[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[lemoncelloquartet]

results of poll #1

so far 60% of radfems, including myself, believe that partnering with men does not correlate to radical feminist values

seeing as this is the majority, i think the women who have boyfriends should just stop referring to themselves as radfems?

[4979537032-deactivated20220629]

you literally can’t explain to these people that the average american woman is poor. the average american white woman is poor. that most women who live in “middle class” households do so in name only, they cannot afford to leave their job for days or weeks, afford childcare, travel and accommodation to go get an abortion in a different state or country. they are so blinded by their hatred of women that they cannot see reason. they are laughing at women’s suffering :)

[cheesyradfem]

US Women:

are 50.8% percent of the population

but 56% percent of the poor

and 80.5% percent of single parents

with 31% of unmarried mothers living in poverty

make up 46.8% of the work force

are nearly twice as likely as men to work part-time

but earn only 82 cents for every $1 earned by men

and hold 2/3 of the U.S. student loan debt

as well as earning more bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral degrees than men

despite female college graduates making only 74% of what male graduates make

women with masters degrees earn less than men with bachelors degrees

there is not a state in the union where more men live below the poverty line than women

[sunandsteel99]

aaaahahaha i just found out that @dhakcjshkvjbd is eldopism aka the "incest makes perfect sense but I draw the line at lesbianism" woman

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

I had no idea you guys were so obsessed with me 😭

Also I love the fanfic you’ve been writing about me. It doesn’t seem to have much basis in canon, but I can see that it makes you happy to indulge in these little exercises of your imagination so I’m happy for you :)

[uncertainwaters]

hello again bestie. here's a post i hallucinated.

it was super fun to use my imagination when i pressed the screenshot button on my phone. no one else will be able to see it though since it's not real and you didn't say it, just like you never said female homosexuals are diseased, psychotic, or lacking in humanity. :)

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

this made me actually laugh out loud. I remember that, some guy was upset that people kept misunderstanding what he saw saying, and I told him that it was happening because his wording was confusing people. and you decided to screenshot it as evidence of my crimes 😂 and on top of that you genuinely seem to have hallucinated additional paragraphs about homosexuals being diseased, all while trying to claim that you aren’t hallucinating.

and you acted so smug too I think that’s what makes it so funny

[uncertainwaters]

hahaha youre so right!!!

im just crazyyyyy 🤪 we have fun though dont we?

[lemoncelloquartet]

as someone OSA myself, i see so much of you "anti-biphobes" (who conveniently only attack lesbians and not men, aka the people who created systemic oppression for SSA people) follow and like posts from this person, genuinely you need to get yourself out of radblr and into a therapy office

this person dedicates their blog to attacking lesbians. they have never once encountered or pointed out a biphobic person, they just spew about their boyfriend and about how they hate women

you have to be the most jealous, insecure and miserable person to hate other women as vindication for having a ugly boyfriend and betraying solidarity

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[radfemme-rage]

i think a ton of cognitive dissonance, a requirement for validation, desperation, and unresolved trauma are all large reasons why you see radical feminists partner with males.

even if they claim their partner is “decent” and their relationship is “egalitarian”, this would require a LIFETIME of work from the male on his internalised misogyny - most males do not even attempt 1% of this work, and we are supposed to believe her man has somehow cracked it?

that this moid is post-patriarchal? 🤣

moreover, i just take large issue with the fact that these women get on here and defend her moid, as if it isn’t basically guaranteed he watches porn, etc. behind her back.

anyone with a brain knows that nearly all moids behave one way to a woman’s face and completely differently behind her back and also with other moids.

all of it just extremely silly imo, and any woman who partners with a male is living in a fantasy world.

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

so just to conceptualize this, you’re saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

That is not what I said.

There is a difference between “I hate [plural noun]” and “I hate every single [plural noun].” The first allows for exceptions. This isn’t rocket science.

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me.

This isn’t true. The patriarchy is a system of oppression, not just the plural form of “man.” An individual male person just existing does not inherently generate patriarchy out of his pores. Oppression is something people do, not something they are.

dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn’t made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

I’m gonna skip over all the stuff about race and nationality because I have no idea what you’re trying to say and it sounds nonsensical. Seems like you didn’t understand my point about how it’s normal to hate your oppressors as a whole while still allowing individuals to earn your respect, so you just started free-associating?

