, TN...
Yours faithfully unhinged, Homoirrealis
Seductive, sexy, sssss…
the (un)gloved hand is important. here's why
right at the beginning of the second TLSP2 teaser, we see it for the first time:
then at the very end miles pulls the glove off a woman's hand. the shot is deliberately placed after the release date announcement, making it impossible to ignore:
bad habits gives us slightly extended scenes with the (un)gloved hand, and from what's going on around it, the glove miles wears promises nothing but filthy fun as if that wasn't always on the menu with those two:
keep this in mind: miles pulls a man's glove off a woman's left hand and puts it on his right.
i found no mentions of the glove in miles's lyrics. the closest thing was a tune he released in 2024 called fingerless gloves, but there are no lyrics in it, none at all, let alone the kind i'd love to sink my teeth into. alex's lyrics, on the other hand, brought the glove back twice more.
chronologically, the (un)gloved hand next appears in science fiction where it acts as an outside intrusion. and alex is determined to protect himself and his love from it.
but the hand of harsh reality's un-gloved the last time we saw the glove, miles pulled it off
and it's on its way back here to scoop you up
but not on my watch
most likely, the (un)gloved hand is a reference to the left hand of darkness by ursula k. le guin. many people consider it one of the most influential pieces of science fiction writing. the novel presents a world where people are not defined by their gender, as anyone can take on a sexual role depending on who they're with, and even grow the necessary sex organs if they want to reproduce. this whole way of being is completely alien to the main character, and he himself becomes an outsider because of his permanent sex characteristics. as he explores the planet, he's forced to confront his own rigid beliefs about sex and gender. he learns to look past some of his preconceptions, but something in him refuses to let them go entirely. if you were looking for reflections in the silver screen of strange societies, this book is exactly that. besides, it was published and won the two most prestigious science fiction literary awards in 1969 and 1970 respectively. remember which musical era EYCTE is inspired by? and maybe we know who was a little too wild in the '70s.
i want to stay with you, my love
the way some science fiction does
science fiction is alex's vision of escape, wrapped in sci-fi imagery. he himself admits the whole thing may well just end up too clever for its own good, and that he just tried to write a song to make you miles blush. i bet miles did go red the moment he heard alex dreaming of a world they could stay together, where prejudice counts for nothing. and the world alex has in mind is ursula's, which makes perfect sense once you know the novel. throughout the song, alex doesn't forget to highlight dangers and send out hidden messages, the way some science fiction does, because those dangers are exactly why the messages have to stay hidden. even so, at the time of writing, alex still believes that world is possible for them. isn't that a simple point about peace and love, but in a sexy way where it's not obvious?
i've come to see the (un)gloved hand as alex's private metaphor for the constant pressure to hide in the closet. every time it appears, the message is the same: the real you must be buried. so must your male lovers. earlier i pointed out that the glove sits on a woman's left hand, and in this context, the woman's hand represents heteronormativity, the role alex is forced to perform.
in science fiction, alex still fights back. but the next time the (un)gloved hand appears, in mr schwartz, the hope for that other world is gone. the tone shifts into something far heavier. after coming to terms with having attempted twice, both incorrectly, alex wonders whether they'll get a third try, but he doesn't lift a finger to stop what happens next.
the gloved hand's reachin' in to hit the switch turner/schwartz
there's no one goddamn thing that you can do about it
here's where it gets ugly: mr schwartz is a performatively heterosexual, deeply homophobic subpersonality of alex, which hates and despises him for every free expression of the real him, because it's primarily concerned with alex's selling playboy image and the financial gain of the people behind it. another spiral, another post. for mr schwartz miles is a threat to his very existence and so a highly undesirable element. that's why after the switch from turner to schwartz clicks, miles must disappear, as it has happened repeatedly in real life.
seriously, listen to the bourne identity again and try to convince me that alex hadn't sorely needed therapy long before those thoughts and self-perceptions were expressed through the lyrics. the bourne identity made it painfully clear that mr schwartz was already a hell of a force in alex's head, but not yet powerful enough to cut miles out entirely. back then, mr schwartz was too busy convincing alex that by the time he's done fucking beating alex up there'll be nothing left to love to bother with miles. obviously, there was no therapy. time passed. mr schwartz matured. he levelled up from self‑destruction to full‑scale sabotage of everything alex cared about, so we had to witness the madness of tbh&c and the car tours, miles and alex's messy relationship after 2016 and alex's terrible appearance in 2025-26.
mr schwartz ends with havin' tea with the grips, the ones making sure, from the shadows, that the performance runs smoothly, and askin' after all the wives and the kids, which is about the most straight and pointedly polite activity known to man. the world where mr schwartz could never have formed for lack of any need of him is replaced by the reality of business coming first, and that replacement of the one thing alex actually wanted with commerce is exactly what lies at the heart of what the business is.
and here's another queer artist whose straight persona makes a shitload of cash, so he's trapped forever in the closet, and the left hand of darkness is right there on the cover of his album:
but back to our two sheep. to understand why miles puts the glove specifically on the right hand, google the original cover of is this it by the strokes, a band alex adores, or if it's already etched into your brain accept this tiny kitten as your reward:
the original cover features a woman's right hand in a glove, and according to the strokes and the photographer who took the shot, the glove adds a kinky edge, and it's just sexy and a bit dangerous. no wonder it was deemed too risqué for the conservative US market, so it got replaced with a sanitised one. what makes the pairing of a glove and a naked body so promising is something i'll leave to the depravity of your imagination. it's worth remembering that alex, a dirty-minded creature, never hesitated to slip into his songs the tell-all breakdown of who did what, in which position, and the morning after. truth be told, by 2013 both of them abandoned any illusion of being proper around each other, so i'd say the glove on miles's right hand is a guarantee of pleasures to come.
the most recent appearance of the (un)gloved hand, at least for the time being, is in a video miles posted for the tenth anniversary of EYCTE. and there it is, near the end, right before that gorgeous rose-petal shot:
seriously, i cannot imagine a gayer nod at a possible happily ever after. watch closely: the glove is on, we get alex's intense stare, miles screaming, and then it all melts into a scene of two beautiful lovebirds about to perform their mating dance. the transition is so flawless i will never stop screeching about it! chances are slim that miles edited the video himself, but it was miles who posted the anniversary tribute, not the puppets' official account! honestly, what was stopping them? and since nothing stopped miles i take the video as his own reflection. and what he chose to show us includes a shot of him putting the glove on, a detail i find telling.
judging by the recent photos of alex and the state he's in, the (un)gloved hand hit the switch so fucking hard it got stuck on schwartz. this would be genuinely depressing except alex, being alex, has this lovely habit of reaching out for miles when he feels like shit, and then the mask slips, mr schwartz can go fuck himself, and alex turns into a needy, sobbing mess, and i mean it as a compliment! dublin 2023 gave us a front-row seat to exactly that, and i truly hope the habit's still going strong.
Holy...fuck..let me breath.
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This video.....
*dies* so sweett
The ridiculous way I watch this over and over again expecting them to eventually kiss!
tlsp- 16/7/16
Just like Julius Caesar he is every woman’s man and every man’s woman….
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