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Tolkien characters as tumblr posts Part 5
hey is that daniel radcliffe?
scale of 1 to 10 how likely do yâall think it is that gil-galad is straight up not in the show
ok this is not serious at all but like. points in favor of gil-galad not existing in the show:
- not mentioned at all in the article despite being a prominent player in⊠yknow⊠second age stuff
- it seems like the showrunners want galadriel to do more fighting and elrond to be more into politics and power. what if they just straight up take over whatever plot role gil-galad would otherwise have had
- in that picture of elrond just chillin he is wearing a ring. now I hope itâs not vilya because itâs uh⊠really plain. BUT
- it would be really really funny
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the problem was deeply solvable, honey bunny
Tolkien trying desperately in letters upon letters and appendices upon appendices to find out why the orcs donât work when frankly it is very simple: you Cannot create a race of sentient, free-willed beings, make every single one of them an irredeemable caricature of what real-world human races you think look ugly today, and THEN expect them to make narrative sense in your narratively coherent fantasy world. You cannot attempt to make high-minded points about the evils of war and at the same time have an entire species that itâs okay for the heroes to slaughter indiscriminately, with not a single thought to prisoners, diplomacy, negotiation, mercy or peace but itâs all good because they have Yellow Skin and squinty eyes so dw abt it
Here is the very apparent solution: either make your Cannon Fodder Species be empty suits of armor powered by an evil spell, or give orcs a variety of inner lives and motivations. Theyâre either people or they arenât, no in-between solution is possible.
The way I see it, all these people creating Fantasy, Sci-Fi, etc narratives want their faceless goon species which basically amounts to 10000 mindless automatons to throw at the heroes so that they can have a cool battle scene and the heroes can be shown to excel at the art of combat by chopping off the heads of like 5 guys at once or whatever. Which is something that I think can probably be managed with some aforethought! But you have to commit to the bit.
You have to utterly, strictly, completely commit to the bit.
They have GOT to actually be soulless automatons. You CANNOT humanize these goons even a little bit. You cannot have the orcs talking among themselves of running off into the mountains to hide away from the slaughter. You cannot have the B1-battledroids crack little jokes and rejoice at promotions and fear for their lives. Because now youâve humanized them. Now a percentage of the audience will sympathize with them. Now youâve got Star Wars review podcasters running their mouths about Droid Enslavement. Now youâve got me ranting about orcs every day.
But, well, thereâs something awfully tame about having your heroes fight 10000 empty suits of armor powered by an evil spell, yes? Thereâs something bloodless to it? Sure, but if you want your heroes slaughtering People, you have to also deal with the ethical dilemma unfortunately. The moment you give your henchmen backstories and feelings and opinions and moments in the spotlight, be they just for comedy, your audience will say âWait a minute. Our heroes are murdering PEOPLE and no one cares. What the fuck?â
I mean, look at the goons in the MCU, for example. We remember most of the one-off villains but, can anyone remember the name of the aliens that helped Loki wreck NYC in the 2012 Avengers movie? No, no one gives a shit about them, we just want to see how the Avengers use their cool powers on them. Thatâs that well executed. Sure, a repeating plot that boils down to âthe heroes smash up faceless goons whom no one gives a fuck aboutâ renders the MCU an assortment of popcorn action flicks, but thatâs what theyâre supposed to be. The 2012 Avengers movie didnât take on deep moral issues, and no one needed it to.
Walking this back to Tolkien, Iâve seen academics use his moments of insight into orc minds and culture in his defense. âLook, he does care!â But it may have been a mistake on his part, because heâs done humanized them now. If we never heard the thoughts of an orc, we would not give a shit. Theyâd be like the exchangeable Marvel baddies, utterly cardboard. So now our friend Jirt is trapped. In LotR he wrote orcs to have thoughts, to even freely criticize Sauron, to long for a life that is more than theyâre given. So why now is it okay for Aragorn and the Silmarillion war crime elves to put them to death by the millions? He canât answer this question and it IS his fault for not thinking earlier. The religious angle by the other post up there also does not work btw
Hhhhhh I got several replies on this back then, and unfortunately none of them are even worth my while, and it frustrates me to this day
Folks rolling up here like âWell actually orcs were made from elves soooooâ like I didnât already know that?? Like I decided to just, head into the Tolkien debate without knowledge of even the most basic lore? Like I did that?? And yeah this is basic, Tolkien had several ideas for orc origins, the elf one is just the most likely one that ended up in the Silm as compiled by Christopher Tolkien
#Tolkienâs âhmm I did a free will crime againâ is deeply relatable#but also it shouldnât have gotten to that point buddy#if they have enough sentience to make war machines then they have enough sentience for everything else#if they can speak to taunt then they can speak and listen#he should have thought this through like ten steps before#and far wiser authors have done way better with his raw material than he ever managed to
God, finally, some people who understand the point of the post
"they just want to be visually distinctive and not a copy of PJ's aesthetics"
ok fine, if that's all. Show me one important (1) Elf woman with short hair then. I'm talking buzzcut, not a bob. I'll wait.