But anyway I think it’s very silly to claim that dating was “made for” men. If you’re talking about traditional, misogynistic courtship rituals, then I doubt many radfems are “dating men” by that definition. If you’re talking about “dating” as in having sexual/romantic relationships, then it would be pretty ridiculous to claim those are a patriarchal invention. Do you think no one had sex or relationships prior to the advent of patriarchy?

[lemoncelloquartet]

youre out here trying to convince people that men aren't responsible for the patriarchy with your victim blamey rhetoric that always circles back to homophobia against lesbians.

"im going to skip the part about race" you compared men to white people and men to poc. sexism is not racism and you're embarrassing yourself with how obviously white you are in order to make such a stupid comparison just to fulfil you male centered argument

how can you call yourself a radfem when you say that the patriarchy isnt male and that dating practices and how men view women as sex objects isn't misogynistic?

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

your reading comprehension is such dogshit there really is no hope for you. you are not grounded in reality. I’m sorry but you have to be less stupid, learn to read, be less belligerent etc before there is any hope of reasoning with you. your stupidity is out of my hands.

[lemoncelloquartet]

dogshit like smell of neural atrophy that wafts from your posts? or maybe that is just your boyfriend. i want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that all the stupidity here was just him, but then again you're not only dating him, you're attacking lesbians for him too, and you're stupid enough to do it too. you just hurl insults when your confronted with how sexist, blatantly homophobic and racist your arguments are

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

ok keep writing your deranged fanfic about me if you want. stupid, psycho little creep.

[lemoncelloquartet]

what "fanfic"? its screenshots of shit you said! are you on edibles

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

so just to conceptualize this, you’re saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

That is not what I said.

There is a difference between “I hate [plural noun]” and “I hate every single [plural noun].” The first allows for exceptions. This isn’t rocket science.

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me.

This isn’t true. The patriarchy is a system of oppression, not just the plural form of “man.” An individual male person just existing does not inherently generate patriarchy out of his pores. Oppression is something people do, not something they are.

dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn’t made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

I’m gonna skip over all the stuff about race and nationality because I have no idea what you’re trying to say and it sounds nonsensical. Seems like you didn’t understand my point about how it’s normal to hate your oppressors as a whole while still allowing individuals to earn your respect, so you just started free-associating?

But anyway I think it’s very silly to claim that dating was “made for” men. If you’re talking about traditional, misogynistic courtship rituals, then I doubt many radfems are “dating men” by that definition. If you’re talking about “dating” as in having sexual/romantic relationships, then it would be pretty ridiculous to claim those are a patriarchal invention. Do you think no one had sex or relationships prior to the advent of patriarchy?

[lemoncelloquartet]

youre out here trying to convince people that men aren't responsible for the patriarchy with your victim blamey rhetoric that always circles back to homophobia against lesbians.

"im going to skip the part about race" you compared men to white people and men to poc. sexism is not racism and you're embarrassing yourself with how obviously white you are in order to make such a stupid comparison just to fulfil you male centered argument

how can you call yourself a radfem when you say that the patriarchy isnt male and that dating practices and how men view women as sex objects isn't misogynistic?

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

your reading comprehension is such dogshit there really is no hope for you. you are not grounded in reality. I’m sorry but you have to be less stupid, learn to read, be less belligerent etc before there is any hope of reasoning with you. your stupidity is out of my hands.

[lemoncelloquartet]

dogshit like smell of neural atrophy that wafts from your posts? or maybe that is just your boyfriend. i want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that all the stupidity here was just him, but then again you're not only dating him, you're attacking lesbians for him too, and you're stupid enough to do it too. you just hurl insults when your confronted with how sexist, blatantly homophobic and racist your arguments are

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

so just to conceptualize this, you’re saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

That is not what I said.

There is a difference between “I hate [plural noun]” and “I hate every single [plural noun].” The first allows for exceptions. This isn’t rocket science.

