This post is about lesson 15 of the original obey me game;
If you are new to the game, please proceed with caution in regards to spoilers. This is also a long ass post. Sorry.
I should also preface this by saying I've written this sort of in the order of the way I came to my conclusion, so I understand it'll sound a bit like I've talked myself in a circle at one point.
OK. So I'm playing through lesson 15, and in 15-7, we get from Lucifer the real story of what became of lilith. Now, it goes without much saying that the entire situation of the great celestial war and Lilith's not-quite death has put an incredible strain on the brothers as a family. But there are other, more background parts of this that are...... Maybe a bit odd an confusing on a second play though.
Prior to 15-7, the brothers all chime in about how much Belphegor loved humans. Well, all except Satan, but I'm getting to him. The thing that struck me the most was what Leviathan had to say;
*What time period did this all occur in??*
No seriously, for real. He talks about it like humans were at current, modern day levels of function and doing modern day shit. According to Google, the oldest known anime that still exists was made in 1917. And I'm of no religious background nor can Google give me a straight answer, but the fall according to real life was well before 1917.
Oh and I am *not* going to gloss over the fact that this disaster demon has been an Otaku since, like, "birth". Does Solmare really intend to look us in the eyes and expect us to belive, without ever showing us a serious side of him, that Diavolo saw Leviathan and was like "Yup, hand this man a navy!". #GrandAdmiralLeviathan, please and thank you.
On to my next topic; Satan.
In lessons 9 - 12, we go through the whole body swap situation, where we discover (to some extent) how Satan came to be and learn more about the troubled dynamics between him and Lucifer.
It is because of the, shall we say, interesting way Satan came about, that there is room for debate about how integrated the two were with each other prior to the fall. And with 15-7, now to comes into question *when exactly* did Satan come forth?
The body swap seems to give the impression that Satan began life almost as soon as the fall occurred, and yet here we see the younger demon has no idea what's being referenced. I see a few potential problems with this. One, being that we know from Satan himself that though he was no longer part of Lucifer, he retained the emotions felt for Lilith. How could the feeling of wanting so badly to save her and being successful by making that deal not have also been given to him? Should that not be the nagging voice in the back of his head saying something to him in this moment? I find it hard to believe that in all he inherited from Lucifer, that this didn't somehow pass on to him. Because if it didn't, and is was the most recent, most raw moment of emotion, then how has he retained any of it at all?
And this brings me to wonder just how 'conscious' Satan was while part of Lucifer. There seems to be plenty of general agreement that he was 'present' enough to know what was going on at any given point, but it's a headcanon at best Quick correction brought to you by the wiki, stating that Satan's memories of certain people are 'through Lucifer's eyes'. Thus far and to my best memory of my previous play through, it's not disclosed if Lucifer was even aware of Satan before he manifested.
But back to the timeline, I'd like to throw out another spoiler alert for the Devilgram "The search for the self", but keep in mind I'm only reading off the wiki as I don't currently have the card.
It's stated the Satan did not emerge until after Lucifer had torn away his wings my poor husbando, but in Lucifer's flash backs, he still had his wings. Granted, 4. Lucifer's own wiki page states that the removal of his wings happened *before* his deal with Diavolo. The question then becomes, if we take his 4 wings at face value, and the Devilgram as well as wiki into account, should Satan not have been here for the moment Lucifer made the deal to save Lilith?
The only reason Satan would have for not knowing at this point, was if he'd run off the moment he stabilized. And there's *no way* Diavolo would have let a freshly born and rightfully angry Satan terrorize his kingdom. So even if he had run away, either Diavolo or Barbatos would have caught him and he *still* would have been present by proxy of being freshly captured.
Satan not knowing about Lilith doesn't make sense, and I'm dying on this hill rn.
dailybridgerton
areudirty
amandla