The Gamine Thing

Utter nonsense

[3840293843293-deactivated202211]

jane austen was a lesbian chad she never got married bc when she wasn’t writing she was banging women

[mirrorsformonsters]

torn between on one hand we as a society try to straight wash queer identities and on the other hand, we also refuse to admit that straight, smart intelligent women can’t find partners and die alone all the time because they know that 99.9% of straight men are fucking terrible. like imagine how motherfucking awesome and hot and funny you’d have to be to win over jane austen. dude just didn’t exist, man.

[obinopekenobi]

18th century Discourse: Women, especially young ones, are ruled by affect and lack critical thinking. Their minds are so soft and their sense of self so permeable that they identify with any fictional characters they come across, and must be shielded from sexual and morally ambiguous tales. The fictional stories they consume will effect the way they view the world (in particular their ideals of romantic relationships), which will effect the way they raise their offspring, which will in the long run poison the minds of our children and destroy our nation. We must socially regulate women’s tastes, making sure that all women are shamed into consuming only what we deem pure and morally didactic fiction.

Tumblr antis 2018: same

[alethiaii]

I see no lie in this.

[thefudge]

i see some folks in the comments claiming they don’t got a problem with anyone’s ship as long as some behaviors are not “romanticized”. i get that.

but that “romanticization” is still a consequence of purity culture. fans tend to woobify characters or dynamics because they have been taught and trained that they’re not allowed to interact with these things unless they first transform them into Wholesome digestible products. so for instance, some (i said some) thirsty hoes will turn kylo ren into this “cinnamon roll” and not acknowledge his shortcomings as a way to cope with the infallible discourse that you must only  enjoy Good Things. by turning him into a Romantic Good Guy, they think they solve the problem. they don’t, and i would argue that u gotta own your trash/dark ship by acknowledging its pitfalls and maintaining character depth - otherwise, you’re not rly enjoying that dark ship, but rather a falsified white-washed version of it that would promote not just abusive behaviors, but poor critical thinking (and just ummm bad taste? lol i’m a snob) 

What should be relearned is how to properly enjoy villains and ambiguous dynamics, without rendering them null and void. again, purity culture and Patriarchy encourage a kind of bourgeois morality that is difficult to attain and maintain, because we’re just dumb folks. we suck. we don’t always make the best of choices. so, in a skewered attempt to be faithful to empty ethical tenets, we shortchange our fictional characters and turn them into Good Guys, thus appearing to “excuse” all their negative traits. and that can give some fandoms a bad name. but the solution isn’t to shame them into submission. Telling someone “hey, your ship is abusive, so you shouldn’t ship it :)” doesn’t do a goddamn thing. Start with “the way you write/portray that ship simplifies the dynamic here” and you’ll get more results if you really wanna start a dialogue. 

ofc, there are some fools who don’t wanna have a dialogue, and they will tell you that you can actually make yourself stop liking a thing just because they said it. ignore those fools. and pray to god they don’t get into office. because  they’ll probably ban any kind of literature that doesn’t adhere to 100% organic granola aesthetics.

[periodgeese]

i think this is a pretty strong response to a bad OP unaware of (or deliberating ignoring) its shipdom’s tendency to engage in equally ridiculous purity politics, and  it’s a shame that in any case, I’ve had about two good conversations about Kylo-Rey with either antis or reylos. This is about purity culture but it’s also about the utter lack of critical engagement with character complexity and moral arcs from a literary or story perspective. This is about people unable to separate their fanon depictions of characters they like from canon. It’s about so many things. Even the meta about Star Wars meta ends up gross and simplistic.  

[linovsp]

You know what I love most about Rey? She is fucking brutal. 

I mean look at this aggression… I’m an older fan and I NEVER saw women presented like this when I was growing up, and I am so happy for all the little kids out there who get to have this

And in tfa it was this bit that got me shook

She just stalks towards him like the badass she is

Look at that face. I f**cking love it. I am so happy (and Daisy just kills it, what a star).

