name's lance. i hate abusive ships. B)

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[lance-the-anti]

So if "internet life" is just as real as meatspace life, how exactly do you justify telling real life actual people to die or kill themselves over cartoon characters?

i don’t mind telling pedophiles to die but in general, ppl are not justifying death threats or suicide baiting (which happens to anyone on any “side” btw) and is FAR removed from the issues we talk abt. if you’re MORE concerned about extremists who tell ppl to die, who are not representative of anti-pedophilia/pedo apologist movements, than you are about pedophiles and pedophilic content then you should rethink some things

[lance-the-anti]

Its really starting to bug me about antis using the adoption and "not real" silbings stuff towards inc/st esp as someone whose dad was an adoptee n i want to adopt too, but it bugs me even more i dealt with inc/st from both bio and non bio family bc trust me either way fucks you up...

yeah like...the idea of family is way more than just blood relations. like if a father adopts a child, that doesn’t make them not-family and eligible to date, step-parents are family, etc. 

[lovethyenemy1994]

Takashi Shirogane age confirmed: 25 years!

[glimnner]

Yes call me by your name is about two gay Jewish men. Call Me By Your Name also sets up a romantic relationship between a 17yo boy and and a 24yo pursuing his doctorate. Stop supporting shit just because it’s gay. It’s predatory and unhealthy. Stop portraying lgbt people as predatory and unhealthy.

“Ahah! The age of consent is seventeen!” Ahah! That’s still statutory rape!

[lance-the-anti]

i'm terrified of being estranged from the volton community and labeled as an evil anti because i am antishaladin and don't think it's right for an adult to be shipped with a minor, like i feel like i'll lose respect when i voice my opinion and it really hurts cause i'm so strongly against sh//aladin content but the way everyone paints it is that antis are the bad guys and that we should just stop arguing and let people ship what they want.....

it’s always been a tactic for the “critical” side to be framed as the aggressors/bullies. it’s a way for the other side to victimize themselves and derail actual conversation or progress. so don’t feel bad if people see you as an evil anti with a pitchfork, it’s just a false narrative they want to push to make people think any criticism/issues we have are harassment, when really these are real issues that affect real people. if you ever feel overwhelmed though it’s ok to take a break and cut yourself off from this stuff

[lance-the-anti]

im probably one of the youngest (if not the youngest) antis in the community rn, and i gotta say, bless you, man. you're out here doing god's work -minorsagainstotayuri

ty and i hope if you’re ever feeling overwhelmed by the ugly people in fandom you can take a break!

[lance-the-anti]

me, casually kicking leg up in the air: as a 16 year old, if a 25 year old was showing any interest in me i would be fucking disgusted and terrified because the 25 year old inherently has a form of authority and power over me as an adult and if you think its okay to ship adults and minors you're fucking disgusting because those ships are abusive and pedophilic!!! (this blog is great i hope u have a great day❤❤❤❤)

thank you!! this is so tru and I hope you stay safe <3

[lance-the-anti]

anti-sjw: the world isn’t your safe space snowflakes, the world is tough, mean, and cruel, and you need to grow up.

anti-sjw the next day: *deactivates their blog for being tricked into spelling icup*

[lance-the-anti]

Sha/adins: y'all dont care about abuse victims!!! Me, an abuse and pedophilia survivor who's also an evil anti: Buddy,

they miss so much of what we’re saying lol

[lance-the-anti]

Antis: here's scientific reasoning and links to back up on why you are wrong and here's why your material is hurting others. Shaladingdongs : YoU GUys SenD DeaTH ThreAtS TheREfORE YoU arE InVaLId Also fiction isn't real lolllol Antis: *looks into camera like they're on the office*

me im tired by how accurate this is

[acehealer-deactivated20181217]

Broganes fans get weirded out by Sheith fanart because they think of the two as brothers.

I get weirded out by Broganes fanart because I think of Keith and Shiro as a couple.

Maybe we’re not that different after all?

[nicktoons]

#as a side note #the eight year age difference in Broganes weirds me out too #b/c i don’t see such a large age gap between them #maybe a year or two that’s it

broganes has a 9 year age gap because gasp they have a 9 year age gap in canon.

[wuekka]

How can they have a 9 year age gap in canon when gasp they don’t have canon ages?

