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relearning how to draw with rogue & magneto
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I simply can't!!!!! I love this team!!!
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Folks....I can scarcely believe it but marvel is doubling down!!!!
Rogue: The savage land mini series by Tim Seely and Zulema Lavina out in January 2025!!!
I'd like to point out that Rogue's inability to touch people isn't just an angsty romance trope but also something that keeps her away from her friends and that also hinders her job as a hero and that makes it all the more heartbreaking. Reducing it to a romance trope really does a disservice to her character arc that, pre-Gambit, had been very focused on being a reliable friend and hero to redeem her past
This!!!!
And the problem is not solely with the fans that only associate her character with that. It’s the messaging people got through years and years of content. Since Gambit was thrown in the picture, both in comics and animations, 80% of her inability to touch has been focused on the romantic and sexual barriers. Not only that, but it has been glorified and put on ‘the ultimate hill to conquer’ for her character. There was a brief, absolutely refreshing, pause on that narrative through the Legacy run and up to the point where she got back to Gambit. And then her character reverted to same old story. 😔
I miss 80s Rogue so much! I miss seeing her explore and develop strong reports with other characters and with the reality of her powers outside a romantic context.
I miss the 80s Rogue, and the Mike Carey Rogue. Those were the Rogues I recognized. She was a strong, capable person who screwed up, and kept going.
X-Men Legacy: Rogue & Magneto
Rough to finish…
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Hello, thank you for your many essays dissecting Romy (I ship Rogue x Sunfire as opposed to the other big ship XD).
But I have one genuine question: how old was Rogue when she really actually began a romance with Magneto, and was there ever a retcon involved in the age-gap?
There was no retcon involving their age-gap as far as I know.
Rogue's exact age when her thing with Magneto began is not clearly stated. But we can make some guesses.
Rogue first states she is 18 in Uncanny X-Men 182 (June 1984). She had met and interacted with Magneto during her time in the X-Men, but there was no romance involved. The Romance began in Uncanny X-Men #274 (March 1991).
There is a 6-7 years age gap between these issues. 6 years, 9 months to be exact.
Now we can't be exactly sure but we can take reference from the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe", we can somewhat compress the years of publication into a ratio of years (ok I took this fully as a reference from somewhere else) [1]. I want to emphasize, this ratio is not strict because it isn't really implemented. However, the ratio does work when loosely inplemented, let's say. The consensus among the Marvel fans on this ratio is 4:1 (~4 yrs irl is ~1 year in 616).
In fact I even found another fan getting a bit more specific about it: "Specifically, it's from November of the first year until October of the fourth year." [2]
Now if we take this info and apply it to Rogue:
She had said she was 18 in June of 1984. Now if we assume 4:1 ratio happens from Nov of the 1st year till Oct of the 4th year, we can assume Rogue's been 18 since Nov 1983. And she'd be 18 until Oct 1986. From Nov 1986 till Oct 1989, she was 19. From Nov 1989 till Oct 1992, she was 20. So we can assume that she was 20 when she met both Magneto & Gambit.
From there on, I will be honest, I don't know if she banged Magneto in 616, during the 90s. Like in Savage Land, she never did, there was just attraction between the two. Afaik, they only banged in X-Men Legacy (2008-2012). If we implement the same rule of 4:1, Rogue would be in her mid-20s at the time, and as of now, she is in her mid-late 20s.
There hasn't been any retcon regarding the age-gap. For all that matters, it is probably getting larger as Erik was around during WWII and Rogue is technically an older zoomer. You may wonder why he looks the same, it is actually because Erik is near immortal, he is aging very slowly and his white hair was actually supposed to be due to his mutation (like Rogue's), not because of his age. He is supposed to look middle-aged for all that matters.
You are the knife I turn inside myself; that is love. That my dear is love. — Frank Kafka, letters to Milena
Day 3 Age of Apocalypse
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quick AoA doodle of rogue & magneto with baby charles 💛
Rogue and Magneto's relationship began with a "spark" after he assisted Rogue in her fight with the malignant psychic ghost of Carol Danvers, full of resentment towards Rogue for ruining her life, now made corporeal due to the Seige Perilous. Rogue returned the favor by helping Magneto fight against Zaladane who wished to control the Savage Land with brutal force.
