the living stain

Trans men will pretend to support trans women and then say we shouldn't hate men because we're men and it hurts us too.

Reblogging one of your posts, since the original poster has blocked me (and whether thats because im advocating for transmascs or out of annoyance, ill let you decide.)

While i am deeply sorry you've experienced hatred within the queer community, i hope you can grow past that and change your perspective - queer infighting is often the minority, you will find alot are much more inclusive and accepting of all backgrounds and identities. After all, we are all on the same side in the fight against bigotry.

That said, having been through some of your posts, i can somewhat assume you hold a grudge against cis men and trans mascs. The words following are a response to this post of yours:

Do you seriously think transmascs are excluded from hatecrime? There are absolutely countless victims and reports, granted they often doesnt see as much media traction as transfems do, but that does NOT mean it doesn't happen - we ALL get targetted and have DIED by the hands of bigots. You are overlooking half of the trans community, and saying we 'dont get exterminated' is incredibly self absorbed, we are ALL victims, you pushing away your own trans siblings is NOT helping you.

Here are some reports, since you likely arent going to take in my words;

• Sam Nordquist, 24, tortured and killed. "No human being should have to endure what Sam endured," "by far the worst" homicide investigation his office had undertaken."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c391grm0g3no

• Ebeng Mayor, 21, another transman, raped and murdered.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/05/22/ebeng-mayor-trans-man-philippines-mutilation-rape-murder-hate-crime/

• Nex benedict, 16, a nonbinary person who was hatecrimed and died the days following.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405972

These are all heartbreaking stories, as trans people we all suffer, no matter where on the gender spectrum you lay. Please keep in mind that these are the *reported* crimes that are more surface-level on the internet, there are thousands more, and that grows every day. Please educate yourself and stop rejecting your trans siblings, we are in the same fight. Im not going to reblog you anymore on my account as this is flooding my page, however im happy to take this discussion to DMs if you'd like to continue. I hope this can make you think and reconsider your overall view.

hey so did you like not even fucking read her post? she said trans men aren't oppressed for being men, they are oppressed for being trans. this is a true statement. nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targeted. she simply correctly pointed out that trans women face transmisogyny and are often the face of the majority of anti-trans propaganda. transphobia is real. misogyny is real. misandry is not real. transmisogyny is real. transmisandry is not.

she literally just said "hey trans women are oppressed" and your first instinct is to accuse her of saying that trans men dont face transphobia? this is why we can't have a conversation because you misogynistic assholes can't see a trans women talking about the transmisogyny they face without needing to say "uhm but what about trans men!". THIS CONVERSATION ISN'T ABOUT YOU!!!!

'Nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targetted'

"Even if we talk about transgender people specifically, the bigots are always trying to exterminate the women, not the men."

Did you read her post? This is the point i was arguing against. My argument is that ALL trans people suffer, and ignoring the rest of the community is both reductive and harmful.

it's always such a fucking crime to point out that some members of a minority is more oppressed than others.

what you're doing is basically the same as saying "but what about white people?" under a post pointing out that trans people of color are more oppressed and face more violence than white trans people.

yes, we all face discrimination, but pretending like we all face the exact same issues is ignorant, harmful and fucking stupid. some trans people face more oppression/discrimination/violence than others.

??? My argument isnt who suffers MORE, my argument is that ALL TRANS PEOPLE SUFFER. Not just trans women. Please read > "Even if we talk about transgender people specifically, the bigots are always trying to exterminate the women, not the men." And the original post was about men being discriminated against, including trans men, and queer men. So no, your analogy 'but what about trans men?' makes no sense as trans men ARE directly involved, i really dont understand what point you're trying to make, you aren't helping this discussion.

Trans men will pretend to support trans women and then say we shouldn't hate men because we're men and it hurts us too.

Reblogging one of your posts, since the original poster has blocked me (and whether thats because im advocating for transmascs or out of annoyance, ill let you decide.)

While i am deeply sorry you've experienced hatred within the queer community, i hope you can grow past that and change your perspective - queer infighting is often the minority, you will find alot are much more inclusive and accepting of all backgrounds and identities. After all, we are all on the same side in the fight against bigotry.

That said, having been through some of your posts, i can somewhat assume you hold a grudge against cis men and trans mascs. The words following are a response to this post of yours:

Do you seriously think transmascs are excluded from hatecrime? There are absolutely countless victims and reports, granted they often doesnt see as much media traction as transfems do, but that does NOT mean it doesn't happen - we ALL get targetted and have DIED by the hands of bigots. You are overlooking half of the trans community, and saying we 'dont get exterminated' is incredibly self absorbed, we are ALL victims, you pushing away your own trans siblings is NOT helping you.