[nicktoons]

The Writers Confirmed The Ages

[hidingoutbackstage]

Oh my fucking god can people who ship this incest shit just fuck off like even if Keith doesn’t have a confirmed age the writers have confirmed he is a teen and they’ve confirmed that Shiro is 25 so seriously fuck all of you who ship this I’m done.

[wuekka]

I can’t believe I got into this. Writers haven’t confirmed anything beyond Keith/Lance/Hunk/Allura being “late teens” (so that’s 16-19, I actually read a tweet that Lance is as old as his voice actor, so 19 but I don’t know if that’s official info) Shiro’s age, from what I’ve understood 25 was “safe zone”, so he’s approximately 25, so he could be younger or even older. And incest? You are a troll, or you have never watched voltron, Shiro and Keith aren’t actually in canon brothers.

[yootsart]

late teens AND not adults, but wait there’s more. keith sees shiro as his brother so likely he was his only family growing up (surprise, you don’t have to be blood related to be family). besides that, shiro is the commanding officer and was a teacher at the garrison. there’s nothing healthy about a relationship between a teenage boy and his teacher/commanding officer who is basically a brother to him

[lance-the-anti]

sheith shippers: ship a teen and his adult older brother figure and are "weirded out” by their strong canon platonic/familial relationship

broganes fans: recognize and value their strong canon platonic/familial relationship and are  “weirded out” disgusted by said ship between a teen and his adult older brother figure

sheith shippers: maybe we’re not that different after all?

[lance-the-anti]

sulphur-crested-cocktease

replied to your post

“"Keep telling yourself that you’re helping people as you dox, trigger,...”

I love that the immediate response to being called out on this bullshit is "yeah but..." Yeah, but what?! There is literally no excuse for this kind of hateful, blatantly racist garbage! I don't care if you don't agree with what someone else does online; it's totally your right to do so, but making excuses and putting the blame back on the victim by responding with a post about how they're overreacting because you're the real victim here is not okay! Clearly they have been victimized...

…claiming that not all antis are sending hateful garbage isn’t the point. I acknowledge that not all antis say these kinds of things, but to act as if you can’t fathom why shippers feel attacked or are quick to defend themselves is disingenuous if you acknowledge that racist comments like this are being made. No one, shipper or anti should think that attacking people in this way is okay, regardless of what you think about a ship, this sort of hate should horrify you.

you know why it’s a shitty thing to say antis only harass others and send hate? because it’s not true and it’s a shitty derailing tactic that reduces our arguments to extreme actions, actions that occur on BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. if you’re calling shippers victims for receiving hate/death threats/whatever then guess what antis are victims too.

“No one, shipper or anti should think that attacking people in this way is okay, regardless of what you think about a ship, this sort of hate should horrify you.” congrats i literally already said that. but it’s time shippers stopped using this point to invalidate antis words. just because assholes sent something gross doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with my criticism of your ship. this isn’t a “not all antis” sort of thing but this argument is being used to conflate antis every action with harassment, which is just fucking wrong. every time i try to talk about fandom behavior regarding abuse and ships, someone like anti-anti-survivor hops on and tries to invalidate my criticism by saying “antis only harass shippers!!” and then complains that antis don’t actually criticize anything they just send hate...even though..they literally interrupted my criticism. anyway the issue of harassment is important but it can be acknowledged WITHOUT derailing discussions of the main fucking issue, and it SHOULDN’T be used to victimize shippers for shipping abuse. an action is still wrong even if the person had something wrong done to them.

[lance-the-anti]

"Keep telling yourself that you’re helping people as you dox, trigger, and all around be pricks to people." FIRST of all who is doxxing who lol and second of all i've seen more shippers be dicks to anti's and send DEATH THREATS than anything so lol, and so many people hate the ships BECAUSE it triggers them?? shippers make no sense

I knoooow lol! they always have everything backwards and love to twist things so they’re the por victims who can’t have fun in fandom :(

[pro-survivors]

Because that’s sure not nasty and victimizing at all.

