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Carol (2015) and the Symbolism of the Colour Red
So, a good friend @keltylavenderdennis, pointed out that the only times Carol isn’t wearing red is when she is actively trying to distance herself from Therese.
When Carol first meets Therese only her lips and fingernails are painted red, this could indicate the beginning of the relationship between the two women; it’s the moment where Therese first enters Carols world.
When Carol meets with her lawyer, and when she visits Therese’s house for the first time, she is wearing the most red that she’s ever wearing in the entirety if the film (the giant coat, her lips her fingernails, and some details in her suit are all red). This is also the moment in the film when she is the most removed she’s ever been from Rindy and Harge, but she is even closer to her potential future with Therese (the injunction being the deciding factor in her decision to take Therese West with her).
When shes trying to remove herself from Therese shes not wearing red, at all, ever. Even after the night at Waterloo, Carol’s wardrobe has a distinct lack of red in it (notice the night before Carol was wearing a red, plaid, robe). In fact, her wardrobe becomes devoid of any bright colours.
When she meets Therese for tea during the last scene, we notice that her lips and fingernails are once again painted red because, although they are not technically meeting for the first time, they are both different people at this point in their lives and they still want to be together to start their relationship anew.
social spaces in Carol
A friend of mine saw Carol and did not respond strongly to the film. In particular, she did not resonate with Therese. I thought I would write up what I talked through with her and write a post about how social spaces affect the way everything feels and plays out in this film. In general, those social spaces in which the love between Carol and Therese emerges during the film would typically snuff out a love relationship like this one or, at the very least, alter and restrict the form it wanted to take into something else, something less threatening to the status quo. That active suppression creates a mysterious quiet for some viewers and an incredibly loaded tension for others.
Therese reads the same way. The “ambiguity” of Therese’s desire doesn’t seem ambiguous if you either understand the dynamic of finding your deepest longings at odds with the social spaces around you from life experience or can readily interpret the language of film and watch closely. Her desire is held in the body and struggles to emerge into the surrounding social space; if you simply take care to notice how she is breathing or holding her body, you will see it. It’s also held in her attempts to maintain privacy surrounding her actions; that she sends Carol her gloves alone at night, hides for whom she is buying the record. And it’s held in those nuanced communication that take place between people who share an affinity for one another and cultivate intimacy; those details of touch, word, and gesture comprise some of the most beautiful moments in the film like Carol touching Therese’s shoulders at the piano and Therese smelling Carol’s perfume. Her desire is also built into the film narrative; the way that snow begins to fall the moment Therese agrees to go on the trip with Carol, the way the scene of Carol doing Therese’s make-up feels so evocative of a love scene.
Cars and hotels provide the two most sheltered spaces for the love to develop on its own terms during this film. Their own homes, restaurants, and even phone calls we see constantly interrupted, and their relationship obscured and reshaped to conform to expectations, largely the expectations of men (with Harge’s mother serving as a nice inclusion of a woman actively engaged in acts of oppression, a little reframing to show that this film is not about the inherent goodness/badness of women/men and, in fact, knows what it’s about, often a whole lot better than its reviewers do). Even Carol’s invitation to go traveling takes place on a rooftop in the cold of winter, a social space they occupy outside of what’s usual.
The dramatic crisis of the plot is when we find those sheltered spaces intruded upon. Another traveler proves to be a surveillance man sent after them. That’s perhaps the worst moment in the film, when after a rather tender and profound love scene fades into a whirl of blurred images still with rather clear and distinct sound, we find out that someone has eavesdropped upon their love affair. Their lack of power afterwards feels crushing, as the imposition of mainstream society gets the weight of legal authority behind it. The legal system becomes the sight of conflict, a structural imposition of normalcy upon the two of them. Even the attempted phone call, we fear, may not be private. Even Carol’s home, we fear, may not be a space where she can talk freely with Abby.
Two scenes define the excellence of this film for me. The first is the rather tragic and beautiful love scene that takes place after they discover they’ve been recorded. They know they are not being pursued anymore, because they’re had. Even in that small opening of space, under the intense strain and mutual distress they’re experiencing, their love seems to take shape again like a delicate and infinitely powerful life force waiting for any opportunity to be born. We get the most elegant shot of them lying together afterwards. It’s one of those images that conveys a profound and intricate meaning that would sound trite if put into words, one of those moments when film as a medium shows what it can do best by evoking so much so poignantly in a brief and living image.
