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[lavendersquad]

We'll never have sex by leith ross reminds me so much of Scott and Kira, my gosh.

[liplessthomas16]

"Scott and Stiles were both to blame for their fight in s5"

is an opinion most of us have (I'm ignoring the delusional ones who blame the whole thing on Scott here)

I've posted and reblogged before what Stiles's fault is in the whole thing many many times, so let's focus on Scott for this one.

What part is his fault?

It's not that "He believed Theo over Stiles", or "He didn't communicate well enough", or "He's too morally uptight" (there are reblogs/posts on my account that invalidate all those arguments)

I think his real fault is not expressing how he feels.

Ignoring the show writers and their Stiles-propping here for a sec, Stiles does love Scott.

We've seen this in s1 and s2 when they were practically attached at the hip even though the supernatural invaded their life, in s3- the peak Sciles season when he talked him out of his suicide attempt, and s4 when he told him "You're still only human", and faced a gun to his head for him.

Stiles loves Scott- that's his brother for God's sake!

But then Scott started bottling himself up.

As the seasons progress, Scott shows his emotions less and less. He has fewer angry outbursts, fewer moments of losing control of his wolf, fewer split-second stupid decisions.

Like any flaw, there are tons of stuff that cause this of course- trying to be his own anchor, having a ton of expectations piled onto him, his own sense of self-responsibility etc etc, but the result is that he barely ever lets himself be vulnerable and human.

Which, for Stiles- Scott's day one who has been with him through all the highs and lows in life so far- is foreign and unfamiliar. He doesn't know who Scott is anymore. He feels too brave and kind and strong and perfect.

Hence the outburst,

(definitely lots of fault on Stiles's part too and not excusable of course, but that's not the topic here)

To which Scott doesn't get mad.

Stiles attacks him in the hospital- he doesn't get mad.

Stiles dismisses his fatal wound- he doesn't get mad.

He never, even once, voices how much he's actually hurt by what Stiles does.

And I really, really think that if he expressed how lonely and in pain and hurt he is- Stiles would feel bad about it. He'd get his head oit of arse and understand and apologise.

I mean, he cared enough to reassure Scott after he broke Liam's leg without him even saying anything.

In s5 he has way more on his mind with Donovan's death and later, his dad's injury, so it's excusable why he didn't notice how Scott was being isolated and pressured (Doesn't excuse the harassment, ofc)

But if Scott talked about it? If, on the way to get Kira from the Skinwalkers, he actually brought up his own pain instead of just focusing on Stiles's guilt over killing Donovan? I really believe Stiles would've realised how much of a bish he'd been and make it right.

[fuji09]

Oh! I actually replied to a post on how both were at fault, it might be up your alley!

Here is the link to it if you want to give it a read.

I go over each thing they did wrong during the confrontation after another person also voiced their thoughts.

Also something I've been seeing a lot lately is Stiles dismissing Scott's fatal wound, but we never see Stiles being told Scott is even hurt. He doesn't know. All Melissa tells him is that she texted Scott and he's on his way. He had no idea Scott even died and how hurt he is. So when he jumped Scott after being terrified, overwhelmed, and exhausted he lashes out. Anger is a lot easier for people to feel and deal with than fear. So when Scott mentions he's hurt, Stiles is most likely thinking it's nothing bad, Melissa would have said something right? So I think that's why he says you'll heal. I went over all the lines in that episode to make sure I didn't forget or miss anything and Stiles is never told what happened to Scott before he sees Scott at the hospital and lashes out.

I'm really glad you said you know Stiles loves Scott because he really does. Stiles and Scott are each other's ride or die. And yet so many times I see how Stiles must be the devil and hates Scott but uh... No, no he doesn't. Stiles loves Scott and his worst fear after losing his dad, is losing Scott.

And I totally agree! I didn't even think about Scott bottling up his emotions but yeah, you're right, he does. If Scott had been like bro, you're seriously hurting me and we gotta talk this shit out, Stiles would have errored out and realized oh shit, I haven't been the best friend lately.

They would have talked it out and their friendship would have been better off after everything than how it was in the show after everything.

I'm pretty sure people expect Stiles to be just like Scott and when he acts like a totally different person, people think he's terrible. It's kinda like how some people love dogs but hate cats because they are "aloof and not loving" when that can't be further from the truth. Cats are not dogs. You can't expect them to be, they are a different animal therefore they act different, show love differently. But if you understand a cat's body language and behaviors, you'll find you actually do have a super loving cat.

So Scott is the dog in this analogy (lol puppy Scott) and Stiles is the cat. Stiles is not Scott. Stiles can not be expected to be just like Scott. That doesn't mean Stiles is horrible. Stiles has completely different trauma responses. Stiles has completely different traumas. Stiles has different mental illnesses. Stiles lashes out differently than Scott does.

All in all, they both hurt each other's feelings. It's not all on just one person.