[lance-the-anti]

no ones condoning that shit or saying shit like that doesn't happen, it happens on both sides. but the shitty thing is when you reduce our conversations about abuse to baseless hate or use extreme examples like that to derail the main issue! because antis take a negative stance against something, our criticism is IMMEDIATELY conflated with harassment just so shippers can victimize themselves, as if talking about how romanticizing abuse is harmful is something that hurts shippers. lol. messages like that are unacceptable but guess what, you getting those messages doesn't make our arguments any less valid. so stop using that to silence what we're talking about because it's a shitty tactic that self-serving assholes use to protect themselves from criticism. now if you're done going through the posts on my account and derailing you can leave!

[thewoesofyaoi]

it’s funny that majority of the Ship And Let Ship minded people are “fandom elders” or whatever the fuck they like to call themselves

we get it, growing up no one told you that x is offensive and you’re personally inconvenienced by “modern liberal PC culture” telling you to think about the repercussions before you post your “i think shotacon is hot” crap where everyone can see

[italeteller]

You are actually serious, aren’t you. “growing up no one told you that x is offensive” yeah, nobody from The Old Age ever heard stuff like “you can’t ship gay people cause that’s a sin” or “interracial ships shouldn’t exist” or similar bigoted shit. The past was always peachy, everybody was tolerant, look I’ve run out of sarcasm so I’m just gonna make my point: Fandom Elders are the people who saw witchhunts happen to fandom, saw content like mlm/wlw ships and “impure” themes being hunted. They’re the people who took a stand and said “no you are not taking fandom from me, you are not taking creativity and expression from me”. They’re the reason you can write and read and draw whatever the fuck you want. So if you and your purity brigade want to go back to labelling content as “something nobody should create or consume” then know that you’re opening the door for others to do that with what YOU love “But what I like isn’t toxic” you’ll say, and I’ll say “not to you”. But there will always be someone offended. There will always be someone who wants to ban everything they don’t like rather than block some tags and move on like a rational adult. If the price for free creation is loli and shota? Then it’s a fucking cheap price.

[thewoesofyaoi]

hey quick question what the fuck is wrong with you

[thewoesofyaoi]

cant believe positive poc and lgbt rep gotta come at the price that people create and fap to child porn to some and they argue that that’s a good price to pay like…..

[thewoesofyaoi]

imagine thinking that people who are against the creation of child porn are on the wrong side of history

[lance-the-anti]

for real why the fuck do “anti-antis” have this idea that online spaces aren’t part of real life. guess what any actions anywhere can affect other people, and that doesn’t change just because you’re behind a screen talking about a ship. and you especially can’t pretend none of your actions in fandom can harm anyone—or that it’s not your responsibility to care—and then turn around and say antis actions in fandom…hurt you?? that makes no fucking sense and it’s transparent that you don’t care if anyone is actually hurt unless it’s yourself.

[pro-survivors]

Oh I didn’t know they were vagueposting about me too; :>

Well, yeah I care if I get hurt. I’m an abuse survivor too, and nobody likes being re-exposed to reminders or even trauma triggers about their abuse. The part in your post I mentioned was me referring to a anti-shaladin post that was something that my abuser said to me that had me in a state of flight-or-fight and paranoia. 

Tumblr sure is part of real life. You know what else tumblr does? Allows not safe for work content. Which is why my discourse blog is kept safe for work, and I have a NSFW flagged sideblog for my NSFW content, and why I tag all my posts with mentions of abuse with trigger warning.

Like, y’all can’t come onto a site that permits NSFW content (when there’s a lot of fandom sites out there, you can even make your own, that do not permit NSFW content) and then complain when you see NSFW content but then not take any steps yourself to avoid it?

Once we let people know the contents of our work, that’s all we have to do. There’s a myriad of tools at your disposal to keep shaladin and shipping content you object to off of your dash. 

[lance-the-anti]

biducefnrfbijknrfg shut up about NSFW content, I know it’s allowed to be posted here. banning nsfw content is not what i was saying at all!!! but YOU should be aware of how the content you post affects others, and posting pedophilic content that’s portrayed in a positive light is fucking dangerous!! you’re totally ignoring that shippers DON’T keep this content to themselves, it’s a widespread problem in fandom for people to romanticize abuse, or else we wouldn’t be here talking about it. this isn’t about keeping that content out of my personal line of sight; ignoring a problem doesn’t fix it. people’s lax attitudes towards abuse, especially in spaces where kids can be influenced, need to be addressed. so yeah if an adult makes a post talking about how cute it would be if some child and some adult were to date, you bet people are going to criticize that shit!!! maybe if YOU can’t handle criticism of fucking abuse, you should block us using one of the many tools at your disposal to keep critical discussion off your dash :)

[pro-survivors]

I was using NSFW content as a blanket statement for ships that would be abusive in the real world, although “problematic” was probably the tumblrism I meant. I just don’t like using that word unironically if I can help it. 