Here are some reports, since you likely arent going to take in my words;

• Sam Nordquist, 24, tortured and killed. "No human being should have to endure what Sam endured," "by far the worst" homicide investigation his office had undertaken."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c391grm0g3no

• Ebeng Mayor, 21, another transman, raped and murdered.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/05/22/ebeng-mayor-trans-man-philippines-mutilation-rape-murder-hate-crime/

• Nex benedict, 16, a nonbinary person who was hatecrimed and died the days following.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405972

These are all heartbreaking stories, as trans people we all suffer, no matter where on the gender spectrum you lay. Please keep in mind that these are the *reported* crimes that are more surface-level on the internet, there are thousands more, and that grows every day. Please educate yourself and stop rejecting your trans siblings, we are in the same fight. Im not going to reblog you anymore on my account as this is flooding my page, however im happy to take this discussion to DMs if you'd like to continue. I hope this can make you think and reconsider your overall view.

hey so did you like not even fucking read her post? she said trans men aren't oppressed for being men, they are oppressed for being trans. this is a true statement. nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targeted. she simply correctly pointed out that trans women face transmisogyny and are often the face of the majority of anti-trans propaganda. transphobia is real. misogyny is real. misandry is not real. transmisogyny is real. transmisandry is not.

she literally just said "hey trans women are oppressed" and your first instinct is to accuse her of saying that trans men dont face transphobia? this is why we can't have a conversation because you misogynistic assholes can't see a trans women talking about the transmisogyny they face without needing to say "uhm but what about trans men!". THIS CONVERSATION ISN'T ABOUT YOU!!!!

'Nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targetted'

"Even if we talk about transgender people specifically, the bigots are always trying to exterminate the women, not the men."

Did you read her post? This is the point i was arguing against. My argument is that ALL trans people suffer, and ignoring the rest of the community is both reductive and harmful.

Not gonna lie, for someone arguing half of the community (kinda funny how half is trans women the other half is apparently trans men and non-binary people) shouldn't be ignored, you seem hyper focused on why trans women are focusing on ourselves and not you when I almost never see anyone but trans women talking about trans women.

Seriously wtf point are you making? 'Almost never see anyone but trans women talking about trans women' Wtf do you mean? All you have been talking about is YOUR experiences in the circles YOU have been in. About the hateful transmascs YOU have encountered. You aren't looking at the entire picture at all. You constantly have a 'kill all men' ideology, so sorry for being a bit pressed when that HARMS QUEER PEOPLE. Do you even hear yourself? Im advocating against your stupidly radical beliefs, your 'erase all men' ideology is silencing so many queer stories and you dont seem to be moving on that.

Furthermore, you backtrack. On my post i was critiquing the fact you said; "Even if we talk about transgender people specifically, the bigots are always trying to exterminate the women, not the men." And then you go on to say that you *do* read about the hatecrimes transmascs face? Then why the hell did you say that trans men dont get exterminated?

As for you saying im 'half and halfing' the community, i have been using the terms 'transmasc' and 'transfemme' as either terms can apply to nonbinary people. The human population is ~50/50 split so its not a stretch to say the trans community is 50/50 transfemme/masc. I will admit it is flawed as it does not account for androgynous people / people who dont align with either category, but the point you're making is splitting hairs. You aren't reading my terms correctly, and then insinuating im against trans women. Some of my closest friends and ex partners are transfemme, stop trying to make this out to be a 'trans man vs trans woman' argument. Because it isnt. Im arguing against the fact you blindly hate all men, and your harmful claims that you backtrack on. Your rhetoric harms the queer community that you align yourself with.

Trans men will pretend to support trans women and then say we shouldn't hate men because we're men and it hurts us too.

Reblogging one of your posts, since the original poster has blocked me (and whether thats because im advocating for transmascs or out of annoyance, ill let you decide.)

While i am deeply sorry you've experienced hatred within the queer community, i hope you can grow past that and change your perspective - queer infighting is often the minority, you will find alot are much more inclusive and accepting of all backgrounds and identities. After all, we are all on the same side in the fight against bigotry.

That said, having been through some of your posts, i can somewhat assume you hold a grudge against cis men and trans mascs. The words following are a response to this post of yours:

Do you seriously think transmascs are excluded from hatecrime? There are absolutely countless victims and reports, granted they often doesnt see as much media traction as transfems do, but that does NOT mean it doesn't happen - we ALL get targetted and have DIED by the hands of bigots. You are overlooking half of the trans community, and saying we 'dont get exterminated' is incredibly self absorbed, we are ALL victims, you pushing away your own trans siblings is NOT helping you.