The second is at the very end when we see Therese leave a social space in which she seems to have a relative sense of belonging and comfort. And then for the first time, we see her actually intrude upon a social space to get to Carol as she brushes past the ruffled manager at the front and makes her way past all the tables. The subtlety of their shared look in that moment feels like a massive victory – what they had was not destroyed and even more space has opened up to them now. The idea of Carol’s apartment stuck with a lot of viewers who loved the film as the promise of a place where they could be together, uninterrupted and no longer intruded upon. Because we have faith that this is all their love needs to open out and flourish and evolve into a mature version of what we’ve already seen proven powerful, resilient, meaningful, and beautiful.
abby: huh, therese is probably gonna be asleep for awhile
abby: what if I just…color coordinated my outfit with this chair….
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This was probably intentional because costume designers are super conscious of colors and how characters costumes interact with the colors of the set. And Todd Haynes is also super intentional about everything he puts on screen.
But I can’t quite figure out what would be the point of matching Abby’s clothes to this set.
My first thought was that maybe this was some sort of symbolism for her character?
As in, she’s background to Therese’s and Carol’s relationship. And not trying to say background in a negative connotation but background because even though she’s not part of their ‘coupling’ she’s there for support and she fits into their world.
My analysis now sounds ridiculous because she’s literally matching with a chair but thinking about it she matches gracefully. She’s just sitting there in the corner and doesn’t look out of place within the room (considering the circumstances)
This is total bs and makes no sense but just a quick thought I had
Oh my god it makes TOTAL sense. She’s there, in the background. She fits in, she’s important, but she doesn’t stand out. You’re so right.
Love this scene.
Go to bed with Cate Blanchett, wake up naked with Sarah Paulson matching the furniture, smoking a cigarette.
i just watched an interview with carter burwell where he was talking about creating the soundtrack for Carol and he said that in the opening title and end credit scores the two prominent woodwinds were representative of therese and carol (therese by the flute and carol the clarinet) and now i know for a fact that this is the greatest and most carefully thought out film in existence
Carol = clarinet
Therese = oboe
Music to my ears.
so in watching Carol 2015 in 35mm I basically got to see it the way it really should be seen. There’s something about watching a film like Carol, a film already filled with aesthetic and accuracy, with the bonus authenticity. The sound of the film whirring, the flickers of dust and dirt across the image, the depth of field.
The moment thats surreal in the car as they travel to Carol’s through the tunnel? Oh god, while already my favourite part, it killed. Every single part just felt magnetising, and the acting God, somehow different and somehow the same just… more. I can’t truly explain it, but when I say it was inspiring I don’t say it to be glib.
If you have a chance to see it as God intended and you’re unsure, this is my urging to you: Go see it. You sincerely won’t be disappointed. The moment the title screen hits you and you have CAROL on screen dancing as the film settles? Well it’s a feeling that you’re about to witness something truly amazing, and you do.
Question/ discussion Carol end scene
Since I have watched Carol (4x) something keeps nagging and it’s about the end scene in both novel and film.. Somehow Carols reaction doesn’t feel quite right. OK, the story has a happy ending. We all know and agree how fucking important and revolutionary that is! No doubt about that at all! But let’s go back to the tea scene. Carol’s just opened up to Therese; she can’t be more vulnerable. And Therese has turned her down! Carol’s hopes on a life together with the love of her life shattered, gone, in pieces. Look at the pain and agony in Carol’s eyes when she whispers “Well, that’s that.” It wouldn’t have been over-dramatic at all would she have made a run to the toilet and throw up, after her conversation with Therese having been interrupted. Then, later in the Oak Room, how can you chat with friends, politely smiling, with your heart being broken just a few hours earlier? Carol surely must have given up on Therese showing up. No chance on that. It’s over. She knows that. When she finally spots Therese, walking into her direction, Therese looking at her so intensely, with her eyes expressing so much love and longing, I mean, it’s a complete roller coaster for Carol, how can she manage a controlled smile and even a wave ( in the novel)? Ok, it’s the 50s, I understand. She can’t jump at Therese and kiss her passionately. But wouldn’t it have been more in line with Carol’s extreme shift in emotions that evening, when she at least would have begun trembling, spilling her Martini or throwing something over? I would love to hear your views on this, especially from @employee645-a, @itwouldbecarolinathousandcities, @thenerdychook, as you write such great fanfic.
Carol is so sad, so desperate when she meets Therese for tea, and Carol is the one noticing Therese’s entrance. Then, in the Oak Room, it’s hard to fully gauge her looks as everything is from Therese’s perspective and it’s about Therese looking for Carol. I guess it’s sweet in a way because we don’t have to see Carol sitting at the table of acquaintances being sad or putting on a brave face despite being completely shot down by Therese.
To me, Carol at the end, has that extreme moment of happiness where you just don’t know what the hell you are going to do with yourself. It’s almost that moment just before she slides across the table and takes Therese into her arms to embrace her.