It’s not romanticizing abuse that’s the issue. It’s people, usually young people, who don’t understand the gap between ‘something I’m reading about or writing about or drawing’ and ‘something I condone and would do,’ and start attacking people over it? 

Also if you looked for two seconds at my blog it’s almost all critical discussion, and I’m pretty polite about it.

[lance-the-anti]

lol romanticizing abuse IS the issue. it’s common sense that how we interact with fiction and how we portray ideas in fiction affects reality. like, you know how propaganda works? ideas are portrayed positively and influences people’s perspective regarding that idea.

it’s not about “if X idea is included/explored in fiction, this author is more likely to act on it” that's not what anyone is saying. but it’s important to be critical of how that idea is portrayed. take jaws: everyone knows it’s a fucking movie, but because sharks were portrayed as man-eating evil monsters, people in real life began to see sharks as man-eating evil monsters, and that movie had a devastating effect on real sharks (you can google it, there’s plenty of evidence).

it’s the same for literally any fictional content. when twilight portrayed the stalkery relationship between edward and bella and her unhealthy dependence on and obsession with him as romantic, guess what? teenage girls all over believed it! a lot of people didn’t see a problem with that behavior! and that’s dangerous because when people enter relationships with similar dynamics to the ones that they read about, they won’t recognize it as unhealthy becuase they were told over and over again that there’s nothing wrong with it!

so when people portray child-adult relationships, incestuous relationships, or any abusive dynamics as cute/fluffy/desirable/healthy/romantic/etc. guess what happens? it affects people’s perspectives. especially when you’re in a fandom full of kids. it’s really not hard to be critical of the content you consume, it’s literally the easiest thing in the world, but people like you would rather spend time defending the right for this content to exist. who does that help?? yourself? right, we know.

so no it’s not about knowing the content you’re engaging with is fiction. everyone knows it’s fiction, everyone knows it’s a TV show or a book or whatever. that’s not the fucking point and never has been. it might be fictional content but ideas have impact, and yes, uncritically consuming, creating, and promoting abusive content is harmful, and needs to be criticized!

[lance-the-anti]

for real why the fuck do “anti-antis” have this idea that online spaces aren’t part of real life. guess what any actions anywhere can affect other people, and that doesn’t change just because you’re behind a screen talking about a ship. and you especially can’t pretend none of your actions in fandom can harm anyone—or that it’s not your responsibility to care—and then turn around and say antis actions in fandom…hurt you?? that makes no fucking sense and it’s transparent that you don’t care if anyone is actually hurt unless it’s yourself.

[pro-survivors]

Oh I didn’t know they were vagueposting about me too; :>

Well, yeah I care if I get hurt. I’m an abuse survivor too, and nobody likes being re-exposed to reminders or even trauma triggers about their abuse. The part in your post I mentioned was me referring to a anti-shaladin post that was something that my abuser said to me that had me in a state of flight-or-fight and paranoia. 

Tumblr sure is part of real life. You know what else tumblr does? Allows not safe for work content. Which is why my discourse blog is kept safe for work, and I have a NSFW flagged sideblog for my NSFW content, and why I tag all my posts with mentions of abuse with trigger warning.

Like, y’all can’t come onto a site that permits NSFW content (when there’s a lot of fandom sites out there, you can even make your own, that do not permit NSFW content) and then complain when you see NSFW content but then not take any steps yourself to avoid it?

Once we let people know the contents of our work, that’s all we have to do. There’s a myriad of tools at your disposal to keep shaladin and shipping content you object to off of your dash. 