[mirrorsformonsters]

most days it’s just depressing as hell to go through the rey tag and see 99% of it devoted to her in ships but yes, this. this this this. growing up it was the “fighting fuckpuppets,” two-dimensional assassins, or terrified girls. the aggression and vulnerability alike are part of who she is and how she fights. And she is framed and shot the way guys in action movies usually are. 

the responses in these comments are delightful too. <333333

[mirrorsformonsters]

leia slapping poe was a great touch

In that exact moment you see that she’s partially responsible for his insubordination. the slap isn’t coming from a sadistic boss, but from a frustrated maternal figure.the two clearly crossed into a familiar surrogate parent-child relationship a long time ago, which is partially why he felt it was okay to disobey her in the first place (”god mom, i know what i’m doing!”), and gives a bit of context as to why he expects his relationship to holdo to start off on a similar footing. it showcases leia’s flaws and weaknesses as a leader as much as it doe poe’s, tbh

[furiousfinnstan]

oh never mind u are a trash human!

[furiousfinnstan]

@rebelspies exactly!!this shit is so fucked up!child abuse is child abuse!like wtf is this 

[carriefrances-deactivated201912]

op’s description is ‘utter nonsense’ for a reason

[mirrorsformonsters]

lol for fuck’s sake Im not arguing it wasn’t abusive, I’m saying it was good writing that illustrated their dynamic clearly. Also, Leia has literally strangled someone with her own hands and murdered people in cold blood. Poe had just caused the needless death of dozens of his inferiors who’d placed their trust in him, he got off easy tbh.

[furiousfinnstan]

Bad ending:Rian makes the last 2 movies horrible & reylo canon

True ending:Abrams returns and makes an ok-ish movie and probably finnrey canon

GOOD ending:Taika takes over and makes the gay space opera we deserve

[mirrorsformonsters]

The same Taika Waititi who excised all traces of Valkyrie’s explicit bisexuality from Thor: Ragnorak?

[mirrorsformonsters]

leia slapping poe was a great touch

In that exact moment you see that she’s partially responsible for his insubordination. the slap isn’t coming from a sadistic boss, but from a frustrated maternal figure.the two clearly crossed into a familiar surrogate parent-child relationship a long time ago, which is partially why he felt it was okay to disobey her in the first place (”god mom, i know what i’m doing!”), and gives a bit of context as to why he expects his relationship to holdo to start off on a similar footing. it showcases leia’s flaws and weaknesses as a leader as much as it doe poe’s, tbh

[starwarsfandomh8speopleofcolor]

Um. You do know that she was specifically created to die like Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. Whether the actress who would be Rose was Asian, White, Latino or Black, the older sister of that character was always going to kick the bucket.

1. That’s not the point it’s ridiculous to keep killing off characters of color. It’s a tired and racist practice and it needs to stop.

2. She didn’t have to die. At all. She could have been one of the pilots that survived. Why did she have to die? For Rose to be spurred forward? Rose didn’t need a push like that. She didn’t need to be crying to find Finn and taze him. She did not need to be mourning the loss of her sister.

mod v

[mirrorsformonsters]

woman of color here who advocates for everyone in star wars to die because that’s what’s happened to every star wars character in the past and a big reason as to why I love star wars more than marvel/dc movies. welcome to star wars, where all of your favs will perish or get badly maimed, probably in a slightly ridiculous way.

[m-in-a-moonrock]

Some highlights from  #starwarshatespoc created by @adamdriverretirebitch

[finndeservesbetter]

I see you losers trying to invalidate fans of color’s feelings over this shitshow of a movie and I just wanna say that no, redusing every character of color to comic relief just to make the white fascist group look even more powerful and competent by comparison is NOT good representation, and saying Finn, Poe, and Rose’s treatment in this movie was is literally the whitest thing I’ve heard all day.