It’s totally: 𝄞 Had you been there tonight you might know how it feels / To be struck to the bone in a moment of breathless delight…
I’m still not over Carol’s line when she says over Therese’s naked body, “I never looked like that.” It’s such a poignantly wlw thing to say. M/F couples will never experience this comparison, seeing only their differences mirrored in their differently gendered bodies. But women, my god, women, we will always have these comparisons. Not in a bad way, but every woman you encounter intimately will be a direct mirror of your similarities and your differences. You see the same outline but the details have been filled in differently. The curves are different, the constellation of freckles arranged themselves differently, the weight of your breasts falls differently and in different sizes… Every woman I’ve been with has had a different body than me and I find myself making the same statements, “I’ve never looked like this, I’ll probably never look like this.” Even in non-intimate ways, women are still comparing our bodies. I recall my mother stating when I was 16 or so, “I was skinnier before I had you kids, but I never looked like you.” These bodily comparisons are not innately bad, they’re just natural among women and I think that including a line like that in Carol 2015 was hugely telling of the fact that this is a story FOR women and ABOUT women–which of course is what makes the novel/movie so wonderfully revolutionary. The small details of this film are like small nods and reminders that this is for us. For once, it’s just for us.
I keep thinking, how would I feel if I said something along the lines of “I never looked like that” to someone, in that same set of circumstances?
I would say it because I am feeling down about myself, my situation, and (mainly) my appearance. I know I would be bluntly realistic with myself that if I were actually with someone, that other person would be far more attractive than I ever could be. Not to mention I would want them to know I think they are absolutely stunning, even if I am, well, just me.
“I never looked like that” is one of the most real lines a woman has ever said in a movie, but it makes me have the absolute worst internal thoughts about body image.
Okay but imagine all the conversations Carol and Therese had while roadtripping to Iowa. We don’t see them all in the movie or the book, but there were hours and hours they were alone together in the car.
I just like to think about the stuff they talked about- mundane, profound, silly, serious, all of it.
I want to write this.
Carol asking Therese “is that what comes of getting away from me?” is literally the most telling thing about her character. She doesn’t think that she is good for Therese, that she can do better without her, and she believes Therese hates her so she takes a jab at herself to test it. She is literally playing all her cards because what if Therese had said yes? That she does hate Carol? Everything would be over before it began. Carol is a brave character who doesn’t believe it because to her Therese is the bravest person and she is nothing like Therese, she is only madly in love with her.
There’s my heart, all crumbled up and discarded on the table.
A few thoughts on Carol (2015)
I’ve probably watched Carol about 100 times since it was released on iTunes, having first seen it in the movie theater. I’m always struck by the perfectly executed see-saw between Carol’s demeanor and Therese’s. At the beginning, we see a fully colored, richly detailed Carol: strong, confident, swaggering, almost predatory in her approach to Therese. In contrast, Therese is a mere sketch, no sense of the depth that lies inside. Not that she’s weak or lesser — we just can’t see what Therese is. Toward the end, starting with the scene at Carol’s house with Abby, we see a broken Carol, aware that she has lost everything that she cared most about — Rindy and Therese. It’s writ starkly on her face and in her eyes. At almost the same time, we see a new Therese, striding confidently toward her future, now wearing the strong red that used to mark Carol. I see the unspoken “I miss you” phone call as the point of pivot: Carol sinks as Therese begins to rise. Carol’s increasingly desperate attempts at forcing a “yes” from Therese at the Ritz signal her crashing to the ground. Therese’s white-hot fury in that scene is one of of my favorite scenes ever: any movie, any actor, ever. It’s magnificent. As she walks across the floor at the Oak Room, balance is restored and Carol and Therese can see each other as equals, on the same level at last.