[lance-the-anti]

biducefnrfbijknrfg shut up about NSFW content, I know it’s allowed to be posted here. banning nsfw content is not what i was saying at all!!! but YOU should be aware of how the content you post affects others, and posting pedophilic content that’s portrayed in a positive light is fucking dangerous!! you’re totally ignoring that shippers DON’T keep this content to themselves, it’s a widespread problem in fandom for people to romanticize abuse, or else we wouldn’t be here talking about it. this isn’t about keeping that content out of my personal line of sight; ignoring a problem doesn’t fix it. people’s lax attitudes towards abuse, especially in spaces where kids can be influenced, need to be addressed. so yeah if an adult makes a post talking about how cute it would be if some child and some adult were to date, you bet people are going to criticize that shit!!! maybe if YOU can’t handle criticism of fucking abuse, you should block us using one of the many tools at your disposal to keep critical discussion off your dash :)

[lance-the-anti]

what they say: fandom is not ur safe space

what they mean: i am uncomfortable when i am confronted with the idea that my actions have consequences even on the internet, and that the internet is not some space detached from reality where i can do and say whatever i want without regard towards other people’s well-being

[pro-survivors]

what they say: if you ship this you are disgusting

what they mean: I am going to prioritize my own opinions because I am likely never going to see you or meet you in reality, and so I do not have to face the consequences of my actions and consider that maybe, just maybe, I am hurting people. 

[lance-the-anti]

did you know…that online spaces aren’t separate from reality? and the ideas we promote and perpetuate, even online, have consequences and affect other people? and that romanticizing abusive dynamics is an action that hurts people and is worthy of criticism?

your response is real ironic considering anti-antis are the ones who don’t care about how their actions hurt other people and try to excuse their behavior by thinking interactions with fiction/online content aren’t real.

[pro-survivors]

Yes, I did know online spaces exist in reality. Did you know tumblr permits NSFW content on its site? And that there are sites without NSFW content if such content is upsetting or a trauma trigger to you? Did you know that if we take steps to make sure you know it’s NSFW our responsibility ends there? Did you know shippers are under no obligation to pander or cater to you wanting them to ship something else?

Did you know that romanticizing abusive dynamics happens across a broad range of fiction? Did you know that the definition of normalization is literally making things normal, and that domestic abuse, the abuse of children, and abuse in general is not normalized in first world cultures except by deviant individuals who have something fundamentally wrong with them? 

Did you know that shipping fictional characters, so long as it is properly marked if it’s NSFW, is not comparable to actual real life pedophila? I swear to god, there are real blogs with actual children on them in sexual situations and if all the antis on tumblr teamed up to take them down tumblr would actually be free of pedophilia. But no, we have to attack people for pedophilia with PEOPLE WHO NEVER EXISTED.

If internet actions have consequences, you antis better own up too. I saw an anti post today that was literally something my abuser said to me when I was being gaslit. I’ve seen antis telling people to die, choke, be hurt.I’ve seen a anon ask decrying one of my friends for shipping shaladin by calling them the n slur. Calling  someone a nasty racial slur. 

D’you think that has consequences I-R-L? Or does it not matter because we’re shippers?

[lance-the-anti]

the act of shipping is romanticizing characters’ relationships…that’s literally what shipping is. if two characters would have a canonically abusive romantic relationship (like say if one character is an adult and the other is a child) their relationship would be abusive. shipping them together romanticized that and contributes to the normalization of that dynamic. you can’t be that naive to think only people who..have something wrong with them(???) are capable of normalizing harmful ideas in fiction.

and yes we are dealing with fiction, that doesn’t mean ideas in fiction are completely separate from real life. if a racist character exists and fandom attempts to defend that character or justify their actions, that works to normalize racism and is wrong. it’s the same for literally any idea that can exist in fiction. abusive dynamics are real and the tons of shippers who defend abuse, ignore it, or even go as far as trying to justify abusive relationships in real life just for the sake of a ship are disgusting.

and lol every anti who’s against pedophilic ships ARE against real cp/pedophilic content/people on this site, why would you think we aren’t.

also every anti will also tell you how mug hate/harassment/death threats/triggering content/etc. we get sent just for criticizing your ugly ships. I got sent rape porn recently. it’s wrong on BOTH sides, and someone sending a shipper hate is wrong, but that doesn’t make our arguments against the normalization of abuse in fandom spaces less valid or real.

