it still makes me chuckle every time i think about when this blog was less that 24 hours old and some rando crashed into my at-the-time 1 (one) note post to argue and whine at me, only to realize they were wrong and delete all their replies
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it still makes me chuckle every time i think about when this blog was less that 24 hours old and some rando crashed into my at-the-time 1 (one) note post to argue and whine at me, only to realize they were wrong and delete all their replies
My fellow Caitlyn antis, I made an edit🫵🏾🥹
Also, ignore how some of the texts is late on some parts, my phone was BUGGING when I was halfway into the edit💔
re: jayvik, from my perspective the long and short of it is we went into s2 expecting them to be separated and go into their 40s hating each other and never being able to get back together (based on the pre-Arcane status quo of their lore in League), but instead we got cosmic marriage among the stars as the emotional climax of the finale. so we took it and ran for the hills.
there are definitely flaws in execution, and depending on who you ask there are different parts of their s2 plotlines both individually and as a pair that just fall short of s1 build-up, if not straight-up completely disrespecting it/their game lore, but for the most part we like having the mutual "i've never fit in with anyone here and now i've stopped caring about this place or what anyone will think, i just want you".
that's like tip of the iceberg stuff though, personally i think there's just so much going on with jayvik (and its original league counterpart, vikjayce) that there are like hundreds of different reasons why thousands of different people like 'em so much lol
thank you for the answer! and sorry i forgot to reply for so long lol
i can see the appeal of "the mutual "i've never fit in with anyone here and now i've stopped caring about this place or what anyone will think, i just want you"." i guess i didn't see it that way before
and i totally get taking what you can get and running with it
again, thank you!
okay, one thing i gotta say. this is Not hate btw.
i never saw the appeal of jayvik in season 2. it really baffles me that it blew up in popularity in s2. in season 1 i could absolutely see the appeal, even if i preferred it platonic. but in s2 i was sure that their popularity would die down only to log on and see the exact opposite happening.
like... i wanna know. so if any jayviks see this and wanna infodump, my inbox/dms are open.
it def has some to do with the fact that i hated s2 BAD but also i feel like I'm just not tapped into shipping culture anymore cuz i just Do Not get it
I think the thing I hate the most about Caitlyn is her stans. They preach about how people can’t handle morally gray characters but when someone points out something they didn’t like about Caitlyn they will bend over backwards to try and defend her. You say you don’t like how she gassed the chembarons or hit Vi and they will throw excess after excuse to show that she’s innocent or worse, just insult you or call you racism for having a different opinion. You can have a well-written morally gray character(and in my opinion, Season 2 Caitlyn isn’t) and still have people dislike them for valid reasons. I would legit have more respect for Caitlyn fans if they actually accept that yeah, Caitlyn did bad things and owned up to it instead of trying to examine every corner that she did no wrong. Because like the morally gray character you say she is, she did do things wrong.
“Why is Caitlyn using the gray criticized but Jinx bombing the council isn’t?”
Because when you have all the socioeconomic power and resources there are worse implications from you using them. People in power SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD to prevent ABUSES OF POWER.
Again: Government officials and people put in charge of things should be held to a higher standard. That’s why a rich politician pocketing campaign funds is worse than a person struggling to feed their family shoplifting.
idk what people gain from defending vi for being written horribly...and telling people they "arent really fans of vi" for calling it out
i could never grow to hate her character and never will because i know it was written poorly and in the end she WAS turned into a lapdog for fuck sake did we not watch the same show??? they had her not say a single genuine word of care to her own fucking sister who's been locked up as long as she's been out, whos not been eating and who's dirty, not even having something as simple as a blanket or matress for comfort, and instead have her talk about helping the people that hurt and oppressed them...after her so called "lover" joined a warlord and oppressed their people for six months...you see how that shit makes no sense? having enough common sense to know thats bullshit isnt "being a fake fan" its actually giving a shit about vi's character and wanting better for her...she's ready to kill her own sister over a fucking crime against their oppressors but is ready to go down on the dictator who kept that oppression going??? DO YOU SEE HOW THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DAMN SENSE???
and they always of course chock wanting her care for jinx to be consistent up to "you dont want her to do anything for herself!" mf jinx GREW UP! she doesnt have to baby her anymore and giving a fuck about your own kin doesnt mean you dont care about your own needs dear god...
there were no complexities to her character, she was reduced to a vehicle for a fucking ship, her trauma spat on reduced to DRAMA for said ship...yall are gonna stop acting like she wasnt done dirty and that people who wanted better for her character instead of giving her this shallow cheap writing are "fake".
lying to yourself and trying to bend over backwards for what is clearly lack of care and consideration for her writing is fake fan behavior more than anything...stop acting like her being metaphorically beat up and spat on by these centrist writers is something we should all be defending.