Easy Living is a beautiful and romantic song but everyone forgets that Therese gave Carol the entire record and literally the other songs on it are:
“I Wished On The Moon” - “I wished on a stars to throw me a beam or two I begged of a stars and asked for a dream or two I looked for every loveliness, it all came true I wished on the moon, wished on the moon for you I wished on the moon for you”
“If You Were Mine” - “ If you were mine I would live for your love alone To kneel at your shrine I would give up all that I own Yes, even my heart Even my life I’d trade it all for you And think I was lucky too If you were mine”
“Foolin’ Myself” - “And ev'ry time I pass And see my face in a looking glass I tip my hat and say “How do you do, you fool You’re throwing your life away” I’m acting gay I’m acting proud And every time I see you in a crowd I may pretend But in the end I’m just foolin’ myself”
“When You’re Smiling” - “ When you’re smiling When you’re smiling The whole world smiles with you When you’re laughing When you’re laughing The sun comes shining through But when you’re crying You bring on the rain So stop your sighing be happy again Keep on smiling ‘Cause when you’re smiling The whole world smiles with you”
Therese literally gave Carol a love letter in musical form, pouring her heart out one lyric at a time and they listened to it together in a hotel room while doing each other’s makeup, that is so warm and beautiful
I kind of wonder how Carol and Therese get to the point where Carol is doing Therese’s makeup on the floor of the McKinley motel. I like to think that it’s because while they’re there Therese makes some not-so-subtle comment about how she’s never loved the color red more than when she sees it on Carol’s lips. Carol laughs off the comment and asks Therese if anyone’s ever properly shown her how to do her makeup. And Therese admits that no, no one really has. And then in That Voice™ Carol says “here, let me show you.” Therese tries to hide how excited she is at the suggestion but inside she can’t wait for the excuse to be so close to Carol, and it’s everything that she can do not to smile ear to ear as Carol gently holds her and brushes against her lips and her lashes and her cheeks as she does Therese’s makeup for her.
This is exactly how lesbians can get pregnant.
“The romance between Carol and Therese is also explored visually through the use of color, as their initial meeting and subsequent encounters associate their union with the appropriately festive colors of red and green.
Initially, it is Therese who wears the more grounded and tranquil green, befitting her serene and docile persona, while Carol – at first playing the role of the beguiling temptress – is often clad in the more passionate color red.
As their relationship grows however, we see these colors interchanged and shared between them as they grow to know one another more intimately and develop a profound connection.” Carol: The Love Story in a Look
“She stared at the darkness where Richard had disappeared. She did not feel guilty about tonight. It was something else. She envied him. She envied him his faith that there would always be a place, a home, a job, someone else for him. She envied him that attitude. She almost resented his having it.” (p. 153)
i was re-reading the book in the plane yesterday when i read this passage and i started to cry and immediately bookmarked the page. this is exactly what it feels like to be a lesbian. the envy and resentment we feel towards those who have the representation, voice, and opportunity in the world that we’re denied–sometimes violently–is so truthfully conveyed here.
“But did {Richard] understand that she would have felt the same way if Carol had never touched her? […] If Carol, in fact, had never spoken to her at all? for it all had happened in that instant she had seen Carol standing in the middle of the floor, watching her. The the realisation that so much had happened after that meeting made her feel incredibly lucky suddenly. It was so easy for a man and woman to find each other, to find someone who would do, but for her to have found Carol–” (p. 156)
again, she brings up these feeling of resentment at the ease that straight people have with finding someone they are content to share their lives with–there whole selves with. because therese obviously doesn’t feel anything remotely in that realm with richard and she’s known him almost a year. but with carol, she connected with her and felt that desire, warmth, and contentment instantly and in something as passing as a glance.
Carol and Table Scenes
So there are thirteen shots/scenes in Carol that take place at some kind of table, and they all serve their purposes. The table scenes put into context, more than anything else, the societal rules in which the characters live. Tables are both a public and private space; people can have intimate moments in a public place when confined to a table.
The shots of Therese at her table with the gloves and Carol with Harge and Rindy at the breakfast table are juxtaposed to show class difference yet Carol and Therese have similar posture. They are both leaning on their elbow(s) looking at their respective partners with the same expression. They are both in the same spot in the frame. With Carol’s shot, there’s a lot going on visually. She has everything a woman of her time should have right there around her. Meanwhile, Therese’s shot is very bare: she has comparatively nothing in the eyes of bourgeois society. Also, with the slip for Carol’s gloves in front of Therese, the idea of Richard as husband material has already been taken off the table in Therese’s mind.
Both of these road trip table scenes are probably the most comfortable we’ll ever see Carol and Therese at a table. Even though they are in public spaces their relationship can still blossom because to the average person they appear to be gal pals. At the diner though, there’s that quick moment before Therese gives Carol the record where they both wipe their hands; Therese on her skirt and Carol with a napkin. Therese wiping her hands on her skirt seems more out of nervousness. Yet it could also be that she feels comfortable enough around Carol not to use a napkin, whereas Carol just automatically uses a napkin because it is ingrained in her to do so. This is in contrast to the table scene where they first have lunch where they are trying so hard to make a good impression.
During dinner with the Airds we see a level of oppressive conformity not found in other table scenes in the rest of the movie. It’s so stifled. All of them have proper table manners. This is what I’m assuming is a Sunday dinner. Interestingly, Harge’s dad is the only person at the table not wearing dark green or brown, which have been marked by previous posts to be colors of conformity.