[pro-survivors]

Yeah, that’s what I think romanticizing is too. I was defining normalization. Normalization is defined by good old google as: the process of bringing or returning something to a normal condition or state. If abuse was normalized it would be both legal and socially acceptable to perform acts of abuse. In first world countries that is not true. Abuse is illegal. Child pornography and molestation is illegal. You cannot beat your spouse legally. You can do that in places like the middle east, but not here, and that is recognized as a global human rights issue. Just because the legal systems set up to deal with acts of abuse are shitty does not mean it is condoned by society as a whole which would render it normalized.

 So yeah, I do think that only someone who has something wrong with them would want beating their wife or abusing their child to be legal and condoned by society and thus be normalized in the accurate definition of the word.

I’m white so I can only speak on the topic of racism from a priveliged perspective, so if any of my followers who could more accurately discuss this wants to chime in feel free. But I don’t see people in fandom glorifying racism? All of the people whom I know wouldn’t do that and also are capable of distingushing fiction from reality Also who is justifying real life abuse? I’ve never seen someone do that either. 

I never said you antis aren’t against child pornography and pedophilic content and people. I would assume you and yours are against that, that’s kinda your whole M.O. regardless of how misguided your efforts are. I was saying if you shifted your focus from harrassing people who ship to actually reporting pedophilic content you’d be making a real difference. Nice try though. 

Reiterating that there are safe spaces for fandom which do not include NSFW. Tumblr is not one of them. While I say that, I’m deeply sorry someone sent you r*pe porn. That’s a cowardly, shitty thing to do, and whoever did do that should be ashamed of themselves. And you’re right, it comes from both sides, but if you’re using the argument that ‘your actions on the internet have consequences’ you need to acknowledge that this is part of it and antis are not exempt.

[lance-the-anti]

lol romanticization of ideas helps normalize them, that’s common sense. abuse doesn’t need to be legal for it to be normalized. you can tell abuse is normalized when books like captive prince, 50 shades of gray, etc. are popular and loved even though the relationships in those books are abusive. same for fandom; there are tons of people, particularly adults, who argue that certain dynamics are perfectly fine or at least not worthy of criticism even though they’re abusive (see the steaming pile of shit that’s re/ylo, any incest ship, ships between adults and kids, etc.) if you’re only focusing on legal systems then you’re ignoring the main problem which is the culture in fandom spaces that is dismissive of abuse.

also, you’re white. if you don’t see glorification/dismissal/perpetuation of racism in fandoms, you’re not looking hard enough.

and I can tell you're missing a lot of the arguments shippers make because the main arguments being used, which antis have to deal with time and time again, are 1) it’s just fiction so it doesn’t matter (which is not true) 2) it’s not my responsibility if others get hurt (which is dangerous) and 3) there’s nothing wrong with these relationships at all! (e.g. shippers trying to use age of consent laws to justify child-adult relationships which is a super disgusting tactic that conflates legality with morality; shippers trying to convince people and esp kids that a teenager can date a grown adult and there’s nothing wrong with that, which is also disgusting, etc. etc.)

these arguments are literal proof that abuse is normalized. no one should be looking at two siblings or a child and an adult or a woman and her abuser and thinking “hey that relationship is nice/healthy!” that means people are desensitized to abuse, i.e. it’s fucking normalized! clearly you haven’t been seeing what the majority of shippers say to justify their fictional ship, so please stop using the argument ‘i’ve never seen this’ because it is happening.

and the thing about reporting pedophilic content.......we DO. there’s this thing called multitasking and just because we’re focused on one issue doesn’t mean we can’t handle others at the same time.

also the point of my op was to address people’s arguments that fandom isn’t a safe space, and therefore no one has to be worried about or at least be critical of actions in these spaces that could harm others. THAT’S what I was talking about and that’s a dangerous and selfish mindset. meanwhile you came here only to conflate extreme aggressions with antis entire cause as if that somehow contradicts my post. it doesn’t, you just missed the point while also proving the point of my post. i was never talking just about nsfw content, nsfw content isn’t inherently harmful and doesn’t perpetuate dangerous ideas on its own. but romanticizing abuse does! and shippers have to be aware of that.

now if you’re done, it’d be nice if you didn’t try to derail conversations about abuse in fiction by tone policing. if you want to address the issue of harassment (which occurs on both sides) you can...make your own post!