[laurelhel]

Ppl really in these notes like “as a POC of color, the horrid violence and abuse these poc characters of color faced was necessary bc war :)” Y'all are racist and delusional. The characters of color in this film DISPROPORTIONATELY faced violence and not only that but the violence they dealt with was reduced to comedic relief. It’s dehumanizing having to sit in a theatre full of ppl laughing as this Black and Brown man get *repeatedly* slapped and tazed

[mirrorsformonsters]

What do you mean disproportionate like Rey gets tortured again and Luke and Holdo and Phasma literally die and Hux’s abuse by Snoke/Kylo is a punchline and the corpse of the big baddie becomes a visual gag. This is fuckin Star Wars, there is almost never a character who doesn’t experience pain and abuse and/or death.

[laurelhel]

Lmao but their deaths / violence they faced weren’t reduced to comedic relief. Who was laughing over Luke Holdo and Phasma’s passing? Or Rey being tortured?

[mirrorsformonsters]

Did you not read what I just said. YES THEY ARE TURNED INTO COMEDIC RELIEF. People in my audience laughed when Snoke made the lightsaber fly into Rey’s head. They went into hysterics every time Hux got owned by Snoke or Kylo. They also giggled at the visual of Snoke’s dead tongue hanging out of his dead head and the way it fell over when Hux came in. Like, his actual corpse is turned into a gag. I don’t recall a single instance of people laughing when Poe/Finn/Rose got hurt. Someone near me actually gasped when Leia slapped Poe.

[laurelhel]

Odmslsmf this is so funny

[mirrorsformonsters]

The never ending capacity of people on tumblr to sneer when they refuse to admit that they overgeneralized or made incorrect observations will never cease to amaze me

[laurelhel]

Lmaooooo who talks like this ???

[mirrorsformonsters]

^^^^^^

[m-in-a-moonrock]

Some highlights from  #starwarshatespoc created by @adamdriverretirebitch

[finndeservesbetter]

I see you losers trying to invalidate fans of color’s feelings over this shitshow of a movie and I just wanna say that no, redusing every character of color to comic relief just to make the white fascist group look even more powerful and competent by comparison is NOT good representation, and saying Finn, Poe, and Rose’s treatment in this movie was is literally the whitest thing I’ve heard all day.

[laurelhel]

Ppl really in these notes like “as a POC of color, the horrid violence and abuse these poc characters of color faced was necessary bc war :)” Y'all are racist and delusional. The characters of color in this film DISPROPORTIONATELY faced violence and not only that but the violence they dealt with was reduced to comedic relief. It’s dehumanizing having to sit in a theatre full of ppl laughing as this Black and Brown man get *repeatedly* slapped and tazed

[mirrorsformonsters]

What do you mean disproportionate like Rey gets tortured again and Luke and Holdo and Phasma literally die and Hux’s abuse by Snoke/Kylo is a punchline and the corpse of the big baddie becomes a visual gag. This is fuckin Star Wars, there is almost never a character who doesn’t experience pain and abuse and/or death.

[laurelhel]

Lmao but their deaths / violence they faced weren’t reduced to comedic relief. Who was laughing over Luke Holdo and Phasma’s passing? Or Rey being tortured?

[mirrorsformonsters]

Did you not read what I just said. YES THEY ARE TURNED INTO COMEDIC RELIEF. People in my audience laughed when Snoke made the lightsaber fly into Rey’s head. They went into hysterics every time Hux got owned by Snoke or Kylo. They also giggled at the visual of Snoke’s dead tongue hanging out of his dead head and the way it fell over when Hux came in. Like, his actual corpse is turned into a gag. I don’t recall a single instance of people laughing when Poe/Finn/Rose got hurt. Someone near me actually gasped when Leia slapped Poe.

[laurelhel]

Odmslsmf this is so funny

[mirrorsformonsters]

The never ending capacity of people on tumblr to sneer when they refuse to admit that they overgeneralized or made incorrect observations will never cease to amaze me

[blightthings0]

Saw the last jedi again with the fam on xmas eve. I’ve written like 500 words at this point about I was disappointed with its execution of interesting ideas and how a lot of it is a mess when it comes to tone, pacing, and editing

but you know what at the end of the day Daisy Ridley’s primal scream as she stares down Snoke’s Praetorian Guard is a transcendent moment in cinematic history and Adam Driver’s liquified eyes burning with fury and fragility and contempt are worth more than all the prequels put together, thanks

[giheelun]

Just saying when Rey looks at Finn with rose and smiles, she’s happy for him. She’s happy that he found someone he really cares for.