Anyway, there are ways to do short hair that look like they occur in a culture with somewhat of an attachment to hair (thank Tolkien's Victorian throwback hair fetish for that). US marine cut/econ major/tik tok elvis isn't it. If you take something distinctive away you have to add something sufficiently creative in its stead.
Also still waiting for an older actress to be cast as an Elf, as it seems age-blind casting for ageless beings only applies to men so far. Interesting how that choice to make it look 'distinctive' just happens to make it more generic. Almost like they're trying to appeal to a large audience fresh from GoT!
"let people enjoy things"
I am, to my deep regret, incapable of stopping you or anyone from enjoying things (or there would be no superhero franchise or HP adults in existence at this point). And I enjoy hating on the show, so how about;
let people (me. â„ïž) enjoy things (hating on the amazon show).
hope that helps.
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Thinking about the beings that get sent to the Void. Thereâs more to it than just imprisonment or banishment.
They are no longer part of Arda. And so, though the mark they left upon it remains, they themselves are forgotten by those who belong to it.
They are forgotten by all but the Ainur, who come from without.
As time passes, Morgoth is forgotten by Elves and Men. There always remains a vague memory, an empty space, a sense of something missing. Sauron rises as the new Dark Lordâ and he takes Morgothâs place, both in the present and the past. It must have been Sauron, who raised Thangorodrim and ruled Angband, who darkened Valinor, who gave rise to evil itself.
But Morgoth was not the only one who was dealt this fate.
Maedhros had forsworn the Oath and his spirit was pulled to the Void.
Maglor forgot him in the middle of a songâ and changed âotsoâ to âenquĂ«.â There were only six of them, werenât there? He didnât know why he had said otherwise. It hurts to think too hard about it. So Maglor doesnât.
Elrond tries to remember his foster-parents, but can recall only one. Wasnât there another? He must have been mistaken. One is lost upon the shores, and the other⊠no, there was only one.
Nerdanel doesnât recognise the seventh figure among the statues of her sons. It hurts her head. She cannot even look at the face. One day, the statue is gone. She canât recall removing it.
In the Halls of Mandos, FĂ«anor stares at the tapestries that depict his familyâ he and his sons standing with swords raised, swearing their terrible Oath. There is a gap on FĂ«anorâs left-hand side where the threads of the tapestry are faded and dull. If he focuses, he can almost see a face. But he cannot do so for long before he nearly loses consciousness.
They cannot help but feel they have forgotten something important. But none of them know what it is they have forgotten, so it must not have been that important after all.
@samepictureoflegolas thank you for your service
Legolas permanently babygirlified Gimli when he made him sit behind him on their horse. Gimli wrapped his arms around that elfâs waist and became a changed man.
POLITICALLY AMBITIOUS ELVEN LEADER??
ELROND??? POLITICALLY AMBITIOUS???
HE WHO REFUSED THE CROWN OVER THE NOLDOR AFTER GIL-GALAD DIED DESPITE BEING HEIR TO ALL THREE HOUSES OF THE SONS OF FINWĂ BY BIRTH, ADOPTION, AND LATER MARRIAGE????? SPENT AN AGE AS GIL-GALADâS SECOND WHILE HIS BROTHERâS LINE WERE KINGS??? WHO RAISED A HOMELY HOUSE INSTEAD OF A CITADEL??? WHO CHOSE THE PATH OF HEALING DESPITE GROWING UP IN A SERIES OF WAR CAMPS??? WISE AS A WIZARD?? KIND AS SUMMER????