Someone stop me cause I can make so many more of these 😭😭
Watch this unhinged mongoose gaslight baby blue and the audience into believing their crimes are on the same level in real time.
im really annoyed with the lesbians who are like you couldnt even handle caitlyn kiramman and im like im SORRY I dont like the cop lesbian who used poisonous gas on poor people and called them animals and then said her girlfriend who is also one of those poor people was just like them. I dont fucking CARE that her mom died. it was a huge mask off moment and also im sick of lesbian cop characters in general also we can recognize shes a complex character and realize she is not actually *good* representation
she's privileged and classist and a damn cop who enacted a war crime on poor people and I dont CARE if "they were criminals" dont piss me off
vi baby find a better girlfriend. I'll treat you right 💔
it would have been BETTER to see her give up her badge after realizing how poorly the system actually treated the undercity
"you're not a real lesbian if you dont like caitvi" sorry I dont fuck with republicans even if they're women who eat box
lets talk about how caitlyn actually spit in the face of her mom's legacy by using the poison gas on the under city after her mom put those vents in place
and then she got away with it 😭💔
How it feels to explain gas physics and basic laws to a Caitlyn defender/apologist
Caitlyn apologists in the big 2025 are a red flag to me, sorry gang.
You can love a character and not have to defend every single action they do.
Like if I have to explain to someone one more time that the Grey does not pick and choose who to affect and that it, in fact, spreads like actual gas I’m going to crash out
Oh and don’t even get me STARTED on the double standard between Caitlyn and Jinx
According to Amanda Overton
Cait hitting Vi in act 1 made her feel less alone as Cait made the same mistake she made with powder 😀
No , JUST NO!
15 yr old Vi losing her temper after just seeing her family’s dead bodies , slapping powder , immediately regretting it , walking away to calm down and then when powder was in danger Vi rushes to her , she doesn’t leave powder , she’s taken away from her
Is VERY Different
From 23-22 yr old Caitlyn hitting Vi with a butt of rifle , NOT in the heat of the moment , after she stopped her form shooting a child and Cait seeing Jinx ,NOT regretting it immediately, Leaving Vi , NOT going back to Vi , NOT checking on Vi for 6 months
The PARALLEL DOES NOT WORK! They’re SO DIFFERENT in CIRCUMSTANCES!
“Oh Caitlyn just saw her mother’s killer!” Vi and powder used to see their parents killer almost everyday, Enforcers , you don’t see Vi lose her temper on powder.
Amanda stay away from Vi , I don’t want none of the arcane s2 writers talking about Vi anymore.
Babe, you did the WRONG thing for the WRONG reason.
"Oh, you think having a wealth gap makes a couple inherently toxic? Sounds like YOU'RE the classist!"
That's a sentiment I see Caitvi superfans use a lot. It dulls down the discussion surrounding what makes Caitvi so unhealthy by the time the show's reached its end. But that's not where the criticism inherently comes from, so I kinda wanted to make a post about it to untangle the webs of what I believe makes Caitvi's "happy" ending ring hollow from a narrative standpoint, as well as why so many in the critical tags see it to be upholding an unhealthy power dynamic rooted in classism.
People praising the show for giving Caitlyn an uncharacteristic dictator arc as if it didn't rob her of her actual characteristic detective skills. Arcane Cait is an awful detective. Let's take a look at some of her stellar performances:
1) She doesn't suspect Marcus of corruption even though he shut down the investigation into the Hexgate Shimmer smuggling and kept it a secret from Jayce. In fact, when Jayce shows confusion about the Hexgate smuggling incident, she responds with "keep up", instead of "Marcus didn't tell you, the creator of the Hexgate, about the smuggling operation that took place there? Strange." Later Ekko tells her point blank that enforcers are working for Silco and she refuses to even open her mind to the possibility, despite knowing of Marcus's shady behaviour. Marcus ominously blocks them on the bridge, Ekko tells her again no, and she once again ignores him, and signals him to show the gemstone to Marcus, which gets Ekko shot. Only when the gun is pointed directly at her face does she realize Marcus is corrupt. El Em Eff Ay Oh.
2) How about her investigation into Silco and Jinx? Let's see, Caitlyn goes to Stillwater to uncover the culprits behind the recent crimes in topside and... and... Vi just tells her point blank that it's Silco. Okay, but she still needs to actually find out the name Jinx right? What intelligent detective work does Caitlyn pull off? She... follows Vi around while Vi solves the case for her. Vi gets the lead from Jericho, Vi takes her to the brothel, then later Vi just. tells her the name she got from Sevika. Vi just tells Cait Jinx's name. Then proceeds to lead Caitlyn directly to Jinx. Ok. So Vi solved the Silco and Jinx case for Caitlyn. At least Caitlyn figured out that the Hexgate Shimmer smuggling and the Progress Day bombings were committed by the same person................. because Jinx kindly left her extremely distinctive graffiti everywhere at both crime scenes.