That’s what she wants…but the person she wants is someone she doesn’t even know she can save.

[mirrorsformonsters]

the only time she smiles in the whole movie is when she embraces finn. i’m not even a finnrey shipper but what are u guys smoking

[how-do-i-turn-this-thing-off]

Just pointing out that every time Hux disagrees with Ren there’s a fifty-fifty chance Ren will either Force choke him or introduce his face to the nearest wall.

Every time Rey disagrees with him- up to and including literally screaming insults in his face- he responds with patience and tolerates what she says until she calms down and he can agree or disagree with her and explain why.

If you think my son Kylo Ren would EVER RAISE A FINGER TO REY you need to actually watch these movies.  The only time she has ever been in any danger from him is in the context of war. 

[mirrorsformonsters]

“she’s safe from him except for when she’s in danger of dying at the hands of the forces he commands to specifically target her and her ilk” lol nice happens to every couple amirite 

[m-in-a-moonrock]

Some highlights from  #starwarshatespoc created by @adamdriverretirebitch

[finndeservesbetter]

I see you losers trying to invalidate fans of color’s feelings over this shitshow of a movie and I just wanna say that no, redusing every character of color to comic relief just to make the white fascist group look even more powerful and competent by comparison is NOT good representation, and saying Finn, Poe, and Rose’s treatment in this movie was is literally the whitest thing I’ve heard all day.

[laurelhel]

Ppl really in these notes like “as a POC of color, the horrid violence and abuse these poc characters of color faced was necessary bc war :)” Y'all are racist and delusional. The characters of color in this film DISPROPORTIONATELY faced violence and not only that but the violence they dealt with was reduced to comedic relief. It’s dehumanizing having to sit in a theatre full of ppl laughing as this Black and Brown man get *repeatedly* slapped and tazed

[mirrorsformonsters]

What do you mean disproportionate like Rey gets tortured again and Luke and Holdo and Phasma literally die and Hux’s abuse by Snoke/Kylo is a punchline and the corpse of the big baddie becomes a visual gag. This is fuckin Star Wars, there is almost never a character who doesn’t experience pain and abuse and/or death.

[laurelhel]

Lmao but their deaths / violence they faced weren’t reduced to comedic relief. Who was laughing over Luke Holdo and Phasma’s passing? Or Rey being tortured?

[mirrorsformonsters]

Did you not read what I just said. YES THEY ARE TURNED INTO COMEDIC RELIEF. People in my audience laughed when Snoke made the lightsaber fly into Rey’s head. They went into hysterics every time Hux got owned by Snoke or Kylo. They also giggled at the visual of Snoke’s dead tongue hanging out of his dead head and the way it fell over when Hux came in. Like, his actual corpse is turned into a gag. I don’t recall a single instance of people laughing when Poe/Finn/Rose got hurt. Someone near me actually gasped when Leia slapped Poe.

[kmtarchive-deactivated20201028]

people saying we should just shut up and like the movie because of the “poc representation”… that phrase means almost nothing to me anymore on its own, if i see Poc Characters of color being mistreated im gonna complain no matter how much screentime they get !

[mirrorsformonsters]

my thoughts as a woc:

1) This is Star Wars which means like….every character ends up getting rekt in some way. Physically, emotionally. Look at the OT3 alone. Leia was tortured, taken hostage, and shot. Luke loses his hand and is nearly fried to death. Han is tortured and put into a cryogenic freezing chamber. And it’s effective because it’s a universe where suffering is real and the stakes are high. It’s not a fucking Marvel movie where everyone bounces off from devastating injuries like a Loony Tunes character. I don’t want token POC characters who don’t get to experience suffering, death, mistreatment in a Star Wars movie. I want them to have real arcs and be real characters true to the nature of the story, which means they should be experiencing the same high-stakes drama like everyone else, with injuries and casualties and sacrifices, as well as the same high points—love, friendship, strength, triumph.