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me.

This isn’t true. The patriarchy is a system of oppression, not just the plural form of “man.” An individual male person just existing does not inherently generate patriarchy out of his pores. Oppression is something people do, not something they are.

dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn’t made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

I’m gonna skip over all the stuff about race and nationality because I have no idea what you’re trying to say and it sounds nonsensical. Seems like you didn’t understand my point about how it’s normal to hate your oppressors as a whole while still allowing individuals to earn your respect, so you just started free-associating?

But anyway I think it’s very silly to claim that dating was “made for” men. If you’re talking about traditional, misogynistic courtship rituals, then I doubt many radfems are “dating men” by that definition. If you’re talking about “dating” as in having sexual/romantic relationships, then it would be pretty ridiculous to claim those are a patriarchal invention. Do you think no one had sex or relationships prior to the advent of patriarchy?

[lemoncelloquartet]

youre out here trying to convince people that men aren't responsible for the patriarchy with your victim blamey rhetoric that always circles back to homophobia against lesbians.

"im going to skip the part about race" you compared men to white people and men to poc. sexism is not racism and you're embarrassing yourself with how obviously white you are in order to make such a stupid comparison just to fulfil you male centered argument

how can you call yourself a radfem when you say that the patriarchy isnt male and that dating practices and how men view women as sex objects isn't misogynistic?

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

so just to conceptualize this, you’re saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

That is not what I said.

There is a difference between “I hate [plural noun]” and “I hate every single [plural noun].” The first allows for exceptions. This isn’t rocket science.

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me.

This isn’t true. The patriarchy is a system of oppression, not just the plural form of “man.” An individual male person just existing does not inherently generate patriarchy out of his pores. Oppression is something people do, not something they are.

dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn’t made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

I’m gonna skip over all the stuff about race and nationality because I have no idea what you’re trying to say and it sounds nonsensical. Seems like you didn’t understand my point about how it’s normal to hate your oppressors as a whole while still allowing individuals to earn your respect, so you just started free-associating?

But anyway I think it’s very silly to claim that dating was “made for” men. If you’re talking about traditional, misogynistic courtship rituals, then I doubt many radfems are “dating men” by that definition. If you’re talking about “dating” as in having sexual/romantic relationships, then it would be pretty ridiculous to claim those are a patriarchal invention. Do you think no one had sex or relationships prior to the advent of patriarchy?

[river-grunfeld-archive]

Holy crash out my good gyn no one is forcing you to call yourself a radical feminist.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

not sure why you freaked out over this post lol but you’ll be ok. take a deep breath.

I never said anyone is forcing me to call myself one. I simply am one, and that’s why I use the term. I hope you will be ok and I’m sorry you reacted so strongly to this post

[river-grunfeld-archive]

Define radical feminist

[river-grunfeld-archive]

Never mind actually

[lemoncelloquartet]

>comparing lesbians to actual men

"sob stories" you mean homophobia?

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

so just to conceptualize this, you’re saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

That is not what I said.

There is a difference between “I hate [plural noun]” and “I hate every single [plural noun].” The first allows for exceptions. This isn’t rocket science.

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me.

This isn’t true. The patriarchy is a system of oppression, not just the plural form of “man.” An individual male person just existing does not inherently generate patriarchy out of his pores. Oppression is something people do, not something they are.

dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn’t made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

I’m gonna skip over all the stuff about race and nationality because I have no idea what you’re trying to say and it sounds nonsensical. Seems like you didn’t understand my point about how it’s normal to hate your oppressors as a whole while still allowing individuals to earn your respect, so you just started free-associating?

But anyway I think it’s very silly to claim that dating was “made for” men. If you’re talking about traditional, misogynistic courtship rituals, then I doubt many radfems are “dating men” by that definition. If you’re talking about “dating” as in having sexual/romantic relationships, then it would be pretty ridiculous to claim those are a patriarchal invention. Do you think no one had sex or relationships prior to the advent of patriarchy?

[river-grunfeld-archive]

Holy crash out my good gyn no one is forcing you to call yourself a radical feminist.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

not sure why you freaked out over this post lol but you’ll be ok. take a deep breath.