3) Okay but SURELY after realizing Marcus is corrupt, Caitlyn would connect the dots that he may have been lying all along about how Grayson died? You know, Grayson, her beloved mentor, who mysteriously died brutally in the Undercity, after which she was succeeded by her corrupt second-in-command who works for Shimmer kingpin Silco? Does Caitlyn put 2 and 2 together and realize that whatever account Marcus gave of Grayson's death was false? Nope, because the show completely forgets about Grayson.
4) Okay, now it's Season 2's turn. Renni attacks the supposedly highly secure memorial. The Councilors discuss how this could have happened and conclude that she must have had help from a traitor amongst their ranks who wants to stoke the flames of war. Caitlyn shows up boasting about being a decorated officer. And she doesn't suspect Ambessa, the Noxian warlord who is very invested in the militarization of Hextech and the person in the room who would benefit the most from all-out war between Piltover and Zaun. Caitlyn will end up as Ambessa's protégé for months after this and the memorial attack will never be mentioned again.
5) Caitlyn then gets seduced by Noxian spy Maddie and bangs her for months, never once suspecting her. I mean, maybe Maddie really is just that good, but I still find it hilarious that this is the SECOND time Caitlyn realizes one of the enforcers is corrupt only when they point a gun directly at her head. This you, Cait?
6) Caitlyn spends months enacting martial law in Zaun and relentlessly searching every nook and cranny for Jinx. MONTHS. And she is never able to find her despite Jinx spending her time playing bug battles at home. When Jinx is finally arrested, it's because she surrendered.
7) Well, at least she figured out that Singed summoned Warwick to the prison.................... because Singed kindly stayed behind in his cell to get caught. Man, all these criminals are so kind to do Caitlyn's job for her <3
The ONLY mystery she actually solves entirely on her own without getting the answers literally handed to her, is that Singed is Corin Reveck. And even with that she inherited half the information in her mother's archives. Arcane Cait has the shrewdness and cunning of a 12-year-old. Almost every single mystery she faces either gets forgotten about (who let Renni in the memorial, how did Grayson die), or gets solved by another character (Vi tells her about Silco and Jinx, Ekko tells her about Marcus). Almost all the criminals she faces willingly expose themselves to her (Marcus and Maddie), or willingly get caught (Singed and Jinx). The show strips Caitlyn of her canonical strength from the game (her sharp detective mind), to force her into an unnecessary dictator role that demands her brain be smooth enough to get easily manipulated by Ambessa.
"She deserves her Dyketator era" and does Dyketective mean nothing to you?
“Vi found family in Caitlyn”
WHAT DO YOU MEANNN AMANDA,, VI HAD FAMILY THAT CAITLYN EITHER TOOK HER AWAY FROM AND/OR TRIED TO GUILT HER INTO KILLING/OTHERWISE HARMING
AMANDA PLEASE BE FR 😭😭
Another example of the writers blatant misunderstanding of Vi's core characteristics is calling her the "violent one" in opposition to Caitlyn's more cool headed temperament.
Strengh is Vi's greatest asset. It's what she uses to protect the people she cares about because in a place like Zaun, they have to utilize everything they have to survive. Vi by far, has the most fight scenes, but none of them are her acting on her temper and inflicting senseless violence. Throwing punches is not her knee-jerk reaction. Even during her first fight scene, where mind you, she's only 15, Vi only swings first because she knows her family is in danger.
Someone will come and argue that her fight with Sevika is her acting on emotions because she does literally knee her in the face, but it is still very much an equal fight. She doesn't strike when Sevika is down. Basic fighting etiquette still applies despite her personal feelings. The reason she searches for Sevika in the first place is because she wants information about Powder. Vi and Sevika are narrative foils (at least in season 1), Sevika stands in the way of all Vi is trying to achieve. Them clashing is not just out of Vi's want for revenge and the anger she holds.
Vi hitting Powder is the only non purposeful act of violence Vi inflicts, and it's only when she's faced with a very traumatic event.
When looking at both seasons as a whole, the contrast doesn't work, because who is the person who's shown prone to going to extremes, reacting with anger and violence as a response to being called out and opposed? Or just displaying unnecessary, unapologetic violence?
Yeah...
(Even though portraying Caitlyn as violent by the show is also a mischaracterization on writers part)
Looking at Vi as violent and hot tempered because "she fights a lot" is a very surface level way to look at her character, which is a reoccurring thing in the writing of season 2. Vi's display of violence is not brash and reckless. It's a tool. A tool she was taught to use because in Zaun, using everything in your disposal is a necessity. Even then, her fights are fair, often strategic. Vi doesn't just lash out on people as an emotional response, but seeing that required more than two second look at her character, which the writers apparently didn't wanna do.