2) People yelling about their stories being inconsequential in this one should consider the fact that TLJ clearly paralleled Empire, which represents the lowest point of the trilogy for our protagonists, where everyone sustains incredible losses. Similarly, the connecting theme between all the good young pro tags in TLJ is failure. High off of the success of the events of TFA, they all pursue their goals with a kind of giddy confidence, sure that they’re going to be able to succeed like the legends of old. So as usual they set out to pull of the mission-with-odds-of-one-in-a-million and the less arduous task of convincing a Jedi legend to come back to save the world, pass on his wisdom, and convince an evil guy to join your side. No biggie! Every person fails at their mission, which resembles real life, and the only ones who “succeed” in any manner lose their lives in the process. This is the lowest point for all the characters. But this is where they also pick up wisdom and lessons of leadership and camaraderie. They all survive to fight another day, which is a victory in itself—another prevailing theme of the movie. They form stronger bonds and convictions. When they achieve victory in the next episode, it’ll be tempered with the loss and bittersweet lessons they’ve experienced, and that’s why it’s gonna be 1000x more emotional than any stupid fucking Marvel movie where no one gets hurt and no lessons are learned.

[coolgirl]

It’s so funny seeing people being like “god shut up its not rians fault you idealized a NON CANON version of the characters” like yes i guess but when even the actors themselves (mark, daisy and john) were surprised with the direction the movie/their characters took.. i think it’s not only stupid dumb tumblr babies being whiny..

[mirrorsformonsters]

“Surprised by twists” doesn’t have to translate to “so enraged that it didn’t turn out exactly how you expected that you encourage online harassment of individuals.” Like Mark Hamill was also blown away when he learned the Vader-Skywalker reveal, doesn’t mean he started a letter writing campaign against Lucasfilm

[m-in-a-moonrock]

Some highlights from  #starwarshatespoc created by @adamdriverretirebitch

[finndeservesbetter]

I see you losers trying to invalidate fans of color’s feelings over this shitshow of a movie and I just wanna say that no, redusing every character of color to comic relief just to make the white fascist group look even more powerful and competent by comparison is NOT good representation, and saying Finn, Poe, and Rose’s treatment in this movie was is literally the whitest thing I’ve heard all day.

[laurelhel]

Ppl really in these notes like “as a POC of color, the horrid violence and abuse these poc characters of color faced was necessary bc war :)” Y'all are racist and delusional. The characters of color in this film DISPROPORTIONATELY faced violence and not only that but the violence they dealt with was reduced to comedic relief. It’s dehumanizing having to sit in a theatre full of ppl laughing as this Black and Brown man get *repeatedly* slapped and tazed

[mirrorsformonsters]

What do you mean disproportionate like Rey gets tortured again and Luke and Holdo and Phasma literally die and Hux’s abuse by Snoke/Kylo is a punchline and the corpse of the big baddie becomes a visual gag. This is fuckin Star Wars, there is almost never a character who doesn’t experience pain and abuse and/or death.

[starwarsnonsense]

The Tangled Thread of Fate - The Beauty and the Tragedy of the Bond Between Kylo Ren and Rey

This post will contain extensive spoilers for The Last Jedi - consider yourself warned!

Before the release of The Last Jedi, very interesting language was being used to describe the connection between Rey and Kylo Ren. Rian Johnson called them “two halves of our protagonist”, and the Star Wars Databank described their “intertwined destinies” and mutual fascination. While the period prior to the film’s release saw fandom wars waged over the implications of these descriptions and what they meant for the characters going forward, The Last Jedi has finally given us some answers.

Keep reading

[mirrorsformonsters]

Way more compassionate and forgiving of Kylo than I feel, but this is such a smart and lucid and clear-eyed take on both Kylo’s and Rey’s personalities, how and why they fuck up, and how they understand/misunderstand their perception of each other. Spot on in Kylo acknowledging his father’s warning, and the subverted Snow White imagery.