Rogue found herself power neutralized and without her teammates in the Savage Land, but in the company of Magneto who retreated to the area after his tenure as the headmaster of the Xavier Institute ended in failure and his bond with his New Mutant students irreparably severed. The two grew close while on their quest to stop Zaladane, a closeness that threw them both for surprise but not entirely unwelcomed given their later interactions.Alas, the savage land romance did not last as Magneto made the decision to return to his former idealogy and methods of mutant supremacy during the Zaladane fight. Rogue tried her best to steer Magneto back to the side of "good" but the damage was done. Magneto and Rogue parted the Savage Land separately and as enemies once again.
However, their mutual feelings remained and eventually became common knowledge to the X-Men.
Rogue attempted to reach Magneto numerous times offering an olive branch and pleading for his return to the X-Men. While Magneto, his mind made up about his path, attempted to recruit Rogue to his side to no avail.
The relationship was famously part of Marvel's Age of Apocalypse publisher wide event featuring an alternative timeline. AoA, saw Rogue and Magneto as a happily married couple with an infant son, fighting together to rid the world of Apocalypse influence.
A return to the original timeline saw Rogue still interested in Magneto, this time believed to be turned into an amnesiac younger man named, Joseph. Rogue and Joseph enjoyed a sweet flirtation yet still unfulfilled romance. Joseph was later revealed to be a clone of the master of magnetism instead of the man himself.
The real Magneto eventually returned, fighting against the U.N. to provide him the sovereign nation of Genosha as a safehaven for mutants and the remaining humans who lived there. Joseph sacrificed his life to repair the damaged EM field around the earth, leaving Rogue heartbroken over the loss of her friend and almost lover.
However, this loss did not deter Rogue as she still hung onto hope that Magneto could be reasoned with and returned to the X-Men's side. While most of the X-Men were on an away mission to space, Rogue flew to Genosha to reconnect with Magneto. She found an ally with Pietro who also wanted to talk sense into his father. Unfortunately for both, Magneto was steadfast and did budge in his decision. As a final act, Magneto allowed himself to be kissed by Rogue to show her the pain within him, the demons he face, to dissuade her from her attempts to rekindle their romantic flame as his focus needed to be on rebuilding Genosha. Once again, Rogue and Magneto parted as enemies.
It wasn't until the creation of yet another sovereign mutant nation, this time by Cyclops, that Magneto rejoined the frey. At this point in history, the mutants were dwindled down to less than 500 due to a genocidal attack against them stemming from a failed and crumbling alternative reality. Cyclops sent an open call to all mutants who wanted to joined the small of Utopia, repurposed from Astroid M, Magneto's former base, floating near the border of San Francisco. Magneto joined the X-Men, saved beloved X-Man, Kitty Pryde, and was trusted enough to join missions. One such mission involved a reunion with Rogue. This time, Magneto was the one actively showing his interest in rekindling their former flame, while Rogue was hestitant to start something up with the man she onced tried so hard to reach.
Rogue eventually took on the role of mentor to many of Utopia's younger mutants to help them control their powers, as her own powers, recently under control for the first time since she was 13 years old, offered an unique perspective that would help the young mutants better understand themselves -- or so Cyclops pitched to her. Rogue continued in her role, often times reuniting with Magneto on missions. The constant run-ins with Magneto eventually led Rogue to soften her stance on the man she once chased across an ocean, but now rebuffs.
Another alternative reality emerged sweeping up everyone within Utopia into a new history, new identies, and a new mystery. The Age of X. Magneto would be known as The General, the leader of the last mutant stronghold. Defending mutants from the constant war with humans. Rogue was known as Legacy(colloquially as Reaper by the Utopians), the living last will & testament to mutantkind. Absorbing and maintaining the memories and life of fallen mutants so they may never be forgotten.