I never said anyone is forcing me to call myself one. I simply am one, and that’s why I use the term. I hope you will be ok and I’m sorry you reacted so strongly to this post

[river-grunfeld-archive]

Define radical feminist

[lemoncelloquartet]

dhakcjshkvjbd getting their bot ass whopped

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

ps: i don't take this person's opinion very seriously, they are homophobic to say the least

">tons of lesbians are bad. And even some het men too" not-so subtly saying that lesbians are worse than actual men

[futuristicexilekraken]

The way that not a single person gave a valid argument as for why dating men is good.

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

It’s because when women say they hate men most of them mean they hate the majority of men, the average man, male culture, misogynists, men who behave in distinctively Male ways, males as a class.

But when women date men they aren’t dating the concept of men as a whole, they’re dating individuals. Presumably they like those individuals.

Everyone does this. “I hate [demographic] except for the ones who aren’t like that” is incredibly common. I’ve met plenty of people who say “I hate white people” but none of them have ever hated me for being white. People will talk about hating USAmericans but they’ll still be kind and respectful if that’s how you treat them. It’s very common for people to talk about hating their oppressors without actually hating every single individual, it’s not that complicated

[lemoncelloquartet]

so just to conceptualize this, you're saying that women hate the patriarchy, not men

except men are the patriarchy so this makes little sense to me. also, men aren't a race. it's not comparable to white people or nationality. men are the reason we even have those distinctions in the first place. men are the reason we have racism; men are the reason why people hate America. dating was made for the patriarchal role that men fill. it wasn't made for white men or American men, it was made for men and the concept of masculinity itself.

ps: i don't take this person's opinion very seriously, they are homophobic to say the least

>comparing lesbians to actual men

"sob stories" you mean homophobia?

[lemoncelloquartet]

How does it feel to be so BASED?

its heavy.. but luckily theres the 2 of us carrying that burden together :)

[radfemme-rage]

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[evenlesssentimentaltranslator]

There's a difference between radfem and "misandrist". I'm a moderate on this topic and don't really concern myself with the radfems who genuinely did manage to find a man who is decent (my issue is with the fact that straight women are being sold the lie that all of us can find a decent man, which is mathematically not even remotely possible and is deliberately pushed with the intention of getting OSA women to tolerate mistreatment from men, and the fact that even the lucky women usually have to endure some abuse before finding a decent man, and I find the normalisation of that morally unacceptable too), but if you're calling yourself a misandrist, that means you're defining yourself by the fact that you hate men, at which point, I, too, want to know why you're calling yourself that if you want to share a bed with a man.

[lemoncelloquartet]

thank you for your response. i just don't understand how you misandry is separate from the concept of radical feminism, because i feel like hating men is necessary to be a radfem. I also don't understand the belief that there are good men out there. Can you elaborate on what a good man is? i think dating is fundamentally a ritualistic patriarchal act, so to me, "dating a good man" is an oxymoron statement

[lemoncelloquartet]

misandrists who date men, why?

I'm asking respectfully because I want a genuine answer. not in any way trying to insult you, I just want to have my questions answered

I'm just curious as to why anyone who considers themselves to be a "radfem" would be in a relationship with a male?

I'm not talking about women who are in an abusive relationship that they can't leave, I'm only asking opinions specifically from women who consider a relationship with a male adjacent to radical feminist ideology.

I'm not looking for a fight, I am just looking for some reasoning.

anyone who thinks that dating men is not an antithesis to radical feminist values may answer.

either in the reblogs, tags, comments or in my anons

[bluntbliss-deactivated20260429]

I need the 19 year old girlies telling women to go 4B to understand that unless you actually organize yourselves and make this a national movement, you're literally asking random women to give up their love life for literally no reason at all.

Also I've seen a lot of bios with something in the lines of "het partnered women DNI" and it makes me laugh so hard because, again, I'm literally almost double your age and if you think I don't have good enough criteria to know who tf I'm dating, then I'll laugh even harder.