Here are some reports, since you likely arent going to take in my words;

• Sam Nordquist, 24, tortured and killed. "No human being should have to endure what Sam endured," "by far the worst" homicide investigation his office had undertaken."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c391grm0g3no

• Ebeng Mayor, 21, another transman, raped and murdered.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/05/22/ebeng-mayor-trans-man-philippines-mutilation-rape-murder-hate-crime/

• Nex benedict, 16, a nonbinary person who was hatecrimed and died the days following.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405972

These are all heartbreaking stories, as trans people we all suffer, no matter where on the gender spectrum you lay. Please keep in mind that these are the *reported* crimes that are more surface-level on the internet, there are thousands more, and that grows every day. Please educate yourself and stop rejecting your trans siblings, we are in the same fight. Im not going to reblog you anymore on my account as this is flooding my page, however im happy to take this discussion to DMs if you'd like to continue. I hope this can make you think and reconsider your overall view.

hey so did you like not even fucking read her post? she said trans men aren't oppressed for being men, they are oppressed for being trans. this is a true statement. nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targeted. she simply correctly pointed out that trans women face transmisogyny and are often the face of the majority of anti-trans propaganda. transphobia is real. misogyny is real. misandry is not real. transmisogyny is real. transmisandry is not.

she literally just said "hey trans women are oppressed" and your first instinct is to accuse her of saying that trans men dont face transphobia? this is why we can't have a conversation because you misogynistic assholes can't see a trans women talking about the transmisogyny they face without needing to say "uhm but what about trans men!". THIS CONVERSATION ISN'T ABOUT YOU!!!!

'Nowhere did she say that trans men aren't oppressed and targetted'

"Even if we talk about transgender people specifically, the bigots are always trying to exterminate the women, not the men."

Did you read her post? This is the point i was arguing against. My argument is that ALL trans people suffer, and ignoring the rest of the community is both reductive and harmful.

Trans men will pretend to support trans women and then say we shouldn't hate men because we're men and it hurts us too.

#cw transphobia #transgender #transphobia #cw hate crime #apologies if this is tagged wrong notify me if there are any changes i can make

Reblogging one of your posts, since the original poster has blocked me (and whether thats because im advocating for transmascs or out of annoyance, ill let you decide.)

While i am deeply sorry you've experienced hatred within the queer community, i hope you can grow past that and change your perspective - queer infighting is often the minority, you will find alot are much more inclusive and accepting of all backgrounds and identities. After all, we are all on the same side in the fight against bigotry.

That said, having been through some of your posts, i can somewhat assume you hold a grudge against cis men and trans mascs. The words following are a response to this post of yours:

Do you seriously think transmascs are excluded from hatecrime? There are absolutely countless victims and reports, granted they often doesnt see as much media traction as transfems do, but that does NOT mean it doesn't happen - we ALL get targetted and have DIED by the hands of bigots. You are overlooking half of the trans community, and saying we 'dont get exterminated' is incredibly self absorbed, we are ALL victims, you pushing away your own trans siblings is NOT helping you.

Here are some reports, since you likely arent going to take in my words;

• Sam Nordquist, 24, tortured and killed. "No human being should have to endure what Sam endured," "by far the worst" homicide investigation his office had undertaken."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c391grm0g3no

• Ebeng Mayor, 21, another transman, raped and murdered.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/05/22/ebeng-mayor-trans-man-philippines-mutilation-rape-murder-hate-crime/

• Nex benedict, 16, a nonbinary person who was hatecrimed and died the days following.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405972

These are all heartbreaking stories, as trans people we all suffer, no matter where on the gender spectrum you lay. Please keep in mind that these are the *reported* crimes that are more surface-level on the internet, there are thousands more, and that grows every day. Please educate yourself and stop rejecting your trans siblings, we are in the same fight. Im not going to reblog you anymore on my account as this is flooding my page, however im happy to take this discussion to DMs if you'd like to continue. I hope this can make you think and reconsider your overall view.

soup-mother

Yeah well idk. I just find "he/him" pronouns pretty dehumanising¹ so I'm not really comfortable calling you that. I'm just gonna use she/her or it/its for you instead. Please respect my boundaries ok?

¹men aren't humans

Im hoping this is sarcasm bc this is just sexism. This is misgendering, blatant transphobia. You are undermining every trans masc, everyone who uses 'he' as a pronoun. How about you just call people what they *want* to be called and respect others? Instead of saying they are *inhuman*? You know, like how the american governments and countless others dehumanise queer identities.

You don't need to hope because it's obviously a joke. And even if it isn't, you can't be sexist to men.

You can be sexist to anyone, actually. Thats why we have terms like 'misogyny' and 'misandy.' And you completely avoided my point about how trans people who go by 'he' would feel. How about we flip this post, and say it was 'women arent humans.' Now, that just sounds straight out of medieval times. What you are saying is being incredibly reductive and regressive. While i understand hatred for men can be rooted in how women were/are treated, this is needless hatred and i really hope you can eventually grow and look past it. You are demeaning countless groups and identities, and as someone who is PART of the trans community, what you are saying is blatantly excluding so many people, may i remind you as trans people - WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE. Stop hating on your fellow people, you are simply starting to sound like how people did in the 1800s as they stripped women and queer people off their rights.

soup-mother

Yeah well idk. I just find "he/him" pronouns pretty dehumanising¹ so I'm not really comfortable calling you that. I'm just gonna use she/her or it/its for you instead. Please respect my boundaries ok?

¹men aren't humans