The General and Legacy were rumored to be lovers by the Utopians due to their closeness. It did appear that such rumors were true given the two's brief but personal and intimate interactions with each other. AoX was eventually revealed to be the powers of David Haller, Legion, running rampant due to another personality taking hold of him - the mysterious X. AoX, was no more and Utopia woke up from its fever dream. Most mutants opted to have their memories wiped to avoid the confusion of two lifetimes running in their minds. Rogue decided to keep Legacy alive within herself. As such she gained Legacy's mastery over their shared power as Legacy always had control; thus allowing her powers to grow and mature in a way that Rogue's could never.
The end of AoX saw the beginning of Rogue and Magnetos relationship in earnest. Inspired by Legacy's open feelings for The General and her unwillinginess to live her life in fear, Rogue opted to give Magneto a chance. Magneto, for his part, believed Rogue was still hesitant to be with him due to his past, so he attempted to, once again, dissuade her from a romance by offering up a brutal tale from his past, showing what kind of man he was and is. Magneto was later surprised when Rogue showed up in his room - not promising anything beyond a night together.
The relationship continued from there on, the two remained together even during the schism of Utopia which saw mutants split between Cyclops Utopia and Wolverine's desire to reopen the Salem school to give young mutants a different path in life. Rogue went with Wolverine, but stayed in a long distance romance with Magneto for awhile.
The relationship ended after Utopia was seiged by the Avengers and the Phoenix force split into 5 pieces controling different members of the X-Men (Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus, and Magik).
The Phoenix 5 were then conspired against by the Avengers and a handful of mutant defectors who decided the P5 should be in control of such power. Eventually this led to the P5 being driven insane, and the Phoenix controlled Cyclops murdering his father figure and mentor, Charles Xavier.
Once again, mutants were displaced from their homes with nowhere to go. Magneto wanted to start a new life with Rogue away from everything that transpired, but Rogue was not ready that committment. The two amicably ended their relationship after having an honest conversation about what they needed and wanted at that point in their lives.
A long history spanning the 90s (1991-1999) and part of the 10s. Rogueneto shared an eventful romance that shows the depth of compassion, respect, and understanding these two have of each other. A romance of two strong-minded and fragile-hearted individuals caught in an unsynchronized love affair that all started with a "spark."
I would like to add on a few key points to this:
Rogue was a young adult during the savage land arc. Marvel doesn't like to always give exact ages, but Rogue was roughly around 19-20 during the Outback-Seige Perilous- Savage land-Muir Island arcs. 20-21 for the first few years during the X-Men vol 1.
Rogue was never Magneto's student. Despite her age being set between the oldest of New Mutants (Sam, Dani, and Xuan) and the youngest of the 05 (Bobby), Rogue always considered part of the main x-men team due to her background and possibly her powerset. When Magneto took over the school, the leadership of the X-Men didn't truly belong to him solely, but between Scott and Storm. The x-men convened at the mansion but after a certain point they went to the Outback after everyone (including Magneto) thought they had died. Thus, Rogue was never a student nor an employee/mentee of Magneto in the same she was of Xavier. At most they were co-workers.
Magneto never actively pursued Rogue during and after the Savage Land. The first Rogueneto moment was a surprise to both as they stayed and fought together for an undetermined amount of weeks. Once Marvelgneto decided he needed to be the antagonist again, all attempts at a romantic path was brought on by Rogue.
4. The Age of Apocalypse was not considered and made into an AU until a couple years after the fact. The AoA story was considered part of 616 much like Days of Futures Past.
5. During X-Men Legacy and their relationship, Rogue was making the decisions about their relationship and Magneto followed along. The decision to ignore, start, and stop their romantic relationship was all based on Rogue's PoV and her final say.
6. There was no romantic triangle during the Xmen Legacy run as both Rogue and Magneto were single when they started working together and eventually dating.
7. Magneto never proposed marriage to Rogue. He did, however, ask her to join him away from the X-Men, the Avengers, and the aftermath of AvX.
Some days it’s still just them.
Apropos of nothing, but it's SUPER interesting that anything Roguneto or RoguePool related is considered dreamed up by Marvel's misogynistic, pervert male writers while the character is consistently being written as a superhero Trad wife in a mainline X-Men book that is currently running monthly.