Sure, young girls are hypersexualized and will date any loser, but.... that's kind of a part of life too, people fuck up, especially teens and young adults, I know you girlies have a superiority complex and know you're just so much better than the girls who socialize with men, but trust me, you're literally not helping anybody here, I have no clue how tf you're supposed to help other women and make feminist literature if you don't talk to women from all walks of life.

This childish cancel culture is so tiring istg.

"no i won't talk to you because boys have cooties!!!"

like girls please for the love of god, that's exactly what you're saying LMAO

[vintage-bentley]

“If you don’t think I don’t have good enough criteria to know who tf I’m dating, then I’ll laugh even harder.”

This is exactly why so many of us are frustrated with feminists who date men. Because you have this idea that you hold some special knowledge to find a Good Man™️, implying that women who end up with abusive and dangerous men just aren’t as smart as you are.

How can you assure a woman who’s experienced domestic abuse that it wasn’t her fault, because no woman can ever predict if a man will end up being abusive…but then turn around and say “well I have good criteria for the men I date, so I’ll be fine”. Did she not have good enough criteria? Was she too stupid to see red flags? Is she just “hypersexualised and will date any loser” as you said in your post? But you’re better than her, you’ll make a good choice. You’ll find the nicest guy ever who’s super duper feminist and will never lay a hand on you. All those women who ended up unlucky just didn’t have your superior abuse screening skills.

Also, if you think that 4B is about getting women to “give up their love life for literally no reason at all”, you don’t understand the 4B movement and haven’t been listening to feminists. There’s many reasons feminists give for 4B, including but not limited to: there’s really no “love life” to be had in the first place because men are misogynistic, you can never know what man will make you breakfast in bed vs which man will kill you in a fit of rage, you can never know for sure which men are laughing at their friend’s rape jokes or simply staying quiet, and men have spent thousands of years treating women like domestic servants and have not yet unlearned this so a truly equal heterosexual relationship free of this power dynamic is nearly impossible.

It’s not just “boys have cooties”. It’s “men are dangerous to women, and get even more dangerous when they’re romantically/sexually partnered with women. Women and girls should, as a class, refrain from putting themselves in dangerous relationships with them until they—men and boys—work together as a class to stop being a danger to women and girls”.

I agree with you though that feminists shouldn’t just shut het partnered women out, and should be welcoming women from all walks of life. However I do understand the frustration many feminists have with women who claim to support radical feminism but can’t grasp the basic concept of “yes all men” because their Jakey is special.

[dhakcjshkvjbd]

except “yes all men” isn’t actually a fact, it’s something you made up so you could call other women stupid when they say “my partner treats me well.”

separatists’ (or whatever y’all call yourselves) inability to contend with the existence of even a handful of males who make decent partners makes you look so silly and petty. why do so many of you need to be in denial about this and insist that other women are crazy or lying or brainwashed? why do you feel like your entire ideology would come crashing down if even 1 man doesn’t abuse his female partner? please be less ridiculous

also it’s dumb to train yourself to hate women who take calculated risks just because you imagine they think they’re better than you or something. no, taking a risk in your own life is not the same as calling other people stupid, and this belief of yours is causing you to have baseless bitterness toward other women and driving you to waste everyone’s time by harassing other feminists over their innocent personal choices.

[lemoncelloquartet]

actually, it is a fact that all men are socialized to be men. It's also a fact that this can't be reversed. But sure, get mad at the women warning you instead of the 1/4 men who are rapists, and the 100% of men who contribute to our oppression. it is all men

[radfemme-rage]

I’m not a lesbian, but there’s nothing more enraging and disrespectful than bisexual women claiming to be a lesbian.

It is okay to be bisexual. It is okay to be a female exclusive bisexual. It is okay to have a sizeable preference for dating women over men.

But none of these things make you a lesbian.

Even if you’ve had your radfem-aligned awakening and realised that men ain’t shit, so you’ll never date one again (after pro-actively dating them for years)… This does not make you a lesbian.

It’s just so slimy and gross for women to fake being a lesbian because that seems to be “the thing” to do these days, while proactively the same women will spew harmful lesbophobia (i.e. “trans lesbians are lesbians”) or centre men (don’t even get me started on heated rivalry).