No comments about how Rogue is being praised within the story's narrative for taking on "traditional" women's roles like mothering random orphans and being publicly sexualized for the benefit of another man she's in a relationship with for the sake of showing how "sexy" the couple is?
Nothing? Anyone…? Anyone…? Bueller…? Bueller...?
I dislike when someone tries to retroactively say there was a ship war regarding Rogueneto when it was nothing of the sort. What really happened is that some folks thought Rogueneto was cool and then they got harassed out of fandom spaces by shippers of Rogue's other relationship. The same thing happened to Roguepool, Rogan, and RoguexJohnny fans to a lesser extent. To say there was a war was to imply both sides were on equal footing and equally involved fighting, which again, was not true and still isn’t true.
What I remember happening, first hand, was not being able to discuss Xmen legacy new issues because even insinuating you liked Mike Carey was an offense against nature even if Magneto wasn't even in the new issue with Rogue. I remember not being able to go to Rogue centered websites or forum threads without someone going on a diatribe every 5 posts about how awful Rogueneto was, how awful and sexist their fans were, and Mike Carey was apparently a pervert that needed to be harassed and shit talked on every social media platform including his Facebook page that he still graciously left public for fans to interact with him. I remember when he was forced to make an account on CBR to make his one and only post defending himself from accusations on his person by shippers who called him a supporter of sexual abuse and grooming, an allegation against the comic and writer that they made up 1000%
I remember non-fans of Rogue and Rogueneto getting fed up with the allegations and shipping madness that whenever they did defend Rogueneto from outright lies they were accused of being shippers themselves as a way to invalidate their opinions and perspective as a third-party. I remember there was no war but an onslaught of crazed shipping ruining everyone's enjoyment.
To say there has ever been a shipping war with these characters is to actively erase the one sided harassment and shitty behavior that surrounded that period. Saying, "oh my friend was harassed by Rogueneto fans" is not going to fly tbh, because there was a handful of fans of the ship and I can safely say most of them did not give a fuck about harassing other shippers. They just wanted to ship in peace away from everyone else. If anything the non-shipper readers would be more aggressive than the Rogueneto shippers in fighting, so that needs to be taken up with them.
The fact that it's happening again with x-men 97 should tell you something. Playful jabs between friends is one thing but once again complete and utter meltdowns are happening because Rogueneto gets rare crumbs. I had to see with my own eyes that someone genuinely believed Marvel and the X-Men 97 writers were engaging in psychological warfare because their ship didn't happen in this one thing. The voice actors are put into tight spots because if they say or do anything to make it seem like they enjoy Rogueneto then they'll get harassed. People pulling up the fake groomer allegations from their shipping agenda textbook again to make Rogueneto look bad and guilt people out of liking it. Misogynistic and sexist comments are consistently thrown at Rogue for daring to be genuinely attracted/attached to another man.
There was/is no war in Ba Sing Se. Just a bunch of shipper crybaby nonsense and other comic fans exhausted by it.
You know what I'm trying to say…
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In Age of X, when Magneto says ‘there must be a shrine in some remote corner of your being. A place of sanctity.’, in that entire speech, and in that moment, that place for him is Legacy. It’s Anna.
Because he didn’t imprison her as his own laws would have asked for; he didn’t kill her in the rubble to secure his fortress. He sheltered her. He preserved that corner of himself. Legacy (her ways and the world seen through her eyes) represents that piece of humanity in him while the rest of his soul is a butcher’s shop. He wants to trust her judgement even if her actions are breaking his world apart. He chooses to put his faith in her at the cost of himself and at the cost of the world he fights to keep afloat because he trusts her to be the better part of him.
The story starts with Legacy reminding him of how long they have been fighting for, making him reflect on the meaning of their lives. And by the end of it he comes to terms with how tired he is of that struggle, of surviving just to wake up again and again to the same grey day. So when she exposes the cracks in his fortress he chooses to see the rays of light that are coming through.
Yes, I do love that story - it had so many details written with care and respect.